Hello Guys,
I need some help because I cant play BF4. Like King I don't want to spend to much money.
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU E2220 @ 2.40GHz (2 CPUs) 2.4GHz
4096MB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce GT240
Any suggestions are welcome!
Quote from: da_Ricci;378311Hello Guys,
I need some help because I cant play BF4. Like King I don't want to spend to much money.
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU E2220 @ 2.40GHz (2 CPUs) 2.4GHz
4096MB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce GT240
Any suggestions are welcome!
Sorry to say, your current gear is kinda out of date, and could use for some love, you got any kind of budget?
Agreed.
Firstly read King's thread:
http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?38979-Kings-setup-up-to-date
He has an E6300 cpu compared to your E2220. Then read this page:
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/174/Intel_Pentium_Dual-Core_E2220_vs_Intel_Pentium_Dual-Core_E6300.html
Basically everything that has been said to King applies to you (and more so). As Kreg says, you're going to need to set a budget for this as making minor changes to what you have whilst sticking with your current architecture will not really give you value for money, it will be more akin to throwing money down the drain. In my opinion you really need to consider a larger change to bring the system more up to date.
At best any cpu upgrade on your current system would only bring it up to being marginally faster than King's system.
A gpu upgrade is definitely needed. You can see how far behind a GT240 is from here:
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
You need to think about a wholesale upgrade of everything, sorry.
Yep, like TL said - everything we said to King in the other thread also applies to your PC.
Your CPU is going to need a big upgrade, and that's going to require a new motherboard with new RAM. The GPU is also a bit light for BF4, so you'll want to upgrade that too.
Oke, I have to spend some money but how many? If I want to buy a new one how much is it? And what is the best thing to do?
Not quite sure who is your best supplier in your Netherlands, but in terms of what you need I'd suggest you start with the BF4 specs issued by EA:
Minimum|Recommended
Windows Vista SP2 32-bit|Windows 8 64-bit
Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz(Athlon X2 2.9GHz)|Intel Quad-core (AMD six-core)
4GB RAM|8GB RAM
HD3870/GeForce 8800GT|HD7870/GeForce GTX680
512MB Graphics Memory|3GB Graphics Memory
I'd err towards the recommended side of things if at all possible. I'd also go Haswell, you can get previous generation hardware, but I see little point in locking yourself into already old technology if you are buying new now.
Personally I'd look at something like Intel Core i5-4670K combined 8GB RAM and an appropriate Socket 1150 motherboard, plus a graphics card. What card does the job for you will largely depend on the resolution you play at - what is it?
Quote from: TeaLeaf;378350I'd err towards the recommended side of things if at all possible.
I'd positively avoid going for the minimum end as it will become too slow very fast. Particularly the GPUs.
Quote from: suicidal_monkey;378355I'd positively avoid going for the minimum end as it will become too slow very fast. Particularly the GPUs.
That minimum card is certainly not going to play the game. 8800GT is the card I used to have and was showing its age around 5 years ago when I replaced it with a 4870 (and that has since been replaced). A computer capable of running BF4 with reasonable performance is likely to cost around £600, less if you can reuse stuff.
This is towards the low end of what I would budget. You can spend less than that, but savings may come back to haunt you due to a shorter playable lifetime. Similarly, anything extra you can afford to spend now on a better CPU or GPU, increases the longevity of the card. eg. buying a £150 now and another in a year and 1/2 costs more than a £250 card that lasts the full 3 years giving reasonable performance throughout.
Until you reach about £1500 you don't really hit the point of diminishing return on investment, so it's important to keep a budget in mind, and try and keep the performance level even throughout. It's no good buying AMD 290 graphics card and pairing it with an i3.
Ok here's my two pence worth,
Graphics card is almost always going to be the best upgrade but whacking a 780Ti in your current rig would mean the card was unable to operate to its full potential because it would be hugely bottle necked by your CPU
Without knowing your exact budget there's a few ways you could go:
• Motherboard Gigabyte H81M-DS2, £45.00
• Ram 8gb (2x4) Teamgroup elite black, 1600MHz DDR 3, £60.00
that's a good start for a budget gaming system, you could spend 10x that on a motherboard but I'm going to assume your not overclocking the living daylights out of it and this board will be fine for running at stock speeds.
Now, CPU, if you have the funds go for the I5, if not the G3220 is a solid CPU that wont hold back a modern card too much and can be easily upgraded later down the line.
• Intel G3220 Haswell, 3.0 GHz dual core £48.00
or
• Intel Core i5-4670K 3.40GHz quad core £186.00
And for graphics you can really spend a fortune but i would be thinking:
• KFA2 Geforce GTX 770 EX OC 2048MB, £255.00 will be enough to max the game out at 1080p, Ultra settings and maintain 50 + FPS (possibly 45+ with the G3220)
or
• VTX3D HD 7870 X-Edition 2048MB, £140.00 will give you 35+ FPS at 1080p on Ultra (possibly 30+ FPS from the G3220)
If you know how much you want to spend I can look into exact options for you.
So da_ricci now you know what to doo, buy a new system.
I have upgradet mine, i can play bf4.
It is not super but it will have to do for now.
Thanks for all the help btw.
There is an new shop in nijverdal ga and get some info there.
Raymond thinks they are good.
I was thinking to spend about â,¬700 = £600 would that do the job? I let you guys no what i do.
you got a prefered webshop?
if you dont need a power supply £590, if you do £655
overclockers
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"Quasar 240i" Intel Core i5 4670K @ 4.3GHz Overclocked Haswell Gaming PC Bundle (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=BU-162-OE)
its got 8 gig if ram as well
£409.99
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OcUK GeForce GTX 760 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-188-OK)[/TD]
£179.99
(http://www.overclockers.co.uk/pimg/CA-116-CS_60.jpg)
Corsair Builder Series CX 500w Modular '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply (CP-9020059-UK) (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-116-CS)[/TD]
£55.99
£55.99
£538.31[/TD]
inc vat
£655.5
It also depends on if you're comfortable doing a self-build, or if you want something pre-built.
Pre-built usually costs a little extra, so let us know what you need.
Pre built I think.
www.egcomputerspecialisten.nl (http://www.egcomputerspecialisten.nl)
had a quick look, not seeing much in your price range with a gfx card fitted, although my dutch is a little rusty so I could be wrong
Quick build
i suggest you build it yourself, you save a fair few bucks, and if you need help, im pretty sure some of the dutch guys are willing to help.
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i suggest you build it yourself, you save a fair few bucks, and if you need help, im pretty sure some of the dutch guys are willing to help.
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That system would certainly do the trick and matches your budget. You wouldn't struggle for performance unless you happen to have a very high resolution monitor. If your budget found itself a little larger (+£90) the next step up would be the i7 4770, but already you'll be able to run BF4 with this.
Quote from: T-Bag;378475That system would certainly do the trick and matches your budget. You wouldn't struggle for performance unless you happen to have a very high resolution monitor. If your budget found itself a little larger (+£90) the next step up would be the i7 4770, but already you'll be able to run BF4 with this.
I'd put the extra cash (if you've got it) into the GPU, I don't think games will benefit from the extra CPU grunt compared to going up a class in graphics cards.
It does depend on what you like to do with your PC though :)
So far I got these prices:
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Corsair 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600mHzUDIM price 74.78
Gigabyte GA-Z87-HD3 Price 92.88
Corsair GS600 Price 74.-
MSI Geforce GTX 760 Gaming Price 225
Intel i5-4670K Price 194.80
Total price = 661.46
Quote from: da_Ricci;378492Corsair 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600mHzUDIM price 74.78
Gigabyte GA-Z87-HD3 Price 92.88
Corsair GS600 Price 74.-
MSI Geforce GTX 760 Gaming Price 225
Intel i5-4670K Price 194.80
Total price = 661.46
good bits all of em, you should be able to get rocking in BF4 with bells and stuff
Quote from: Tutonic;378479I'd put the extra cash (if you've got it) into the GPU, I don't think games will benefit from the extra CPU grunt compared to going up a class in graphics cards.
It does depend on what you like to do with your PC though :)
It's more because you can keep your existing hardware and just put in an additional GPU to boost performance down the line. To replace your CPU you have to take the old one and throw it away. It means in my book a GPU upgrade is an easier and cheaper option than a CPU one, essentially, I'd rather be GPU limited than CPU limited. Plus a little extra CPU grunt is good for all round system performance which doesn't hurt.
Note: I only run games at 1680x1050 because I've got an old monitor, it's much harder to be GPU limited with that resolution.
Quote from: T-Bag;378510It's more because you can keep your existing hardware and just put in an additional GPU to boost performance down the line. To replace your CPU you have to take the old one and throw it away. It means in my book a GPU upgrade is an easier and cheaper option than a CPU one, essentially, I'd rather be GPU limited than CPU limited. Plus a little extra CPU grunt is good for all round system performance which doesn't hurt.
Note: I only run games at 1680x1050 because I've got an old monitor, it's much harder to be GPU limited with that resolution.
note there is also a number of downsides to sli/xfire. Hence not suggested.
and the benefits computing wise stepping up in CPU is negligible in most cases.
Corsair 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600mHzUDIM price 74.78
Gigabyte GA-Z87-HD3 Price 92.88
Corsair GS600 Price 74.-
MSI Geforce GTX 760 Gaming Price 225
Intel i5-4670K Price 194.80
Total price = 661.46
Are these prices ok? And do i need more parts then this?
Thanks for the help.
Quote from: kregoron;378512and the benefits computing wise stepping up in CPU is negligible in most cases.
Yep, but in this case it is significant as the current CPU is positively ancient.
Quote from: TeaLeaf;378516Yep, but in this case it is significant as the current CPU is positively ancient.
ofc compared to his current to 4670k, was merely commenting on the benefits moving from a 4670k to a 4770k, the performance gain does validate the extra costs when on a limited budget.
Gigabyte moederbord GA-Z87-HD3 LGA 1150 package
Intel Core i5 Processor 4670K @ 3.4GHz Quad Core LGA 1150 package
Kingston HyperX 1600 MHz UDIMM kit 2x4 GB
Gigabyte GeForce OC GTX 760 met 4 GB RAM met Windforce cooler @ 6008 MHz
Club3D 600 Watt voeding 85% Efficiency 220V AC
What do you guys think of this? Price â,¬733 incl. Tax
Is this any good?
Quote from: da_Ricci;378576Gigabyte moederbord GA-Z87-HD3 LGA 1150 package
Intel Core i5 Processor 4670K @ 3.4GHz Quad Core LGA 1150 package
Kingston HyperX 1600 MHz UDIMM kit 2x4 GB
Gigabyte GeForce OC GTX 760 met 4 GB RAM met Windforce cooler @ 6008 MHz
Club3D 600 Watt voeding 85% Efficiency 220V AC
What do you guys think of this? Price â,¬733 incl. Tax
Is this any good?
looks good, the windforce cooler on the graphics is a brilliant cooler, did a wonderful job on my old 7970. Memory looks good too, a bit more quality then what i posted, tho i aimed at lowest cost, but the extra bucks are well spent.
The PSU im unsure of, as by the looks of it, its manufactured @ channel well, which i tend to be a bit sceptical about. Tho it will probably do the job just fine.