Except in Arizona.
Yee gods, even a brainless idiot can figure out that a 9 yr old girl does NOT need to know how to shoot a fully automatic Uzi. :blink:
On the bright side, if the girl grows up and totally unhinges due to the horrendous experience her parents just gave her, she'll at least know where the auto catch is on the gun.
I despair at some parents. :frusty:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28948946
When we hit the gun range at Vegas they had a selection of guns ... I went for the counterstrike bundle and remember seeing the kids bundle advertised :doh:
americans =nuff said.
Did anyone see that documentary called 'kids with guns', they sell guns aimed at kids (i.e. pink assault rifles etc), it was somewhere in the states but can't remember (down south IIRC), shocking really how they still stand by the 'right to arms' act which would have more appropriate back then when it was written. Maybe I have just accustom to our way of living too much :confused:
Land of the Free, oh and they lock up more people per capita (well bar the Seychelles) and have the largest prison population in the world (way bigger than even China) :confused: ... indeed !
For balance, I have no problem with America and it's gun culture.
You're 30 times more likely to be killed with a gun in the US than the UK but the US population is only 5 times that of the UK. I can't imagine why!
Tragically stupid. I understand the need to teach your kids basic gun safety if there are weapons in the house, but teaching them to fire a fully automatic weapon?
I hope that little girl doesn't have any long-lasting trauma from this, but it's doubtful :(
Quote from: Jamin;387440For balance, I have no problem with America and it's gun culture.
I take a slightly different view: they can have their guns, but they ought to have some mandatory common sense to go along with them. As someone once said:
Quote from: United States Declaration of IndependenceWe hold these truths to be self-evident
Quote from: TeaLeaf;387443I take a slightly different view: they can have their guns, but they ought to have some mandatory common sense to go along with them.
They do, what happened in this situation was an accident. You could take your nine year old fishing and after showing them how to use a knife to gut a fish, they accidentally slip and stab you in the neck.
If Lee Rigby had been attacked in America, do you think the two muslims would have lived past the first stab? the best anyone could do in this country was to get their iphones out to film the attack and the long wait for the police to turn up.
I think comparing fishing with an Uzi is slightly stretching the analogy. If you'd said take a 9yr old fishing in a boat and then left them un-anchored at the top of Niagara Falls then I'd accept the argument, accidents happen.
Common sense should apply, what in 's name is sensible about giving a 9yr old girl an Uzi when you know that the recoil from even a single shot is enough to break it lose from their grip.
Do Americans (in general) have a different attitude to anything not american, sure. But that doesn't make it sensible to hand a 9 yr old girl an Uzi 9mm.
Quote from: Jamin;387456They do, what happened in this situation was an accident. You could take your nine year old fishing and after showing them how to use a knife to gut a fish, they accidentally slip and stab you in the neck.
If Lee Rigby had been attacked in America, do you think the two muslims would have lived past the first stab? the best anyone could do in this country was to get their iphones out to film the attack and the long wait for the police to turn up.
Handing a child a highly lethal firearm isn't an accident, but a very deliberate act of stupidity. While it proves Darwin right, it's very sad this little girl had to go through such trauma to find out guns are wrong.
You cannot compare going fishing to handing a small child an automatic machine pistol. Even so, if I went fishing with a nine year old girl, while I would let her catch the fish and with supervision, remove the hook - I would never expect a young child to gut the fish and certainly not hand them a knife they could do real damage to themselves with - that's just irresponsible. The premise that they could "slip" and stab someone in the neck is absurd and stretching credulity.
If the Lee Rigby incident had been in the USA, the two attackers would have had automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns (not just knives and a car) and killed tens or maybe even hundreds of people (not just one) before they were slaughtered by an equally gun-crazed police force.
My point wasn't that fishing is dangerous, but giving a weapon to a child could result in harm regardless of what country it is.
I agree, giving a nine year old an Uzi isn't something I would do or want to see. This won't be the first time a child has handled a gun and killed someone, but at least this accident has been put on youtube with the intent to show people what can go wrong. It's the only one up there so one 9 yr old + Uzi death in two hundred million people doesn't make it a crisis worth the fuss it's generated around the world.
What I don't agree with is taking the opportunity to dive in with a holier than thou criticism of American culture.
Quote from: ArithonUK;387459The premise that they could "slip" and stab someone in the neck is absurd and stretching credulity.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-182547/Woman-dies-freak-dishwasher-accident.html
The rest you posted was a hypothetical rant, please keep your cool, it isn't worth falling out over :)
So a knife is an every day tool that is a cutting implement and can also be used as a weapon.
A Gun is a weapon designed for the purpose of doing damage and needs to be treated as such.
This is very sad but I saw a lot of this with kids in the states when I was taking part in these type of experiences as an adult. I now feel pretty bad in taking part in these type of activities as its hypocritical for me to condemn the actions when its something I have done and actively parted with money to support these enterprises.
I feel the most for the child who should not have been allowed to fire the weapon as it was not suitable.
DZ
Guns for show, knives for a pro.
Being at the wrong end of both I can say knives are worse.
Regardless of whos at blame and which bandwagon to jump on I think DZ's last sentence that hits the nail on the head.