Dead Men Walking

Quote from: Justin Tolerable;388447Obviously this is privately owned, so it's very different to having an Idris owned by the org.  

This line struck me as something I'd love to know more about.   Many people are talking about ships owned by an org not by an individual, but how do you do this?    DMW would love to have org-owned ships, but we don't know how.   Does anyone know anything about his or is it still in the realms of the hypothetical and in reality the ship is currently owned by one person who hopes for future org functionality?

I think for me, the distinction is that an individual decides what to do with their own private ships.  They should keep an eye on the needs of the org, but it's still their own property.  An org one is run by whoever's in charge of the org and is always dedicated to org goals.

I remember CR saying there will be facilities for the Org to have its own assets.  Beyond that, I have no information!  When people buy org ships at the moment, I think it's just a case of a highly trusted admin starting a paypal account that everyone pays into.  Then the admin buys it and promises to donate it to the org as soon as it's allowed.  If it's never allowed, they treat it as an org resource in game anyway.  That's how I'd do it.

Quote from: Justin Tolerable;388451I remember CR saying there will be facilities for the Org to have its own assets.  Beyond that, I have no information!  When people buy org ships at the moment, I think it's just a case of a highly trusted admin starting a paypal account that everyone pays into.  Then the admin buys it and promises to donate it to the org as soon as it's allowed.  If it's never allowed, they treat it as an org resource in game anyway.  That's how I'd do it.

I remember the CR comment too.  

Would members be interested in contributing £/$/â,¬ to a dedicated DMW Fleet ship (ie owned by one player until such time as RSI enable mechanics for the org to hold the asset)?

Quote from: TeaLeaf;388456I remember the CR comment too.  

Would members be interested in contributing £/$/â,¬ to a dedicated DMW Fleet ship (ie owned by one player until such time as RSI enable mechanics for the org to hold the asset)?

I'd pop in a few quid, depending on the ship.  You can't get an Idris anymore, unless they do the sensible thing and put it up for sale again.  I can't think of any others that would make sense when we have so many already available to us.  I'd not touch the black market for the Idris, it's totally extortionate.

Gratuitous 890 Jump, anyone?

P.S. New thread for this?

Yep, I'll split it off into a poll.

I think most people would vote on a ship-by-ship basis.  i.e. you may get different results based on buying a Reclaimer over an 890 Jump or something.

Personally, it will depend on the ship and how much we'd need to contribute to buy it.  I wouldn't want to donate money only to find out we don't have enough to buy anything cool.

Perhaps it could be a long-term thing.  i.e. we chip in occasionally and we buy ships as and when we have enough?

Otherwise, it's probably better to earn them together in game as an org goal.

Yep, that's why I opted for the middle answer myself.  I'd be interested, but I'd want more info before doing anything.

At the moment I don't see anything (in terms of fleet 'balance') we need to centrally fund. Sure, the Org will benefit from a couple of Orions to help with revenue but I am definitely going to get one of those and hopefully someone else will jump on one too.

Personally, I think we can afford to wait 'till the in-game mechanics enables Org-owned assets.

Haven't voted yet. I have no problems with donating to a central fund . The way I see my personal assets at present are as an extension of organisation assets anyway. It's just that these ones that I have ownership /command of. I guess the description would be accurate if compared to a navy ship.

I guess for me this is because of what I want out of the game though. The team experience working with player crew etc.

Quote from: OldBloke;388466At the moment I don't see anything (in terms of fleet 'balance') we need to centrally fund. Sure, the Org will benefit from a couple of Orions to help with revenue but I am definitely going to get one of those and hopefully someone else will jump on one too.

Personally, I think we can afford to wait 'till the in-game mechanics enables Org-owned assets.

I think for me, I'd help centrally fund something I wouldn't have bought on my own.  I like the idea that I have some part ownership in something awesome that I couldn't have afforded otherwise.  It's different to borrowing a ship from someone else if I have a legitimate emotional and financial stake in it.

Quote from: OldBloke;388466Sure, the Org will benefit from a couple of Orions to help with revenue but I am definitely going to get one of those and hopefully someone else will jump on one too.

Personally, I think we can afford to wait 'till the in-game mechanics enables Org-owned assets.

'Woger that' to the Orion acquisition - and agreed with the org-owned mechanics.  I can fly one ship at a time, so I'm hoping to make my personal fleet as available as is needed within the community.

I really believe that more info is required from RSI.  dMw has never had any problem with members chipping in, at least none that I recall so it shouldn't be a biggie.

As far as org assets go, colour me negative but what risk are said assets under in case of infiltration/account hijack.  That would be my primary concern.

I voted no. Not because I'm against the idea, I think it's a very good one, but because I think/hope there will/may be options for doing this in game. In which case the currency required would be UEC's rather than pound notes. We shoudl wait and see what develops IMHO

Quote from: smilodon;388518I voted no. Not because I'm against the idea, I think it's a very good one, but because I think/hope there will/may be options for doing this in game. In which case the currency required would be UEC's rather than pound notes. We shoudl wait and see what develops IMHO

So you really voted YES then. There's little difference in investing time earning real money to spend on ships vs investing time in earning UEC to spend on ships .... just depends which nets you more in the long haul ;)

Fair point, although for me the game is about working to achieve something rather than just buying it. I get a much greater sense of achievement if I've earned something in game. Not a lot of logic but there you go 😀

Quote from: smilodon;388526Fair point, although for me the game is about working to achieve something rather than just buying it. I get a much greater sense of achievement if I've earned something in game. Not a lot of logic but there you go 😀

There's a lot of logic.  If earning the ships wasn't fun, everyone would start off with all the ships.  There is gameplay value there and it would be good for the org to have a few different goals.

Personally, I don't have loads of free time, so I'd rather start the game at the point where I feel I'd get the most fun.  So I have my own ships.

As I said, it would depend on the ship :)

I voted maybe, but as has been said I don't actually think we are missing anything we are going to be able to buy, an Idris would be the obvious thing, but doubt we'll see them again and I do think it may actually be more fun aiming to buy one in game, by then we will probably have a better idea what we can actually use it for, as well as CIG may have given us the tools to do it properly.

Agreed Andy, I think the consensus is building a typical distribution with the majority saying 'hold on until we know more'.   Sounds like something to park until we see what mechanisms are in place and whether we even need additional ships.  Certainly my expectations are that if we get the mechanisms then I am hoping to be able to set some of my ships to be available to others and I think others have a similar view too.

Quote from: TeaLeaf;388620I think others have a similar view too.

You're not wrong. As long as insurance is maintained all should be good :D

Quote from: TeaLeaf;388620Agreed Andy, I think the consensus is building a typical distribution with the majority saying 'hold on until we know more'.   Sounds like something to park until we see what mechanisms are in place and whether we even need additional ships.  Certainly my expectations are that if we get the mechanisms then I am hoping to be able to set some of my ships to be available to others and I think others have a similar view too.

Yep.  Not a lot of point in my ships gathering dust and a couple of them are better used by an org than an individual anyway.

I think we're concentrating too much on the pledge system of ownership. There are countless difficult situations that can come up if a group pledge to own an asset that is donated to a wider group.

How we as an Org could contribute to acquire (resources, Credits etc.), own and maintain a large ship so it always is in peak condition with active insurance and what more crew it fairly are the things I'm interested in. So if we're into crowd grinding/ contributing so the Org benefits quickly by getting a ship an individual would take months to acquire in game then that would be a good result. In Warframe we have labs that many players can add their resources to and accelerate the creation of new items. The build of the item is owned by the Org/ Clan and and until an individual wants to make their own personal version the means to create is in the hands of the clan in the Dojo.