https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Add-Ons/PAX-Australia-2944-Trophy
Help to fund the thing, get a limited time trophy.
Quote from: Gorion;390028https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Add-Ons/PAX-Australia-2944-Trophy
Help to fund the thing, get a limited time trophy.
Done my bit :D
I won't be getting one - seems like a money making scam to me.
Quote from: Twisted;390079I won't be getting one - seems like a money making scam to me.
To be fair to them, they have said that this is to help pay for the cost of the event. I think it says it on the purchase page int he item description.
QuoteTo help cover the cost of the event, we’ve created this trophy you can display in your hangar. It will be a great way to show how you’ve been active in the community!
Available for purchase through the event… and after that, they’re gone forever!
This is true, but why should I sub an event on the other side of the planet to where I'm located and have zero change of getting to?
To the people who do buy this item: is this a one off or will you sub other events dotted around the globe as well?
Well, I always buy whatever flair/trophy items available.
a) You're supporting - it's a bloody $5
b) You get a one off flair item in game
c) It's unique - there won't be any more
d) You can always sell it - gamescon 2943 trophies are listed for $70 on grey market.
It's a bone if contention selling rubbish like this to fund an event which is really an essential marketing opportunity and would have been attended and funded normally through pledge money. I'd prefer they don't word this item description "a great way to show you've been active in the community" and be honest and fund our beer 😆
I have to agree, it does smack of profiteering. They will create lots of interests being there and don't need to keep asking for more money. It's as disingenuous as Chris Roberts endlessly stating that they can only produce Ten for the Chairman, Jump Point etc through extra donations. They could pay for it from the interest they're earning on the last million they received. I can understand more money unlocking FPS planet content, more ships, better AI etc. But not a jolly down to Australia, hotels, bar bills, entertainment etc etc. If they want to sell 'real' branded stuff from the event then that's fine, sell me a mug, a t-shirt or an 'actually real strange looking lump of perspex'. But don't try to convince me that I have to buy a bit of digital code to allow them to attend.
I hope they're not sitting there thinking "Hey people are throwing money at us, let's find new ways to keep them doing so, regardless of the wonderful state of our bank balance". We're free to buy what we like of course, but I've paid enough money for now. Hopefully it's just an idiot in in Marketing having an off day. If not then it definitely takes the sheen off of 'Can do no wrong Mr. Roberts' and leaves a grubby taste in the mouth.
I'm not sure at all that it is profiteering, remember the purchase price is not forced on you. Do you want to support the game or its marketing during development? I do, I'm a subscriber. They didn't force me to become a subscriber, I chose to be one. Similar reasons as to why some people in dMw decide to become supporting members, they chose to support the common goal.
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Quote from: TeaLeaf;390115I'm not sure at all that it is profiteering, remember the purchase price is not forced on you. Do you want to support the game or its marketing during development? I do, I'm a subscriber. They didn't force me to become a subscriber, I chose to be one. Similar reasons as to why some people in dMw decide to become supporting members, they chose to support the common goal.
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I think what we're getting at is spend your dev time on the game, our pledges on making it better and marketing it and don't waste your time making pointless trophies and coming across ungrateful.
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I accept your point, but at the same time the very people backing the game have demanded these events and they have proved a useful way of generating huge publicity for the game which in turn makes it easier to fund the lofty goals. I see it as synergistic.
Well, I don't mind paying $5 for something limited in the game, and support it at the same time.
I look at it this way, it's the price of a cheap burger. Should I eat the burger, or buy the trophy?
I totally agree, they must be at this type of event, it will boost pledges and show to the backers in each show location that they matter. Just don't kid on with silly funding objects and imply if folks don't buy the thing they're not loyal contributors. Sad fact is they could put a turd on a virtual trophy and many would buy it. Maybe they should do an Elite Launch trophy in Star Citizen and see if it sells!
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Well, you can also buy one, then sell it on the grey market in a couple of months..
Lol now I see! I just haven't got the hang of this!
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Albert has nailed it. RSI can sell what they want and we're all free to buy what we want and fund the game to the level we want. I've spent about $100 and I'm not adding any more to that figure this side of launch. Others have spent much more which is their prerogative. I'd rather acquire things by working for them in game rather than sailing out with a small personal armada of cash bought ships. Such is the freedom we all have to fund, buy and play the game exactly how we wish. What I think is nonsense is the paragraph of frankly b*llsh*t text that accompanied the sale of the PAX Trophy. It insults my intelligence when a company that is earning millions of dollars a month asks for some cash to fund their trip to Oz. Just sell the trophy as a commemorative of the trip to OZ. It was an ill advised and stupid sales pitch. Back in the "Kickstarter" days it would float but not in the "More than half way to a hundred million dollars of funding and no signs of slowing down" days.
I hope they do the Amsterdam Game show, I'll enjoy everyone buying me a beer 😚
Seriously Smilo, I'm just sarcastic old grumpus placing my view between the practical pledgers and the seriously committed brainwashed, a group I am gradually becoming part of. It's fun to discuss the dynamics of the social experience and the game will be very high quality. I only have one concern now, how will this game stand up to the test of time visually considering they will take over a year more to get the PU out? Games will have moved on and they must keep realigning their quality levels with the player expectations the longer they take to Dev the game. With the funding they have they could turn this thing around in 6 more months. Elite have made a high quality product in a very short time and it is balanced against CPU and GPU power with the visual quality coming from innovation in their engine and amazing illustration. SC could release mid 2015 in PU mode if they decided to not exploit the crown funding wave which I can understand their persistence on that level.
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Quote from: albert;390226I hope they do the Amsterdam Game show, I'll enjoy everyone buying me a beer ������
And sleeping on your living room floor when we all travel over for the show :D
Quote from: smilodon;390223What I think is nonsense is the paragraph of frankly b*llsh*t that accompanied the sale of the PAX Trophy. It insults my intelligence when a company that is earning millions of dollars a month asks for some cash to fund their trip to Oz. Just sell the trophy as a commemorative OF the trip to OZ. It was an ill advised and stupid sales pitch. Back in the "Kickstarter" days it would float but not in the "More than half way to a Hundred million dollars of funding and no signs of slowing down" days.
Not sure I agree with that. Maybe I missed something and have misunderstood?
Backers pretty much demanded an event, there was massive pressure for it within the community (just check the forums). Should the developers spend the money that was given for game development on more jollies? Would the rest of the community be happy with their ship or the game being further delayed to allow an event in e.g. Cancun? Surely RSI has the right to offer something that says "if you choose to spend this $5 then it goes towards paying the cost of hosting the PAX Aus event"?
RSI and we as backers have a tightrope to walk together. We've put in vast sums of money, precisely because we share the vision. But, most backers want considerable amounts feedback on the progress of the development and input into the design process. That kind of feedback costs a lot of money and we share that cost, subscribers more so then others.
Personally I don't get annoyed at them identifying a specific cost and giving me the chance to pay it. I see it as worse for them to pay it from a fund that I thought was destined for my as yet unreleased Banu without telling me. The amount of money raised had no bearing on whether an offer to pay a specific cost is good or bad, but it might strike an emotional chord with some as there might be a perception of " they've had enough money, just get on with it and give me the game ".
The money raised is going to raise emotions at some point, but we need to remember that this is a path we travel together. We started it together, we'll finish it together. When we get to the ultimate destination nobody will be weighing your backpack to see how much any individual has carried on the journey, because all of us will be celebrating the fact that we got there.
I've chosen to back the game to the tune of more than $100, but I am still feeling I am getting great value from the game even though it has not yet launched! I thoroughly enjoy the progress updates and seeing things like the FPS this morning, we wouldn't have that enjoyment without these events.
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