Series 5 airs on Sky Atlantic on Monday 13th April 2015 (US viewers get it on HBO on Sunday 12th April).
Winter is coming, or gone, depending on your point of view.
Season 5 trailers are out now!
Here's the first one:
[video=youtube;wViILXQfX7Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wViILXQfX7Y[/video]
Anyone watched the leaked episodes? I've watched the first three so far, I'm gutted it's only going to be 10 episodes this season but looks like it'll be epic again.
Can understand the people getting the leaks. You've now watched them and have to wait 5 weeks for your next show, instead of waiting a week :D
Quote from: King85;397620Anyone watched the leaked episodes? I've watched the first three so far, I'm gutted it's only going to be 10 episodes this season but looks like it'll be epic again.
Yep, watched all four. Not bothered by the five week wait, waited a year right?
My thought process was that if I don't watch the leaks and then come across some spoilers from them before they're on TV I'd be annoyed so I just watched them.
Good episodes so far though. Shane there's only 10 episodes this season though but I guess quality is better than quantity.
Quote from: King85;397620Anyone watched the leaked episodes? I've watched the first three so far, I'm gutted it's only going to be 10 episodes this season but looks like it'll be epic again.
I hate to say this, but so far, with two episodes viewed (I'm watching them as they get released), I am distinctly underwhelmed.
Chunks of the books have been skipped over and the story lines are rapidly diverging from the books. So far the first two episodes felt like scene setting, which in an already short 10 episode series, feels like too much pre-amble and not enough interesting story.
I'm assuming that there must be something much more interesting in episode three, as I am not feeling the love for the first two. Previous episodes seemed a little more engaging. I'm guessing that the distinct lack of "OMG DID YOU SEE LAST NIGHT'S EPISODE" in this thread means that others in the community may have had a similar experience.
The book divergence is intended. They said they will be running out of book material as R.R isn't writing fast enough.
There's a youtube channel called Emergency Awesome, and the guy talks to the series creators, eplains plots and the like. The predictions for this seasons are mostly right upto the leaked material.
Yep, I knew they were diverging, but I'm feeling that nothing so far has happened and I've watched 20% of the series!
I have watched the first 4 and sadly I agree with you TL!
Maybe things pick up a little bit in 3 and 4... maybe... but so far nothing that has made me grip the edge of my seat :/
There's nothing substantial except for setting up the plot in all the leaked episodes. There are some minor altercations in episode 4.
By the looks of it, episode 5 will be good on multiple continents.
The most interesting stories at this point are John and Arya. The rest lack character although Tyrion is also one of my favourites, but as of now its a big meh.
Agree with the above. Especially John. Loving that arc. I guess the difficulty it we have come to expect so much from the show.. Even though it may be a little weak, it's still more interesting than most other options atm!!!
I think the producers are losing the plot (and me). I know they are writing their own way from here on out, but they are taking far too many liberties with the characters for me and often being 'out there' for no valid reason. For example, the Theon scene at the end of this week's episode: seriously? Off book, off piste and for what? Sorry folks, I have not been at all impressed with this series and am marking it 5/10 at the moment with a distinct danger of me not bothering too much about when I see the next episode. Previous series had be expectantly waiting for the next instalment, but I've not been on the edge of my seat at all this series.
I know it is practically heresy to criticise GoT, but it seems to have lost its mojo. :sad:
With you to a point mate lots of build but nothing big a coming as far as I can see. Won't give up yet but not the best season. It a very damp squip after season 4
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Quote from: TeaLeaf;399317I think the producers are losing the plot (and me). I know they are writing their own way from here on out, but they are taking far too many liberties with the characters for me and often being 'out there' for no valid reason. For example, the Theon scene at the end of this week's episode: seriously? Off book, off piste and for what? Sorry folks, I have not been at all impressed with this series and am marking it 5/10 at the moment with a distinct danger of me not bothering too much about when I see the next episode. Previous series had be expectantly waiting for the next instalment, but I've not been on the edge of my seat at all this series.
I know it is practically heresy to criticise GoT, but it seems to have lost its mojo. :sad:
Must say I agree with you as far as the last two episodes. Though the alley scene in episode 3 (?) was one of the more epic ones of the series. A lot of the events so far this season has felt like filler content. I really hope they can bring it back to the level of the previous seasons.
I was devasted to see Sanza the way she was at the end of the episode. I really didnt enjoy that scene and i dont think im enjoying the whole Winterfell stuff going on right now. Got to a point where i just want that to be over and done with.
Quote from: SxtyFour;399323I was devasted to see Sanza the way she was at the end of the episode. I really didnt enjoy that scene and i dont think im enjoying the whole Winterfell stuff going on right now. Got to a point where i just want that to be over and done with.
Quote from: TeaLeaf;399317and often being 'out there' for no valid reason. For example, the Theon scene at the end of this week's episode: seriously? Off book, off piste and for what?
Agreed SxtyFour, that was precisely the bit I was trying to refer to. It added nothing to the story line that we didn't already know. Did anyone not realise that Theon was a bit of a sick bloke? :blink:
They did it in an earlier series too with the rape of Cersei, which was perverse because in the books it was actually a lovers scene and the director's TV change added nothing to the story and actually made elements of the Cersei/Jamie story line less believable.
Quote from: TeaLeaf;399325Agreed SxtyFour, that was precisely the bit I was trying to refer to. It added nothing to the story line that we didn't already know. Did anyone not realise that Theon was a bit of a sick bloke? :blink:
They did it in an earlier series too with the rape of Cersei, which was perverse because in the books it was actually a lovers scene and the director's TV change added nothing to the story and actually made elements of the Cersei/Jamie story line less believable.
[SPOILER=Sanza]To have Sanza raped has ruined it. For 5 seasons shes avoided this and for it all to go down like it did was horrific. [/SPOILER]
I've added spoiler tags to that last comment. Some of us haven't seen the episode yet.
What is it with the GoT writers and rape scenes?
Entirely unnecessary.
Quote from: OldBloke;399333I've added spoiler tags to that last comment. Some of us haven't seen the episode yet.
Apologies Oldie (and anyone else who read it inadvertently), I brought the issue up and whilst I described it generically, I had not noted that the ongoing conversation had gone into specifics. My bad.
I haven't seen it yet but also saw the spoiler on Huffington Post.
Anyway, I think it actually pretty awful this season and can hardly bring myself to watch it. In fact I've just cancelled our Sky subscription as we never really watch the sky content or movies.
We're going to use Freesat and Netflix/Amazon Prime for content going forward.
Quote from: Penfold;399338... We're going to use Freesat and Netflix/Amazon Prime for content going forward.
With your connection? :blink:
It's just about OK so long as no one else is stealing the internetz at the same time.:rolleyes:
The deviation between books and TV have RRs blessing, as was mentioned in this thread previously.
[SPOILER=about TV]I think the problem going around isn't the deviation per se, but how the last episode ended, which is in my opinion setting up the next episode for some Theon & Sansa revenge on ramsay. RR said that every character is fair game, so cringing if Sansa gets some rough sex after marrying the guy competing with Joffrey for cruelty and bashing the show for it isn't fair. She's playing the thrones game, you lose, you gain, and its exactly the game shes playing right now. She knew what she was getting into before agreeing to marry the asswipe.
And lets face it, the show era doesn't have the moral standards of nowadays, and the setting is based in a husband is the king of the household. Thus calling the scene "rape" is off base, as it is not. Remember she was undressing, she was his wife, and she was in their bed chambers performing the bedding rite. Sure, he could have been gentler, but considering the character, what did you expect? Romanticism and rose baths?
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can someone explain how the spoiler tags work exactly? I tried the hook thing, it still displayed text.
The deviation doesnt really bother me as not read all the books, but really there must be more coming this season!
Overall there seems to be a lot less coming compared to earlier series.
Tyrion's arc is now the only one I am even remotely interested in. Agree that the ending of episode 6 was, at best, unnecessary. Going for shock value I guess :/
Quote from: Chaosphere;399345Tyrion's arc is now the only one I am even remotely interested in. Agree that the ending of episode 6 was, at best, unnecessary. Going for shock value I guess :/
Yep. Was it supposed to demonstrate what a monster he is?
We already knew that....
Just to point out that the first couple of sentences of each post are visible in the Recent Posts panel on the main forum page. Even relatively vague comments about GoT being very poor or good or this character being neglected etc are viewable by everyone visiting the forum not just people who choose to read this thread. The use of spoiler tags is much appreciated but, and while in danger of being a little pedantic, some of us would rather know nothing about the series until we view it for ourselves (whenever that may be :crying: ) Maybe sing a few lines of a song before you post serious comment...... or maybe quote Shakespeare....
Now is the winter of our discontent, made glorious summer by this son of York. And all the clouds that lowered upon our house....."
Cheers
In keeping with Smilo's request...
"And I will show you something different from either
Your shadow at morning striding behind you
Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you;
I will show you fear in a handful of dust."
Quote from: Tutonic;399346Yep. Was it supposed to demonstrate what a monster he is?
We already knew that....
[spoiler=GoT]And, I feel that Sanza slowly coming to realise what she has gotten herself into would have had more emotional impact than the very sudden realisation of one minute marriage, the next rape.[/spoiler]
Watched it last night.
[SPOILER=...]Was it really any worse than Daenerys' wedding night with Khal Drogo? It pretty much mirrored her experience. Perhaps it differs as one was more custom and one was done as spite. Well and the audience.[/SPOILER]
...that and the fact that she turned the situation into one in which she was on top (as they say). It was also a strong part of her story line, building her towards leadership. The discussed scene added nothing to the storyline imo, did not develop anything that we did not already know and was simply for shock value. Unnecessary imo.
It's not unnecessary, it's needed for the next episode which is hinted at during the next episode teaser.
[SPOILER=sansa]Basically, it should be a Theon vs Reek thing, as if you remember Theon noticed Sansa disobeying his masters orders, and he remembered his real name during the wedding. In addition during the room scene, he didn't want to be there even if he was ordered to, and had to be told twice or thrice to put his head up, plus that end scene were he was crying. Me thinks that ramsay might get some well deserved justice, or some sort of result with Theon reverting somewhat to his former self.[/SPOILER]
[SPOILER=Winterfell]With the army approaching from the north (wall) Do you think that the family are going to end up being murdered in war?[/SPOILER]
But did we not already have that suspicion before that scene? Clearly if the scene becomes part of an important storyline then I will be wrong.
Quote from: SxtyFour;399369Unable to add spoiler tags so deleting post.
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Quote from: TeaLeaf;399370But did we not already have that suspicion before that scene? Clearly if the scene becomes part of an important storyline then I will be wrong.
I think the scene is a sort of catalyst, nudging certain characters into a determined direction.
[SPOILER=GoT]As in, Theon going ballistic and somehow killing ramsay during the Winterfall siege. Plus there's the candle in the window, which should be linked with wintertown and Brienne[/SPOILER]
[SPOILER=Highgarden]Also expecting major backlash from the queen of thorns, and we might face her, or Cersei dying.[/SPOILER]
Have a look at youtube channel called Emergency Awesome.
I started reading the book again, then had to check I was reading the right book. What amazes me is that they make so few episodes. Compare GoT to series like Arrow, The Flash, Person of Interest, all of which manage 23 episodes, then look at how much of the story gets left out of Game Of Thrones.
Best way I've found is to just see it as another story. I guess its one way to ensure continued book sales lol
Quote from: Chaosphere;399345Tyrion's arc is now the only one I am even remotely interested in. ...../
As the man himself says, he's still going strong......
[video=youtube;tGLkIyZSCR8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGLkIyZSCR8[/video]
Just brilliant.
Him and Jon Snow are the most interesting characters of the show imo.
Take a look at this bit here, next episode will be brilliant.
[SPOILER=GoT][video=youtube;yh8sRF6C4c0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh8sRF6C4c0[/video][/SPOILER]
[SPOILER=GoT]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Mi17nLflY[/SPOILER]
Well Monday's episode seemed better to me and certainly set the scene for some slightly more exciting storylines coming to fruition.
[spoiler=spoiler]The Cersei situation was unassumed but got potential and amusing and Tyrian meets Denaerys finally. Theon's still a being a knob (without a knob) though :sideways:[/spoiler]
Latest episode is bad ass as bad ass can be.
Going to be hard to top this one next week.
Well that was more like it!! :)
I've been sceptical up to this point, but it's pretty clear now that the TV show has surpassed the rather dodgy writing in the later books.
What they're doing with the story is leaner, meaner and utterly gripping. Great stuff :)
I agree that episode was much much better but to waste 7 odd hours of build up to that. Last season was filled better.
Looking forward to the last 2 but it has been the weakest season for me so far
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I'm with you Toby.
I didn't find it that enthralling. better but nothing compared to previous seasons.
So who caught the cameo of last nights episode? ;)
I must agree with most of you here though. So far this season has been two and a half, maybe three, good fight/battle scenes. The rest just feels like filler content and a really slow build up. The previous seasons were a lot more exciting.
QuoteSo who caught the cameo of last nights episode? ;)
Yep :)
Brent hardly needs a costume....[/COLOR]
Yes Yes Yes!
That is all.
[And mastodon, sure why not :D]
[SPOILER=GoT]Well, what was being hinted at happened, too bad I think it will be for naught as I don't see Stannis being Azor Ahai. Explosive scene in the end 20 mins or so.[/SPOILER]
[SPOILER=GoT]I'm wondering why people reacted so loudly to the wedding night scene, but no one even cares when a little girl got burnt alive.
The battle at the end of the episode was pretty epic though :) [/SPOILER]
Quote from: Vargen;400065[SPOILER=GoT]I'm wondering why people reacted so loudly to the wedding night scene, but no one even cares when a little girl got burnt alive.
The battle at the end of the episode was pretty epic though :) [/SPOILER]
Without doubt that was highly uncomfortable to watch, but it was also part of the storyline so expected/needed/predictable (use your own preferred word). It was key to the story, unlike the previously debated episode where the scene added nothing that we did not already know - and it repeated an earlier tendency of the show's producers to throw in additional (Jamie/Cersei) scenes to no end, which I think is why people are more sensitive to it.
My questioning of it was more from the "why was the scene needed" end of the spectrum, to me it smacked of being in there for pure shock value only. Much like the Jamie/Cersei scene. Neither were key to the storyline (in fact, given that they were at that point still mostly following the books, the Jamie/Cersei one was so far off it as to be laughable) and neither added much if anything to the series other than the shock value. Last night's scene was 'nasty' but it was at least part of the story being told, and a somewhat critical one at that.
That would be my guess as to why nobody has commented on it. :2cents:
It didn't add anything, but it wasn't like it was a complete stretch of the characters involved. What surprised me the most about it was that people reacted so strongly to it. Not the scene itself. But then I have learnt that GoT are trying to shock their audience and push the limits of their viewers.
Quote from: Vargen;400074But then I have learnt that GoT are trying to shock their audience and push the limits of their viewers.
I think that's the quality of the story that's meant to do that, not the special effects! :P
Quote from: TeaLeaf;400079I think that's the quality of the story that's meant to do that, not the special effects! :P
The story is very good though, and my only real complaint is the pace of the current season. I guess I will have to read the books when they are finished, to see how the story was supposed to go though.
The books at this point are even slower, although the story goes off in a very different direction...
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If you haven't watched the final episode of season 5 yet ... gird your loins :blink:
[SPOILER=GoT]The end scene was expected. He should be resurrected, either by Mel, or some other means..
Reek finally manned up, and stannis was expected as he is not azor ahai. Mel only sees snow (Jon?) when she asks Rhollor for guidance.
Dragon queen will probably gain a new army, and possibly a new husband..[/SPOILER]
Quote from: OldBloke;400229If you haven't watched the final episode of season 5 yet ... gird your loins :blink:
Just watched it. Crikey.
Yo dawg, I heard you like cliff hangers?
Quote from: Gorion;400230[SPOILER=GoT]The end scene was expected. He should be resurrected, either by Mel, or some other means..
Reek finally manned up, and stannis was expected as he is not azor ahai. Mel only sees snow (Jon?) when she asks Rhollor for guidance.
Dragon queen will probably gain a new army, and possibly a new husband..[/SPOILER]
[SPOILER=GoT]When they closed up on Jon's face at the end, I was just waiting for his eyes to turn blue. There were no big surprises though, other than maybe Arya going blind. That I ironically did not see coming :p[/spoiler]
Quote from: Vargen;400256[SPOILER=GoT]When they closed up on Jon's face at the end, I was just waiting for his eyes to turn blue. There were no big surprises though, other than maybe Arya going blind. That I ironically did not see coming :p[/SPOILER]
[SPOILER=GoT]I was expecting him to warg into ghost...[/SPOILER]
Quote from: Gorion;400257[SPOILER=GoT]I was expecting him to warg into ghost...[/SPOILER]
Well, we don't know if that happend or not yet ;)
Well, at least we all got to see Cersei in the buff.
Quote from: Tutonic;400332Well, at least we all got to see Cersei in the buff.
Well, that's not Cersei..
She has a no nudity clause in her contract; that's a stand-in.
*swooooosh*
Anyway, the scene is far better in the books where you can read her internal monologue as she walks. The pride of a lioness, and all that.
I do wonder if the constant, crushing darkness will start to put people off. At least there's some seriously awesome slam dunk characters from the books to introduce next season - I hope they get the casting right!
[SPOILER=GoT]Stoneheart perhaps. Meh, I guess we'll see next year.[/SPOILER]
Obligatory waffle to hide spoilers (come on guys, we've asked you to do this before - don't ruin it for others).
I don't see that happening, mainly because it would break one of the book/show's main themes. That being:
[Spoiler=GoT]Those characters who are 'honourable', who selflessly try to do the right things for the benefit of the realm, come last. In a bad way. They lose out to the selfish, the ruthless and the just plain crazy. For this reason, my money is on him being worm food....[/Spoiler]
[SPOILER=GoT]You mean Jon? Money is on him being brought back, and there is Melisandre, and Ghost paths available. There is also the possibility of the other helping out.
A song of:
ICE - Snow
and
Fire - Danny
Plus, Mel is always being shown "Snow" then her god is giving her visions. Both him and Danny have a considerable amount of Azor Ahai pre-requisites met.
Anyhow, just see this:
[video=youtube;O3o2LqFZcGU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3o2LqFZcGU[/video]
There's also other theories flying around regarding an Ice dragon in the wall which is awakened with one of the horns. And, Jon helping out the others against the fire dragons.[/SPOILER]
Crazy fan theories, no thanks.
And, once again, please add text to your post before using spoiler tags so that they don't flash up in clear text on Tapatalk.
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Yes the Cersei walk of shame was really powerful. IMO it was a brilliant scene depicting her going from the proud start to being humbled at the end. Very emotive and brilliantly executed. Yes it was a body double and the CGI wasn't exactly spot on but it was powerful. Her new Captain of the Guard looks like a mean SOB.
As for Jon? Kit Harrington has commented he's out of the next series so unless it's a major double bluff.
http://metro.co.uk/2015/06/15/game-of-thrones-spoilers-star-confirms-shock-exit-from-show-in-season-five-finale-twist-5246052/[/spoiler]
Meh, I don't know.
What we're hoping for has been done already in previous seasons, so its not unheard of.
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Yes the Cersei walk of shame was really powerful. IMO it was a brilliant scene depicting her going from the proud start to being humbled at the end. Very emotive and brilliantly executed. Yes it was a body double and the CGI wasn't exactly spot on but it was powerful. Her new Captain of the Guard looks like a mean SOB.
As for Jon? Kit Harrington has commented he's out of the next series so unless it's a major double bluff.
http://metro.co.uk/2015/06/15/game-of-thrones-spoilers-star-confirms-shock-exit-from-show-in-season-five-finale-twist-5246052/[/spoiler]
[spoiler=GoT]Cersei humbled? She just looked furious to me. I was sure she would set all of kings landing on fire or something. She doesn't seem the kind you would do something like htat to and survive. Or even be given a quick death for that matter.[/spoiler]