Thanks for accepting me into your group.
I was wondering what the strategy is for moving the group forward? Are there plans for centering on a hub or two? Are we going after short/longer haul routes? Any thoughts on FBO's etc.
I am very new to FSE so don't have much cash but am looking to purchase (or possibly lease) my first plane soon. I'm very interested in getting a Pilatus pc-12 as, to me anyway, it seems to offer an excellent payload vs cost ratio, plus it can do quite long runs when necessary. Is there a way for us to share planes?
Anyway, was just wondering ^^
Hi and welcome to the group. At the moment we are looking at getting some money to gether group wise so that we can get our own group aircraft, where that will be based I dont know, but the rewards for having your own or a group having its own aircraft can be quite good
As for sharing aircraft, there is no reason why you cant use an aircraft for 4 or 5 flights then leave it somewhere for someone else in the group to use and visa versa
we have a thread that we did use to post up where we parked an aircraft so that some of us could use it
http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?40729-Aircraft-Available-to-Rent
Any other questions please ask
Hubs are good, but you need to be able to find a decent location for them and that's the difficult bit unless you want to buy one that is for sale.
Apologies for not being on atm, FSX is uninstalled atm due to a minor problem I am having in switching over to FSE, which my registry doesn;t seem to want to accommodate! :frusty:
Hi tuna,
We are fairly new to FSE too, I'm a little busy at work at the moment but will have more time soon to crack on earning us some more money.
As Sulky has said we plan on buying our group an aircraft to start with, after that we will be looking at a hub somewhere. There's quite a bit we haven't really explored in FSE so we will be looking at different ways to improve our presence so any suggestions or ideas you have feel free to share with everyone.
I agree with Tuna in that the dMw group is not working as it should. I'm reluctant to fly for it when I see us not agreeing on a "group strategy".
Currently it seems we are set to buy a Beech 350 costing 1 mill. A goal we can reach in a month or two? When we get it, who will fly it? Will it add to the sense of community? Will we just start to grind for another one?
I think the goals need to be set in a way that they are achievable in a fairly short term horizon. Days or Weeks! By setting too high goals I'm afraid we get burned out just grinding and waiting for the "next big thing".
The first we got to agree upon, is how to play the game. Like a skeleton of how we want to operate. If we can not agree upon this, I'm afraid the group will be short lived. We need something like a Business plan!
Maybe we should take a look at FSE a little bit first. It is a game that has been around for ten years. That is a long time in any game. And when you then see it is a persistent world it gets even harder. The ones that stick with it, pick up FBO's and airports as they get abandoned and dismantled because people leaving. This is one of the reasons you see so few owning so much. They have been here for years. They have earned it. We have to accept that this will not change. Just about no open FBO spots available in nothern Europe (some to find in remote Sweden/Germany). We need to buy from somebody. This is not a bad thing.
The airports is from FS2004. So in FSX and Xplane there might be airports that are not available or correctly placed, but scenery's can be made, so this is something that people are managing to work around.
The airplanes tend to be "older" GA planes and not modern "airliners". They add planes regularly, but normally the planes added would have to have both payware and freeware models available to be added.
We also need to understand that dMw has done this a couple of weeks and that we are 5-6 people. These are all limitations we need to think about when making a dMw strategy.
It is not fair to compare it to something like Elite or Star Citizen, but from those forums we see that people want different roles. This needs to be taken in to account when choosing a strategy. Some like to jump around in the world taking big jobs with big planes. Some want to use time compression, others want to trundle around in a Piper Cub. And some might just want to deal with FBO management or the economic side of the game. We need to find a way to let all those people feel they can contribute to the group.
I have put forward suggestions before and I will repeat it here for the thread:
Skip the plane for now. Let people use their own/leased/rented plane (BYOP :-))
Let dMw pay the first month leasing on any suitable plane. (A more expensive plane fly in more money than a cheap one)
Decide on a scope of operation. Like northern europe and baltics.
Buy two cheap FBO's in said area. Set up gates between them. (several for 188 thousands in northern France)
Fly the passengers/goods. Fly in supplies, fuel etc. Keep them going. Do aircraft maintenance there.
Look for new oppurtunities. Build bases in other locations? Buy bases in other countrys. Expand as things grow.
Work to set up FBO's on airports with other networks. Connect with other networks.
Buy a couple of planes.
I'll be around tonight and happy to discuss more and come up with a solid strategy Vobler. I personally need to understand the other aspects of FSE and its FBO's and other ways of building the group. I do like the suggestions you have made and am willing to discuss with others too. But your right if we are to make a proper go of this we do need to come up with a proper plan and a way in which the group is run.
Hi Guys, This thread seemed closest to what i wanted to know.....I only have FS9/2004. Used to use a program on there that did a similar thing. Would FSE work on FS9? If so I best give the FSE site a full read-up!
Quote from: robt100;396556Hi Guys, This thread seemed closest to what i wanted to know.....I only have FS9/2004. Used to use a program on there that did a similar thing. Would FSE work on FS9? If so I best give the FSE site a full read-up!
From FSE Manual:
"FSEconomy is compatible with the following flight simulators:
Microsoft Flight Simulator 2002, 2004, or FSX (Boxed and Steam Editions)
X-Plane 9.0 and 10.0
Prepar3D v1.x, v2.x "
:D
Hi!
I'm using FS9, too. Works perfectly with FSE. Just download the FS9-client, read the manual and you're ready to go.
Fantastic! Might have to give this a go. Just got to learn how to land safely and taxi to park! :D
Quote from: robt100;396568Fantastic! Might have to give this a go. Just got to learn how to land safely and taxi to park! :D
Excellent :thumb: give me a shout if you need any help with anything
Well Ive finally worked out how to get the help to taxiways! Though ive already forgotten lol. Would be nice to get a more "high-up" view in the cockpit like i used to in games like "fly". At the moment i can only see ahead/up, not down or about. is there any more 'in the flying seat' views? Maybe I should start my own total FS newbie thread!
Quote from: robt100;396573Well Ive finally worked out how to get the help to taxiways! Though ive already forgotten lol. Would be nice to get a more "high-up" view in the cockpit like i used to in games like "fly". At the moment i can only see ahead/up, not down or about. is there any more 'in the flying seat' views? Maybe I should start my own total FS newbie thread!
Are you using 3D cockpit or 2D? Some of the guys use track IR so they can just look around, move their head forward etc to get a decent view of what they need to see. I have the hat switch on my joystick mapped to look around the cockpit, which works pretty well. You can zoom in and out using the + and - keys (not the numpad ones) which helps, the default view when you load a flight is a little too close to the dash in my opinion so I tend to zoom out slightly. There are other views you can switch to but I can't remember off the top of my head what the key mappings are, it lets you switch to the centre console or the right hand seat for example.
Might be worth jumping on TS one night so we can walk you through a few different things :)
Quote from: robt100;396573Would be nice to get a more "high-up" view in the cockpit like i used to in games like "fly". At the moment i can only see ahead/up, not down or about. is there any more 'in the flying seat' views? Maybe I should start my own total FS newbie thread!
I found this:
VIRTUAL COCKPIT EYEPOINT MOVEMENT (only works in VC)
(hold keys down. You can also move the eyepoint all the way back into the main passenger cabin if you like, if the plane has one modelled )
SHIFT Enter= Up
SHIFT Backspace=Down
SHIFT CTRL Enter= RIGHT
SHIFT CTRL Backspace= LEFT
CTRL Backspace= Forward
CTRL Enter= Back
Hold CTRL and hit SPACE=Reset
Also A and Shift-A
S and Shift-S changes view/groups
These commands can be assigned to controller buttons too.
I use both Track Ir, EZdok (Camera add on) and are using controller mappen view manipulation.
Thanks guys, that helps! Did a few IFR runs last night to try and get back into the swing of things, have applied to FSE so should hopefully be able to get up and about with you soon.
Awsome, see you in game soon then!
Don't forget to check out the posts about the multiplayer server and teamspeak if you are so inclined :D
Never done multiplayer on FS. I assume its a case of just all being on the same "map" at the same time? TS IS a bit hit and miss, i can usually listen in, but too much going on to chat.
I think it is my turn now to ask what the plan is?
We need more activity to keep this group alive.
My plan is to expand with two more two loters. (I have them in "sight".)
We have money now to build one lot on those.
Then we would build the second lot on the four that is then not fully built.
That would give us a 7 FBO network with huge potential. The reason for building is to get the distance between the FBO's
down to a more reasonable flight time for smaller planes. This also maximizes the payout per passenger.
I could do it by my self as I have found that if I use the DC3 to fly out the BM, I can build a FBO in one night on my own.
There was also talk about renting gates, but no progress there either.
I really don't want to run this network on my own. That is not in my plans.
i hopefully will have more time in the next few days to start picking this up again. I think it is a good idea and it gives us a goal to work towards
Quote from: vobler;397934My plan is to expand with two more two loters. .....
We have money now to build one lot on those.
Then we would build the second lot on the four that is then not fully built.
I was talking to Tuna on TS a bit and I think he is right in that we should just finish building the FBO's we have now.
Se FBO thread.
I've just been really busy the last month or so and on holiday this week but will be back to normal activity when I return
Ok, Thanks for the info Sparko. Looking forward to it!
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