We now have 3 FBO's in France
ICAO Codes:
LFSW - Plivot, Epernay, France
LFCM - Larzac, Millau, France
LFHY - Montbeugny, Moulins, France (currently no passenger terminal 2000kg Building Supplies needed)
Post in this thread for anything relating to our FBO's
You will be able to see more info on our FBO's within the FSEconomy client.
I have two comments,
a) Maybe we where too fast in removing the renewal for the other Airline? As we reserved only 2 gates for our self, maybe we should let them renew if they want?
b) Our passengers should be called Dead Men Walking Gamers :-)
its all a learning curve, but the good news is that sparko and I managed a supply run so we now have 50 days to get it right ...do-able i think. Anyhow good times ahead i think
Quote from: vobler;395706I have two comments,
a) Maybe we where too fast in removing the renewal for the other Airline? As we reserved only 2 gates for our self, maybe we should let them renew if they want?
b) Our passengers should be called Dead Men Walking Gamers :-)
Ive made 2 reserved and 2 available for rent at each FBO,
Ive renamed the passengers to Dead Men Walking Air LAN Attendee(s) :)
Just a heads up, if we are running low on fuel at the FBO's we need to take into account this:
[ATTACH=CONFIG]3072[/ATTACH]
Good to hear you managed a supply run!
Care to explain how?
One more suggestion:
In the manual under Passenger terminal, there is a chapter about renting a gate to your self, to be able to set a different template on it. I would like to see a gate that turns out single pax assignments to airports not far away lets say less than 100nm. (small plane trips) Random at first, then maybe we will find some kind of suitable route.
we found a place with supplies and a king air using the search system
when you get to that airport if you look under the aircraft you will see supllies. you buy some of these. then Rent a plane make sure the fuel matches in fsx and the payload matches the supplies you bought. Fly to the Airport then stop and end the flight. Go to goods and find your supllies that you bought and transfer it to dmw and it should supply the airport you are at.
Sparko found an easier way than that, he bought the supplies then flew for DMW and when he landed it automatically transferred it to airport (need to confirm this with Sparko)
There is a lot open at LFCN , has an asphalt runway but not sure how big it is, might be worth a look
Quote from: Sparko;395730There is a lot open at LFCN , has an asphalt runway but not sure how big it is, might be worth a look
I agree, it is along side this race track http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_Paul_Armagnac
It is 1000 meters. Two runways, maybe the racetrack is one runway?
http://skyvector.com/airport/LFCN/Nogaro-Airport
LFDM is longer, with 2 lots. and is 132 Nm from CM. Near golf.
Another prospect is the Lydd airport. Cant remember the code.
Quote from: vobler;395733Another prospect is the Lydd airport. Cant remember the code.
Already checked that and it's still 'closed'
Another one with 2 lots, 2 runways , one is 1300 one 800, smack in the middle between the two others.
LFHY
This is one I like. (on paper. needs to be checked in game)
49 nm south of LFHY is LFLC with building materials!
Quote from: vobler;395735Another one with 2 lots, 2 runways , one is 1300 one 800, smack in the middle between the two others.
LFHY
This is one I like. (on paper. needs to be checked in game)
looks ok, runway a little on the short side but not too bad. It has gates and buildings, think we should start moving building materials there asap and open another FBO
Quote from: Sparko;395744looks ok, runway a little on the short side but not too bad. It has gates and buildings, think we should start moving building materials there asap and open another FBO
ok, I'm busy now, but will try to join you in an our or so.
OP updated,
We now have a 3rd FBO (1 slot at present) we need some more building supplies in order to build a passenger terminal to generate assignments.
There is also another slot available so we need another 10,000kg of building supplies to grab it before someone else does. Assignments have been created on the FSE client for these requirements.
Also there is no fuel at LFHY, it's on order but can take up to 3 days for it to be delivered so make sure you have enough on board to get out again until it arrives.
Quote from: Sparko;395734Already checked that and it's still 'closed'
Lydd is open again, so no go there. But we need to keep an eye open in UK.
Edit; BTW, the fuel has arrived at LFHY
Quote from: Sparko;395757There is also another slot available so we need another 10,000kg of building supplies to grab it before someone else does. Assignments have been created on the FSE client for these requirements.
I can only find 4 assignments of 250kg each. That is 1000kg. Did you leave out a zero somewhere?
Quote from: vobler;395772I can only find 4 assignments of 250kg each. That is 1000kg. Did you leave out a zero somewhere?
No I only created those 4 you can transfer it manually though from the goods page
Inspired by Tunas Skyvector link I made a flightplan with our 3 FBO's to show them on the map
http://skyvector.com/?ll=46.825623578188974,3.030029308328954&chart=301&zoom=11&plan=A.LF.LFSW:A.LF.LFHY:A.LF.LFCM
Passenger terminal is now up at LFHY.
Still need more building materials from LFLC to grab the next slot however our bank balance has taken a big hit so need to do some ferrying to build it back up again.
Passenger terminal setup
I have studied how we have set up our terminals and it seems not to be the best way to do it. What we have tried now is to get a spread on the passengers. (12 max per FBO, 6 on the 1 lot one).
What happens is that 12 passengers are generated. These can show up on the our FBO or on the connected FBO's. This gives us the possibility to be "seen" on several bigger FBO's and I was thinking that it was a positive thing, but with only one or two jobs at every FBO people will ignore it, and it will time out. No income for us.
At this time I think it is best to keep all generated passengers on our FBO's. This will give us a easier way to be able complete our generated jobs and get new ones quicker.
I am taking the liberty to set this up. If you have comments please chime in.
We also need to complete the assignments from the previous owner. Our jobs doesn't get generated until they time out or gets completed.
I got some more (500 kg) supplies for LFHY at LFLC. 100 kg packages.
Hi Guys,
Shoud we rent a few gates in UK? That way we get to fly there and maybe it will be easier for us to find a FBO there.
Go to FBO, FBO Maps, Tick Gates for rent and Select UK and press Get Map.
Gates around Peterboroug (for our LAN Attendees) where 1500 a month.
Quote from: vobler;396084Hi Guys,
Shoud we rent a few gates in UK? That way we get to fly there and maybe it will be easier for us to find a FBO there.
Go to FBO, FBO Maps, Tick Gates for rent and Select UK and press Get Map.
Gates around Peterboroug (for our LAN Attendees) where 1500 a month.
Sounds good to me :thumb:
im happy with it as well. Unfortunatly i am now also having issues with my steam version of FSX and after deleting it and all the addons im not having issues with the disc version...some much for dovetail saying you could have 2 versions on the same computer at the same time, so hopefully by the end of this week ll be up and running again
In a horrible way, in glad I'm not alone!
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I'll wait until you guys get back in the game then.
I think I'll just fly our FBO's in France, and maybe buy some more building materials for the LFHY base.
Just to get the some use out of the planes I leased.
I saw Tuna has done all the available jobs in France.
So I packed up a lot of building materials at LFLC for us to take to LFHY.
Will make empty return flight assignment too. So we don't have to pay the fuel our selves.
Managed to get on for an hour or so tonight, moved 1000kg of building materials to LFHY so we have 6000kg there now, should be able to get on for a few hours tomorrow night to help move the rest.
From yesterdays drive to get the second lot and terminal up and running at LFHY
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0oco476w7h67dom/2015-3-11_23-11-31-91.BMP?dl=0
Tuna in the PC-12, Sparco in the B200 and me in the Caravan.
Very nice! :thumbsup:
loving it hopefully it will be business as usual for me in the next few days, i have narrowed my issue to fsuipc not installing correctly
Repair shop is up at LFHY
There are some building supplies purchased at LFLL that need taking to LFCM so we can get a repair shop up there too, I'll be moving some this evening
Quote from: Sparko;396652There are some building supplies purchased at LFLL that need taking to LFCM so we can get a repair shop up there too, I'll be moving some this evening
Repair shop now active at LFCM :)
Sulky should have had the last haul of 1100KG filmed for the dangerous flights tv show, max-out out his aircrafts load, nice one sulks :thumb:
Quick question Regarding FBO's and the group as a whole. Is there any way to see the DMW FBOs on the client? Or the finances of the group? Would be good to know what we have, what we are aiming for etc.
Quote from: robt100;396843Quick question Regarding FBO's and the group as a whole. Is there any way to see the DMW FBOs on the client? Or the finances of the group? Would be good to know what we have, what we are aiming for etc.
You should be able to click on 'FBO' then hover over FBO then click on Deadmen, let me know if this isn't the case as I will have different access rights to you, but I'm sure you should be able to see them.
As for finances, you should be able to click on Banking and you should see our balance and access to monthly statements, again let me know if not as I'm not sure what you are able to see :)
I must admit, this is something I have wanted to be able to see, but I cannot. I think our access rights are insufficient. It is a bit difficult doing jobs without knowing how things are going.
I couldnt see it before, I can now! I guess you changed something in the settings Sparko?
As an addition question, why so much in cash when it gets interest in the bank?
Quote from: Tuna;396856I must admit, this is something I have wanted to be able to see, but I cannot. I think our access rights are insufficient. It is a bit difficult doing jobs without knowing how things are going.
Ok, I've given 'staff' access to all in our group. Can I please ask though that you do not touch any of the FBO settings or move any money from group account without speaking to either an admin or myself ( I know you wouldn't anyway but just want to get that in there)
There are other things you will also have 'update' rights to, again please do not make any changes without speaking to an admin or myself.
Quote from: robt100;396858I couldnt see it before, I can now! I guess you changed something in the settings Sparko?
As an addition question, why so much in cash when it gets interest in the bank?
The interest is very minimal, however we have only recently bumped the cash balance up, so I will move some to gain the little bit of interest we might get
That's great Sparko :D I, of course, won't touch a thing!
Just a quick q......IF i see flights going at one of our FBO's (in green) does it make or cost the group money to fly it? and is it better to fly for the group doing those or by yourself?
Also, building supplies, how do we top those up, ordered first then we get told to go collect? Or pick up flights going to tthe fbo with supplies?
Couldnt find any easy answer in the guide.
We need more supplies at LFHY and LFSW.
If someone fixes 200kg crates at LFLC, I'll be happy to take it.
Quote from: vobler;397045If someone fixes 200kg crates at LFLC, I'll be happy to take it.
I don't know what this means.
Don't panic!
I (someone) have now bought and crated 1200kg (fixes) of supplies at LFLC. (6 x 200kg crates)
Go there pick up the creates and take them to LFHY. (I can do it if no one else will)
Quote from: vobler;397070Don't panic!
I (someone) have now bought and crated 1200kg (fixes) of supplies at LFLC. (6 x 200kg crates)
Go there pick up the creates and take them to LFHY. (I can do it if no one else will)
Sorry only just read your original message, I'll be about later to help move some supplies if needed
Ok, I believe that I have moved all those supplies.
Quote from: Tuna;397074Ok, I believe that I have moved all those supplies.
Yup looks like you have mate, cheers for that :thumb:
Got caught up in somthing else so won't be around tonight now :(
Our 3 FBO's are ticking along nicely, is it time to look for another to add? We seem to be able to keep on top of things with these 3 quite easily, it would be good to 'go searching' for some more :)
Yes why not?
But we should look in to the offer for gates from Mitch too. I think a couple gates in Uk would be good.
Other than that, a Fbo around 100 nm from one of our current ones would be nice.
Edit:
A quick search gave me these two 2 loters with Asphalt
LFSJ to the north of LFSW,
And LFJA between LFSW and LFHY somewhere. Would be nice if LFJA could give us with small planes a triangle route that is not so long.
LFET is gras, but 2 lots and south of LFJA.
LFEV 1 lot but asphalt. BTW how long runway do we need?
EDIT2:
Only choice of these is the LFSJ. Has buildings and a grass strip too.
just to let you all know i had an offer on the FSE forums for our fbos, came to about 1/2 million, so I said i would sell them to him when i got home from work
ps all the planes we have leased out were in the sale to so you will need to transfer the lease to him as well
Quote from: sulky_uk;397123just to let you all know i had an offer on the FSE forums for our fbos, came to about 1/2 million, so I said i would sell them to him when i got home from work
ps all the planes we have leased out were in the sale to so you will need to transfer the lease to him as well
Ermmm...our FBO's arnt for sale nor are the aircraft that we have on lease, have I missed something? :flirty:
Maybe, maybe not
Quote from: Sparko;397128Ermmm...our FBO's arnt for sale nor are the aircraft that we have on lease, have I missed something? :flirty:
I think he should stop eating that cake.
Nearest building materials to LFJA is LFSB. 100 nm.
nice 1 vob
In addition to the previous these are free;
*Not checked in game!
LFQF 2 lot Asph Build
LFGI 1 lot ASph Build
EBTY 1 lot ASph Build
EBNM 1 lot ASph Build
LFAS 1 lot Gras Build
LFEW 1 lot Asph Build
LFEV 1 lot Asph Build
LFGQ 1 lot Asph Build
LFGF 2 lot Gras Build
LFGL 2 lot Gras Build
**LFME 2 lot Gras Build** Only one south
Suggestion regarding terminal setup on our FBO´s.
When I look at the jobs available I see only v$50 more to go between SW and CM than between HY and CM/SW.
I was thinking; if we set up the terminal gates to only generate jobs to the nearest airports, we could generate more money in less flight time.
Hope you understand what I mean.
Quote from: vobler;397158I was thinking; if we set up the terminal gates to only generate jobs to the nearest airports, we could generate more money in less flight time.
In case you was wondering;
I did this.
If you feel this was a bad move, write your responce below.
Quote from: vobler;397278In case you was wondering;
I did this.
If you feel this was a bad move, write your responce below.
That's fine with me Vobler, sorry I seem to have missed your post for some reason.
Thanks for sorting :thumb:
Quote from: vobler;397142In addition to the previous these are free;
*Not checked in game!
LFQF 2 lot Asph Build
LFGI 1 lot ASph Build
EBTY 1 lot ASph Build
EBNM 1 lot ASph Build
LFAS 1 lot Gras Build
LFEW 1 lot Asph Build
LFEV 1 lot Asph Build
LFGQ 1 lot Asph Build
LFGF 2 lot Gras Build
LFGL 2 lot Gras Build
**LFME 2 lot Gras Build** Only one south
LFQF is 1020 metres which is shorter than any of our current 3 FBO's. However it is ashphalt and there are 2 slots available, I say we get this one and soon. Birdseye view below:
[ATTACH=CONFIG]3139[/ATTACH]
I reckon with the aircraft we have we should be fine, just makes for a challenging landing :)
Edit: ordered 2000kg of building materials at LFSB to take to LFQF at 100kg crates, just 138nm from LFQF, was the closet I could find, let's get another FBO up :)
Quote from: Sparko;397283Edit: ordered 2000kg of building materials at LFSB to take to LFQF at 100kg crates, just 138nm from LFQF, was the closet I could find, let's get another FBO up :)
I found three airports with building materials that are closer. Look again for the next batch.
I will do a run later in the TBM.
Quote from: Sparko;397283I reckon with the aircraft we have we should be fine, just makes for a challenging landing :)
I flew in a few crates with a Conquest. A small mountain to on side makes it even more challenging. No buildings in my scenery, but that is no problem. One can always make a scenery for a nice place, In FSE there are people making nav aids, lights and building for $v money.
I was going to take the rest of our building materials today, but found that they are assigned to Phoenix Freight & Charter.
Any one know who that is? What happens if he doesn't move them, but just hinders us in doing it... Can he build there before us? Having BM assignments on an airport for so long maybe isn't a good thing.
Quote from: vobler;397391I was going to take the rest of our building materials today, but found that they are assigned to Phoenix Freight & Charter.
Any one know who that is? What happens if he doesn't move them, but just hinders us in doing it... Can he build there before us? Having BM assignments on an airport for so long maybe isn't a good thing.
According to the goods list we only own building materials at LFQF (1200kg) and nowhere else? Would it not still show in the goods list even if someone else added them as an assignment? Pun less of course they have now moved them
Look at Goods Transfer Assignments. I moved in the 1200kg
Quote from: vobler;397394Look at Goods Transfer Assignments. I moved in the 1200kg
ive deleted those assignments and the goods can be moved again :)
Quote from: Sparko;397397ive deleted those assignments and the goods can be moved again :)
Superb. Good Move!
I'll take them tomorrow if still there.
There was 4900kg of building materials at LFOA destined for LFQF, I've created 49 x 100kg assignments and assigned them to the dMw group, this should make it easier for us to add them to our flight.
Get them from Groups>>Assignments>>Dead men walking
This will ensure that noone else can select them for their group :) happy days
Well done on the haul tonight chaps 7100kg transferred already, good work :thumb:
Is there a smuggling option? I feel like flying in 5000kg of Bolivian marching powder. We could make a truck load of cash
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Quote from: Sparko;397428There was 4900kg of building materials at LFOA destined for LFQF, I've created 49 x 100kg assignments and assigned them to the dMw group, this should make it easier for us to add them to our flight.
I flew in 1000 kg just now, but I forgot that we also need some supplies there to be able to build. 1'st lot is close now!
I flew in 300 kg supplies and 700 kg Building materials.
The 1'st lot is built and fuel ordered.
But there is this guy that has loaded his Citation with our stuff and refuse to move it. (his nick is something like sprako, can't remember .... :-))
No passenger terminal can be built until this is done.
Quote from: vobler;397550I flew in 300 kg supplies and 700 kg Building materials.
The 1'st lot is built and fuel ordered.
But there is this guy that has loaded his Citation with our stuff and refuse to move it. (his nick is something like sprako, can't remember .... :-))
No passenger terminal can be built until this is done.
Woops sorry I had a problem the other night where because the trip from LFOA to LFQF is so short I hardly use any fuel and FSE cancels my flight when I land as it thinks I haven't used any fuel :(
I forgot to return the assignments, I'll do it now
Quote from: Sparko;397552Woops sorry I had a problem the other night where because the trip from LFOA to LFQF is so short I hardly use any fuel and FSE cancels my flight when I land as it thinks I haven't used any fuel :(
I forgot to return the assignments, I'll do it now
I had the exact same thing. I was very low on fuel. taxed to the fuel station at lfoa anf the second I put on the brake, I had full tank, and a refused mission. After that I am starting to put on the brake on the runway, then taxi in.
I have moved the remaining materials.
Quote from: Tuna;397558I have moved the remaining materials.
Thanks Tuna. I put up the terminal and set up two gates. Passengers will go to LFHY for now.
I´m on a roll here. I really want to build one more before we start lot 2 on LFQF.
What about LFCU? Asphalt, 2 lots and will kind of make a triangle with LFHY and LFCM.
Materials available at LFLC, where we built LFHY from.
If it is a "GO", I don´t mind doing most of it myself as I know some are going to the LAN.
This will give us much more interesting routes to fly, and the possibility to make profitable round trips.
yeah go for it Vobler :) its the only way to get our group known in the area really, as long as we can stay on top of he supplies demand.
I wont be a round much for the next few weeks as im at the LAN and then next week im away in Yorkshire for the week but after that i should be able to spend more time on this again :thumb:
I also want to keep an eye on possible gates to rent in the UK too. I will probably do a few flights whilst at the LAN anyway and i would think Sulky might too.
Quote from: Sparko;397616yeah go for it Vobler :) its the only way to get our group known in the area really, as long as we can stay on top of he supplies demand.
Thanks. Will do. I might need a few days extension on that loan though. ;-)
Quote from: Sparko;397616I also want to keep an eye on possible gates to rent in the UK too. I will probably do a few flights whilst at the LAN anyway and i would think Sulky might too.
Yes, Why dont you try to answer that post from Mich and get in touch with him to find out what is available.
no problem mate :)
yeah i will reply to mitch, i didnt realise he had replied...
Quote from: vobler;397599What about LFCU? Asphalt, 2 lots and will kind of make a triangle with LFHY and LFCM.
Materials available at LFLC, where we built LFHY from.
First lot up and running with fuel and passenger terminal.
Big thank to Jarlev that did a couple of flight in a rented DC-3.
Now it is time to do some flying and build the money reserves to be able to build the free lots on LFQF and LFCU ASAP.
So if someone are flying just for the money (privately), please take all our passengers first. This way we earn some in fees, and fuel sales.
One dMw round trip in a big enough plane will net you almost 30000 if terminals are full. There is our B200 and PC-12 at LFHY. There is also a rentable DC-3 at LFCU now. The group also has a TBM850 and a Beech Duke B60. Go in and fly!
BTW,
Last month our LFHY had 95 operations. That is almost enough to make it in the FSE Reporter!
Our current FBO Map
http://www.fseconomy.net:81/gmapfbo.jsp?fboOwner=35113
I was talking to Tuna on TS a bit yesterday and I think he is right in that we maybe should just finish building the FBO's we have now before getting more.
So what I will do tonight is to buy 24000kg of building materials at LFLC. (This is enough for two lots and terminals.)
This (12000kg each) is to be moved to both LFCU and LFQF to finish off the second lots there. I will start with the DC-3 at LFCU. The distance to LFQF is a bit longer at 85nm, but due to the discount we get by buying so much in one place, we got to do it like this.
I will also buy some supplies to be taken to LFQF and LFSW. Maybe 500kg to each place for now.
I will crate everything in 200kg crates and assign them to the Dead Men Walking group.
Quote from: vobler;397703Our current FBO Map
http://www.fseconomy.net:81/gmapfbo.jsp?fboOwner=35113
As the FBO terminals are set up now they create jobs to the next FBO north or south. LFHY for example creates jobs to LFQF and LFCU. The "end" FBO's LFCM and LFSW creates jobs to one neighbor only.
So currently the network is set up to be flown north to south or south to north. I asked Tuna if he wants longer flights too since there are guys with Citations and the like here. My suggestion currently is to let LFCM and LFSW create jobs to each other too. That will make a few longer flights, even if they where not enough to fill a plane.
We need to find a setup that make us want to fly it. The current setup makes the most money per passenger.
Comments please?
Edit: Another very nice system is to set up LFHY as a hub, and point all others towards that FBO. That will give lots og jobs there, both long and short. Probably the best option now.
Thanks for your work vobler, I'm currently on holiday this week in the Yorkshire dales and have very limited network so can't get on .
I'll catch up with you and help out when I get back
Quote from: Sparko;397993Thanks for your work vobler, I'm currently on holiday this week in the Yorkshire dales and have very limited network so can't get on .
I'll catch up with you and help out when I get back
I'm sure we will find something to do for you! I just built up the second lot and repair shop at LFCU today. Will try to do LFQF too this week.
I did the second lot at LFQF today. There are still more stuff at LFLC to move. Materials for the repairshop and a crate of supplies for LFSW. We also need to buy and take out more supplies to LFQF and maybe a couple of the other fbo´s are low too now.
edit,
Starting to love the DC-3 now. I'm using the JustFlight version.:D
There is a candidate for a group plane....
have taken 1000kg of supplies to LFCM and we are ok for 36 days there now. Will transfer some to LFQF when i get time too, then the all the others just need topping up.
I saw that yesterday. I even went in to check the logs to find out who did it.:)
We need to figure out a system for supplies. If we could make some kind of warehouse at LFHY, we could make jobs there to take 100kg out to the other FBO's now or then. During our normal flights.
The network now is set up to be flown from LFHY - north to LFSW and back, then south to LFCM and back. I find this the most efficient way.
Quote from: Sparko;398188Will transfer some to LFQF when i get time too, then the all the others just need topping up.
Don't worry Sparko, if you don't have the time. I will top up all tonight. Will try to give them 30 days.
Love that JustFlight DC-3. Will probably be able to take all of the supplies 3000+kg AND pick up all the passengers along the route too.
Will go LFLC-LFSW-LFQF-LFHY-LFCU.
Edit:
All done. 32 days.
Dead Men Walking Air
I think it is about time that we talk about what to do with our FBO's and group.
In May the traffic on our FBO's has gone down to about half of what it was in March and April.
Only two members fly actively.
The FBO's use supplies every day, even if no one flies there or not. If the FBO gets traffic, then we earn enough for supplies.
One passenger per day, per FBO, is enough to keep going. But the supplies need to be bought, packed and flown out to the FBO's.
Yesterday I flew out 5000kg of supplies, so the FBO's now have 60 days worth.
After that they will close and after 40 more days they will get torn down if no one resupplies them.
60 days will keep them open until August so there is no immediate crisis.
So what I am saying is that we started this as a group, but if the group is dead, maybe we should just let the FBO's die too.
Edit;
Of course it is better to sell them than to let them die.
I've had an enforced absence due to my reinstallation problems. I'm now back installed again, but I am very busy with work and so whilst I might get some flying done on FSE, I can't commit any major amounts of time to it.
Are there specific things that we need to do to keep the FBO's open? Would it be helpful if we had some kind of tracker thread here on the forum to track where we are against deadlines?
Quote from: TeaLeaf;399860Are there specific things that we need to do to keep the FBO's open? Would it be helpful if we had some kind of tracker thread here on the forum to track where we are against deadlines?
The things we need to do is to buy and fly out supplies. To get those we need funds. To get that we need to fly.
As for the tracker thread; I think we are in it.
If you in the FSE page click FBO, FBO Mgt, Dead Men you will get a FBO list with relevant info.
The manual has a section on FBO Operation that explains how to keep FBOs running.
So you think we should continue?
Quote from: vobler;399864So you think we should continue?
Personally, as FSE does not have the tubeliners I like flying, it does not particularly float my boat. I enjoy the flying, not the grind. It would be great if the FSE group can continue, but I'm not the best person to count on as it would only ever be a smaller part of my preferred flying time. Perhaps others can contribute their time if that is what they are interested in doing?
im am more than willing to continue flying with fse, problem is that real life has got in the way for the moment. I managed a couple of flights last month, and i realise that its not fair on a couple of people keeping the boat afloat, but if we can get people to realise that they can get there fix for fsx flying for us on fse than on their own i think we could be onto a winner. Although if they released tube liners on fse i think that would attract a lot more.
I have only managed about 10 hours in gta in over a month and a half and elite hasnt been touched since Feb.
Tea there are some full procedual aircraft supported in fse...cant find the supported list anywhere at the moment..but i think the q400 is on the list although i could be wrong
Quote from: TeaLeaf;399866I enjoy the flying, not the grind.
Me too. It only becomes a grind when the community is gone.
We can not tell other people what to play. So maybe it is time to move on? The statistics show minimal interest from the FSE group members.
To be totally honest, im getting a little bored of flying smaller aircraft and like TL i do actually prefer the larger commercial planes and its a little disappointing that FSE doesn't really accommodate for this.
Whilst you can fly B200's and small business jets its not really doing it for me, as much as i do like the Carenado aircraft i have. Its just not challenging any more. All i seem to do is take off, level off then use time compression to get to the start of my approach and then land again, all with no autopilot or the need to set up a course or a plan, which is what i enjoy the most (when its worth doing, which it isnt when your trying to move cargo around or passengers to earn cash as quickly as possible).
Also when flying in FSE i have traffic turned off as i tended to connect to our FSHost server, but it makes the atmosphere so empty and unrealistic. I am tempted to start flying on VATSIM again as i miss the ATC and the flight prep that you have to do, also connecting to their servers you see other aircraft/simmers which at times can get rather busy and much more enjoyable.
Im not saying i wont fly in FSE its just with the aircraft being on the smaller side it doesn't really do it for me any more and i do miss the VATSIM experience.
If we do decide to keep them open, we really do need more people in the group. Having 3 or 4 regular/semi regular people really isnt enough. I have tried posting on the FSE forum to welcome any pilots to our group, more than once, whether they are veterans or new to simming but havent had the desired response.
I just think FSE needs a bit more, it would be ideal if they had their own server (similar to VATSIM) where you could see other FSE users moving their cargo etc, not necessarily have ATC but just more traffic to add to the experience. It would definitely bring people together more and make more of a competition out of FBO's.
Quote from: Sparko;399883To be totally honest, im getting a little bored of flying smaller aircraft
I can't tell if you are serious or having a laugh so I will try to be short. :-)
Everything you say that bores you is your own choice. You choose to play like that. Vatsim for instance is a FSE partner. No need to cut that out. You can fly bigger planes. You can set up flightplans.
Yesterday I did a trip with 2 people in a Cherokee. Real rainy weather, low ceiling. lots of wind, high mountains. IFR to ENSD @27. NO GPS.
Boring? No way! :-)
More non boring stuff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61OaDBYzEIc
I never said IT was boring I said I'm getting bored of smaller aircraft meaning I've flown them that much recently that I want to go back to the larger liners.
I understand I can use vatsim on FSE but I'm still limited to the aircraft that FSE support I.e no b737 trips across Europe from Heathrow to Palma.
We all have our own preferences with what we like Vobler I'm just being honest
Quote from: Sparko;399904We all have our own preferences with what we like Vobler I'm just being honest
Yeah, I understand. Hope I didn't upset you. :)
Quote from: vobler;399906Yeah, I understand. Hope I didn't upset you. :)
No of course not :)
Thought you two were going to need a room there.
I don't mind the flying, but if only a couple of us are going to do it, do we need to lose some of our fbos and concentrate on the others
Nope, not upset either. My passion at the moment is the PMDG 777, I'm loving it and I can't fly it in FSE. If I could do both then I would happily do it, but I can't. Much like Sparko, I really enjoy setting up & managing the flight systems on the big tubes plus I get to listen to awesome jet sounds :p The manual landings in them are just as fun to me and I believe a little harder than landing a smaller plane.
Hey Guys,
Please excuse me for posting here in this topic, it feels like a group convo of which I'm not part, but I wanted to offer a little insight to my FSE experiences and to offer any help to ease the grind if I can.
I'm not very good at structuring well written forum posts so please bear with me as I ramble.....and please be kind :)
There are complex aircraft in FSE i.e. PMDG J41. ERJ135/145 (I use Feelthere model), and you can fly the 737. A320 in the all in jobs. There are others though maybe they don't quite fit with a group flying ethos or the one I think some of you are trying to achieve. They also require a large quantity of "grind" to acquire in game, which can get pretty old, quickly.
I joined FSE because I needed a purpose to use all the flight sim stuff I have and the economy part filled that void and gave it all a new interest for me. The downside was I started to "grind" to achieve what I wanted in game and being honest this has somewhat spoiled my siming experience. Having FBO's means you "have" to use them to make their ownership viable and you also "have" to look after them in the supplies department. Taking out a loan on a large aircraft means you "grind" again to pay the damn thing off less you lose it. For me who just wanted to fly and enjoy it, it has become another occupation which I really don't need lol. But ask me to give up all my empire and go back to simpler times...the hell I will, heh, go figure. :D
Think what I'm trying to say here is fly for flying sake and not to build something that evolves into a second job.
Using the big heavy tubes in FSE is a much debated subject, and one that in time I have become to realise wouldn't work. I think it's the mix of large and small that would totally upset the economic model that exists there. There is always Flyteline, which is similar to FSE but accommodates all kinds of aircraft but if you have a look there, it doesn't seem a very popular site. Not knocking anything or anyone, buts stats don't lie.
http://flyteline.no-ip.biz:8080/fseconomy/
Anyways I wanted to offer any help that I can. I have quite a few heavy haulers that I zoom about the planet from time to time. If it is of any help I can either lend you any of them or even do resupply jobs for you. Just give me the heads up, always willing to help. No fees or favours required.
Lastly, this forum here is a nice place. Can't be said for many like it around the internet.
Enough rambling....
Best regards, Mitch
Thanks Mitch for your insight. I will look in to the planes you mention. I'm sure TL and Sparko will too.
Anyway, I'm sure we will do Flightsims in some form for years around here.
And Yes, this IS a nice place. You should really join one of our LANs. DMW rent a hotel twice a year and fills it with gamers and other important stuff. (like beer)
Tealeaf (two posts above) is one of the community founders and he will take good care of you if you show up. I was there last year with my wife, flew in from Norway. He and others he had organized, picked us up at Heathrow. We had a great time. Hope to do it again.
It is true that you can fly some larger planes in FSE but as has been mentioned it's not straight forward.
I too have been a bit distracted away from FSE (although coincidentally I did do some runs yesterday) and have been debating doing some flying in a VA. This got me to thinking about how that might work if we tried to do that as a group alongside other flying activities like FSE. It could mean the best of both worlds in that it puts some structure (i.e. reason to fly) around both small and large aircraft. Perhaps we could even create our own mini VA?
I haven't given this a great deal of though but thought I'd throw it out there as an idea.
I'm also interested in the Vatsim idea and have never really plucked up the courage to do it, so I'd be interested in having a go at that as a group also.
Anyway my two cents.
that would be rather cool, can you have a VA and not use comms on vatsim? Or do you have to use the ATC?
No requirement for Vatsim. If you use one of the usual suspects like flyuk, you just run some software to file your PIREP.
Hi There
I'm taking a summer break from gaming now. Will be back in aug/september.
Quote from: vobler;400109Hi There
I'm taking a summer break from gaming now. Will be back in aug/september.
Have fun Vobler, see you later in the year!
Quote from: sulky_uk;399908Thought you two were going to need a room there.
I don't mind the flying, but if only a couple of us are going to do it, do we need to lose some of our fbos and concentrate on the others
My suggestion is to sell at least LFCM and LFSW before they get torn down. You and me could have the three that is close to each other running with little effort.
I could put them up, but only the group owner can do it. (Sparko)
Quote from: vobler;401431My suggestion is to sell at least LFCM and LFSW before they get torn down. You and me could have the three that is close to each other running with little effort.
I could put them up, but only the group owner can do it. (Sparko)
totally happy with them 3 as it was becoming a chore doing 5
I'll put them up tonight when I get home from work.
I presume we can put them up for what we paid for them? If I remember rightly we got them fairly cheap?
Have put LFSW and LFCM up for £750,000 each to try our luck, I'll reduce the price daily.
Might be worth us just flying in some supplies to give us a bit more time to sell, would be nice to make a bit of profit.
Quote from: Sparko;401465Have put LFSW and LFCM up for £750,000 each to try our luck, I'll reduce the price daily.
Might be worth us just flying in some supplies to give us a bit more time to sell, would be nice to make a bit of profit.
I don't think you will get any takers above 200000, but if you want to keep an eye on it it might be worth a try.
Our FBO Down sizing is more or less finished.
I have torn down/sold LFCM, LFSW and LFCU. And I have built a new one at LFLT.
There is still a few bits of material and fuel to move/sell, but they are up and running now.
We now have three FBO's close together (40-50nm) all with 2 lots.
LFHY with repair shop
LFQF to the east
LFLT to the west.
http://www.fseconomy.net:81/gmapfbo.jsp?fboOwner=35113
Nice one, Im really struggling to find time for a lot of things at the meoment, but i will try and make a little bit of room for FSX
Quote from: Tuna;400031This got me to thinking about how that might work if we tried to do that as a group alongside other flying activities like FSE. It could mean the best of both worlds in that it puts some structure (i.e. reason to fly) around both small and large aircraft. Perhaps we could even create our own mini VA?
I haven't given this a great deal of though but thought I'd throw it out there as an idea.
I'm also interested in the Vatsim idea and have never really plucked up the courage to do it, so I'd be interested in having a go at that as a group also.
Anyway my two cents.
I think we should look in to this as FSE is clearly not the best thing for the group. If anyone got knowledge abot this please discuss. Maybe we could start a new sub forum for the planning/discussion?
If this would get more people flying regulary I am for it.
Quote from: vobler;402238I think we should look in to this as FSE is clearly not the best thing for the group. If anyone got knowledge abot this please discuss. Maybe we could start a new sub forum for the planning/discussion?
If this would get more people flying regulary I am for it.
Sorry Vobler, missed this.
You mean VATSIM? if people are interested in giving it a go I can get a 'how to' guide posted up if it would be useful. Its a steep learning curve though and you can be sat in the cockpit on the ground for a while but it is good fun using real/mock ATC
I don't even know what a VA (Virtual Airline) is... :-) No I don't mean Vatsim.
Further up Tuna and Sulky discussed and concluded that VATSIM is not needed.
Quote from: vobler;402362I don't even know what a VA (Virtual Airline) is... :-) No I don't mean Vatsim.
Further up Tuna and Sulky discussed and concluded that VATSIM is not needed.
Whoops sorry misread
Hi all,
I suggest we tear down our bases now. To resupply now is not economic. We are not making enough money to pay for supplies.
Every base needs 40kg of supplies at around 10$ per kg. delivered. This means that we need $1200 a day to run it.
We get a ground fee of $33 per passenger flown. So to live on ground fees alone all our passengers must be flown everyday.
That is not possible.
The best bet is to rear down, then we will secure 60% of our building materials and fuel.
They will sit in our groups account and can be used later or sold if we wish.
If we just let the FBO's close, I think we will loose everything
First I will put them up for sale and see how that goes.
sorry mate, ive ha so many issues since moving to steam, I think we said it best on the last fly in, it is fun for short periods of time, but becomes a grind (like elite,) would now be the time to consider selling them so we cut our loses, I say yes. But i think we need to move in a direction wit FS in DMW. That direction is quite possibly Vatsim or some equivalent
I traded the FBO's against a Beech Baron. This is now currently for sale for 350000. But if we want the money now we can sell it to the system instantly for 230000. Much more than if we tear down and sell 60% of the remaining building materials. (They would have to be flown to another location too. 37000kg.)
It is located in USA but if anyone would like to ferry it over here to use it,feel free to do it.
I would be happy to move it to Europe, could be quite a flight
Might need a wing man
Quote from: sulky_uk;405820I would be happy to move it to Europe, could be quite a flight
Not needed anymore, it got sold.