Hi guys
A reminder that we shouldn't be swearing on comms, particularly before 9pm. We have l'il ninj on comms at times and there could be members using speakers with young family members within earshot.
After 9pm we take a more relaxed view :D but please try to lead by example and remind others of this guideline where necessary.
Thanks Oldie.
You're right of courser and it's something we need to be aware of. I'm not totally sure I'm innocent of this myself at times with my incredibly witty repartee but noted. We could probably do with a forum-wide reminder in actual fact so perhaps I'll also post something up.
Yeah, I've become more aware of it now, I even apologised to lil_ninj since I have to adjust to having someone young around :) not to mention the sheer amount of people playing Ark now, its quite crazy...
ISTR that we asked that parents ensure all minors are off comms by 9pm.
Pen - can you confirm? If so then a general reminder may be necessary.
Yes, that's been the previous SOP on Minecraft.
No one under 13 is allowed on VC's at all (unless in their own pre-determined channel like in MC)
Any minor post-13 should be off VC's at 9pm.
I don't mind if we have minors on post-9pm but that has to be your call and on the proviso that the parents acknowledge things will get more rowdy. However we may preferthat all minors are off 9pm regardless. Thoughts?
PEN
(All this doesn't affect me as mine are not on VC's as yet but I don't know know how many we have in the post-13 yet still minor category).
Quote from: Penfold;409857No one under 13 is allowed on VC's at all (unless in their own pre-determined channel like in MC)
Any minor post-13 should be off VC's at 9pm.
I don't mind if we have minors on post-9pm but that has to be your call and on the proviso that the parents acknowledge things will get more rowdy. However we may preferthat all minors are off 9pm regardless. Thoughts?
My preference is that they are not on VC at all unless in a special channel and definitely offline by 9pm, no exceptions.
An under 13 should never been online post 9pm.
Sounds good to me although I think we need to clarify.
We all agree under 13's should not be on VC's at all (unless as above).
What are we classing post-13 year olds (I'm saying 13-16) but technically anyone under 18 is still a minor.
Fine line to tread here. We do have a moral obligation here, but policing something like this should really be the job of parents. I'm not saying don't, personally I think we should. But there may also be the issue of what would they do otherwise? I have to say, i'm a parent and I certainly wouldn't want my kids using the internet late, and would suitably time my router accordingly.
Under 13, I think we have a duty-of-care to politely eject users who are under 13. Beyond that, I'm not so sure. How do we prove it, not that we need to mind you. And if we do, what would they do otherwise? Assuming the parents aren't checking their internet use (which they should!) what else would they be doing with the Knowing the general users and what happens on dMw servers - there are worse places they could be.
Thanks chaps.
We'll have a chat and post up some reminders to the wider forum.
The only issue is really those members that are 13-16 I guess. That's the grey area
Adding something else to the 'Children on the Servers' debate ...
Yesterday, I was asked by Duvel if I would add a friend of Brian's to the server. I politely refused. I explained that the servers are provided for the community's members. Occasionally, where the game fits (Minecraft and now Ark) we allow the children of members to be on the server. If we allowed the friends of those children to join - we've lost our server.
Pen - can we put together a guideline/rule to encompass all the points about minors on TS and the servers?
Admins - please only add members who you know are registered on the dMw forum and check with council first if you are asked to add children.
Any minor on the server should have a parent member and I'd maybe even make that at the discretion of the council (if that isn't the case already)
The parent member really needs to have a good appreciation of expectations and be a regular. If we're not careful we become a "safe place" for parents to leave their kids playing online rather then monitoring what their children are up to (I'd hope none of our members are like that but were pretty open door).
As a parent I'd rather see issues coming and sort them before a member of the council contacts me.
Quote from: Jamoe;409913Any minor on the server should have a parent member and I'd maybe even make that at the discretion of the council (if that isn't the case already)
The parent member really needs to have a good appreciation of expectations and be a regular. If we're not careful we become a "safe place" for parents to leave their kids playing online rather then monitoring what their children are up to (I'd hope none of our members are like that but were pretty open door).
As a parent I'd rather see issues coming and sort them before a member of the council contacts me.
This is pretty much where I stand personally. Recent developments have reinforced this.
We had this very debate 5 years ago with the 'dMw Juniors' playing BFBC2.
Back then i post a question about them having their own channel (granted, for a slightly different reason).
- It was decided that the should not get their own channel.
- They should behave in a mature manner keeping to the same standards as the rest of us.
- Be off by 9pm.
- I don't like swearing on VC's anyway but it was agreed that we definitely wouldn't have any before the 9pm watershed.
That's how's it's been with my two since then and it seems to have worked ok. Just wondering what's changed?
Quote from: TwoBad;409963We had this very debate 5 years ago with the 'dMw Juniors' playing BFBC2.
Back then i post a question about them having their own channel (granted, for a slightly different reason).
- It was decided that the should not get their own channel.
- They should behave in a mature manner keeping to the same standards as the rest of us.
- Be off by 9pm.
- I don't like swearing on VC's anyway but it was agreed that we definitely wouldn't have any before the 9pm watershed.
That's how's it's been with my two since then and it seems to have worked ok. Just wondering what's changed?
Regarding the watershed/VC/swearing nothing has changed as far as the rules go. OB just politely reminding us of the rules. Which I'm happy to say has worked.
The thread has change course a little and we've started to discuss other issues regard "dMw Juniors", but it's more because Ark gameplay is very different to Minecraft/BFBC2. I started a topic here (http://www.deadmen.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?42207-Ark-Unforgiving) to continue that discussion.
Yup, in the main it's worked pretty well and our old-hand juniors are all fine.
We've agreed on a policy which I'll post up as soon as I can drag my sorry ass out of Ark. Basically along the lines of :
Our TS is designed for use for our members over the age of 18. We are, after all, an adult gaming community.
Under 13 (Minors) = No VC's whatseover (unless granted specific permission for a game like MC where a separate and dedicated channel will be provided)
13-18 (Juniors) = OK to Join TS but have to be off by 9 O'Clock
After 9 O'Clock = Over 18's only. There will only be soft enforcement of this as we really don't need the job of enforcing it. One would like to think that parental guidance kicks in here and if Juniors stay on TS after 9 it's with the understanding that we will not be monitoring language or content.
That means we won't ask anyone under 18 to leave but their parents acknowledge the fact we're not monitoring and it's self-policing.