I just watched a Computex 2016 video from AMD about their new RX480 graphics card (Polaris architechture + Vulcan API).
It is
STUNNING in terms of the performance it delivers for the price.
Cost: $199. Power: 150W.
Running a dual RX480 ($400) setup provides better FPS than a $700 GTX1080, plus the RX480 GPUs are utilised only 51% during that demo, compared to 98.7% for the GTX1080.
Clearly we'll need to wait for the *real* numbers, but if half of what they have said is true then for the first time in perhaps 8 years, I'll be swapping my graphics computing back into the AMD camp from my current dual GTX770's.
The demo is at about 8 minutes, but watch the whole presentation, there's some real good info in there.
And for the space pixies amongst us, here's an interesting thread about Star Citizen and Vulcan.
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/49o919/possible_dx12vulcan_support_question/
Love his math though. $199 single card became a <$500 dual card solution vs the 1080 :)
Ok yes it is less than $500 but why not just say $398?
Great video, slightly bad delivery of the presentation but I think the point was clear. AMD can do this as well for far cheaper than nVidia based on their own data.
And numnuts here has just pre-ordered a 1080 strix 🙈
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I'm now on hold for my upgrade to see how this plays out. It's been a long, long while but maybe I'll be returning to the AMD camp as well.
Still on a gts450 here :-(
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+ the cost of 2 waterblocks! If the fans on them are anything like was on my 290x then you will need a better cooler on them.
Still getting 95~FPS on the highest settings playing overwatch at the moment, so no need to change :o
Overwatch is a bit comic in terms of graphics though
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Put that render resolution on 200% Albert and hear your PC cry,
Quote from: Chaosphere;413800Put that render resolution on 200% Albert and hear your PC cry,
Yeah but that can be said for any game mate.
Ya sure, but if Dan gets that FPS maxed out on it, its a decent GPU :P
I guess its a question of , do you want 2 cards in xfire vs 1 card,looks like the 1070 will come in around $450 with only about a 20% loss over the 1080.
So the second question is, do you have the cooling for 2 cards vs cooling and space for 1 card.
Quote from: Sneakytiger;413813I guess its a question of , do you want 2 cards in xfire vs 1 card,looks like the 1070 will come in around $450 with only about a 20% loss over the 1080.
So the second question is, do you have the cooling for 2 cards vs cooling and space for 1 card.
From what that presentation said I think those are relatively easy answers Sneaky.
With a TDP of 150W the question of 2 cards versus 1 card will not be a major determining factor for most people
unless you have a really small case. In cooling terms it's a question of having a couple of extra lightbulbs in your machine, which is really not a major issue.
Cost probably will not be either as they are projecting £400 for 2 x RX480 versus £400 for a GTX 1070. And we already know a GTX 1070 is a lot slower than a £530 GTX 1080 FE, which in turn is slower than the dual RX480 set up.
So why would you buy a slower, maxxed out GTX 1070 for the same money as a dual RX480 setup which has less than 50% utilisation and loads of headroom to deliver more performance in the DX12 world?
The best answer might be that we don't know what the real world supply of either card will be. You can't buy something if it is not on the shelf at the retailer, so supply might determine what people do in reality!
I agree, the supply will be the problem as they will be majorly popular. I suppose everyone who has waited for these new architecture of cards for a year and held off buying will be keen to buy early. Anyone who has a 970 or 980 will be able to hold off a year or more before replacing their cards and avoid the battle for the cards. Also, AMD haven't had a rush for cards like this could cause, for years so their quality might be a bit ropey to begin with, I'm sure it'll settle down over time.
I would recommend waiting until there are more independent benchmarks to examine so their claims can be verified.
I've never had any beef with the performance that AMD cards can deliver and have swapped between AMD (ATI) and NVidia many times over the years, but the only cards I have had technical issues/failures with were AMD and I will never buy another one no matter the performance benefit.
The power of video cards are getting to the point where in practical terms, unless you're doing high-end video editing and rendering, there is almost no discernable difference between them. Ok, so you may get, say, 95fps vs 70fps on Game X, but I'm not entirely sure that my eyes would notice the difference.
Hang on just a minute...
with regards to that video, compare the right and left screens during the 8 minute point demo - there is a clear difference in content on the 2 screens - the '700 $ solution' screen has higher res textures, better shadows (look at the terrain), more units of the field, better explosions... this is NOT a side by side comparison. Sure your 500 $ solution will keep up with a 700 $ one in framerate, IF you nerf the graphics settings?????
Quote from: Chaosphere;413826Hang on just a minute...
with regards to that video, compare the right and left screens during the 8 minute point demo - there is a clear difference in content on the 2 screens - the '700 $ solution' screen has higher res textures, better shadows (look at the terrain), more units of the field, better explosions... this is NOT a side by side comparison. Sure your 500 $ solution will keep up with a 700 $ one in framerate, IF you nerf the graphics settings?????
I did check.up a bit on this as textures did seem to be different...
http://videocardz.com/60860/amd-explains-image-quality-in-aots-radeon-rx-480-cf-vs-gtx-1080-demonstration
Helps explain it a bit
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Well interesting again if that is indeed the case.
Looked a lot worse on the left to me!
Quote from: Chaosphere;413826Hang on just a minute...
with regards to that video, compare the right and left screens during the 8 minute point demo - there is a clear difference in content on the 2 screens - the '700 $ solution' screen has higher res textures, better shadows (look at the terrain), more units of the field, better explosions... this is NOT a side by side comparison. Sure your 500 $ solution will keep up with a 700 $ one in framerate, IF you nerf the graphics settings?????
It's the same demo, to the same settings afaiaa, but keep in mind that DX12 is rendered and looks very different on screen from nVidia to AMD. Ashes of Singularity is the name of the demo if you are interested.
The benchmark is DX12 and takes advantage of the asynchronous computing mentioned. Read more here:
http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/223567-amd-clobbers-nvidia-in-updated-ashes-of-the-singularity-directx-12-benchmark
Those are the differences between the quality of the pictures you are seeing I believe.
Edit: just read Milli's post. +1 Milli!
Quote from: TeaLeaf;413830It's the same demo, to the same settings afaiaa, but keep in mind that DX12 is rendered and looks very different on screen from nVidia to AMD. Ashes of Singularity is the name of the demo if you are interested.
The benchmark is DX12 and takes advantage of the asynchronous computing mentioned. Read more here:
http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/223567-amd-clobbers-nvidia-in-updated-ashes-of-the-singularity-directx-12-benchmark
Those are the differences between the quality of the pictures you are seeing I believe.
Edit: just read Milli's post. +1 Milli!
I know the texture situation re: Milli's post etc. but there was a zoom difference between the 2 screens as well. Not sure how that would effect the frame rate, assume zoomed out is less detailed so can achieve greater FPS.
But that's being pedantic, the performance was awesome and the quality, meh, who care about a 5% difference for that price.
From Star Citizen's '10 for the Developers':
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp5AlLytcn0&t=4m45s#
TLDR:
CIG are actively looking to adopt the new Vulcan API and are reworking the current system to move it towards a more parallel set of jobs with asynchronous computing rather than the traditional single thread.
Bump for anyone interested in buying a 1080 or 1070.
+1 - excellent card according to reviews and initial benchmarks especially for price/performance
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nvidea about to release the 1060, will be interesting to see the comparison between the 480 and 1060.
There's also the Corsair cooled GTX 107/80s coming out if you want to spend a fortune. I'm considering selling my GTX 980 and getting a 1080, I estimate 50% of the cost of the new card can be covered by selling the old one. Also the 980TI cards are coming down really cheap now, under 400 UK.
Im still waiting for my strix 1080. Theres been massive shortage on certain cards. (Strix especially - order placed may 28th ... and as of wednesday past I was queue position 91)
The price of them has just massively.. strix 1080 i pre ordered at £625... it is now sitting at £750.
There are other cards now coming in stock but all prices have jumped up (brexit / exchange rate to blame) so I'd be out of pocket if i changed now.
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It's about â,¬930 for that card in Europe, â,¬915 for the MSI SEA Hawk with the Hydro cooler. Is there something special about the STRIX?
Quote from: Sneakytiger;414795nvidea about to release the 1060, will be interesting to see the comparison between the 480 and 1060.
No sure about the 1060 but this is interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4TkD8VP094 test build of the RX480.
or vs the 1070, where the RX480 is poor in some areas but surprisingly close in others.
The strix oc is fastest card (or supposed to be) outt of the 1080 cards.
Luckily OCUK honour the price i bought it at so im sticking the wait out till it comes otherwise will lose out.
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interesting review about the 480 vs nvidea option, even tho it looks like a single 1080 is still gonna be the way to go basically having 2 cards in sli or x-fire.
u still has to have the best driver support and software support, else you don't benefit from a second card, so 2x480 vs a 1080 may be better on some games but not all.
Apart from VR, what are people playing that needs the grunt of a 1080?
Nothing better to waste money on?
future proofing i'd say tut, thats what i'm looking for when i upgrade my system.
I bought my hd 6990 for about £600 when it was released in 2011 and its served me well until now(5years is good going). I cant game at 2k+ with this current card and with games coming out.
So now ive purchased the best single card gpu i can at present time i can now look forward to playing ark with some detail, and the likes of star citizen (which ive not even been near as my card cant handle it at moment even on low) and every other game i choose to play on as best detail as i can.
Then - i can purchase my 2k/4k monitor shortly without having to worry about fps issues.
Surely thats the point???
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Also if VR floats your boat (which we know is doesn't for you Tut, prototype and all that ;-) ) and you want a card that will reduce your chances of puking all over your keyboard, then go for the most powerful, it'll only get better as drivers optimize and VR becomes more mature. For me I feel I can sell my 980 for half the price of a 1080 and accept the price of upgrading. The architecture of the 10XX series is so far ahead of the 9XX that the upgrade is justified in my opinion. I'm also waiting to see what AMD do in the meantime and if they can produce a card that competes with nVidia. So far they are being a bit slow about it.
The problem with the 1080 is stock. There aren't any fore sale.
Been on the evga auto notify list for two weeks. Only once in these two weeks it was available, for 5 minutes..
Yup tell me about it.... i place an order pretty much on release day and at last check was 91st in the queue. And with the small quantities its coming into stock each time itll be xmas by time i get mine 🙈
But the strix is at the severe end of the stock issues. As been said there is a massive shortage on most 1080 non-reference cards.
Im following the forum post on OCUK
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18732799&page=202
Over 6000 posts of disgruntled customers. Although within there there is an evga rep fiving statua updates (Ben@evga) and gibbo from OCUK replying to posts and trying to keep the customers up to date as much as possible.
The wait continues....
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OCUK again amazing customer service - massive problems with Asus Strix OC cards being produced - they offered to swap cards for those waiting for them at no extra cost. I swapped out to a Gigabyte G1 - and can't believe i've been subjecting my eyes to anything but how pretty things look now. Going to start playing Witcher 3 again from start as it's so pretty and shiny now. (Running at 42oC after 10-15mins play on air)
Just need to save up for my new monitor to try out 2k/4k :D
Aye, Gibbo is very customer oriented. Had some problems with their CC reps some years ago, and has to escalate to a CC manager to get my problem fixed (their mistake), but all in all, ocUK every time.
Ben also diverted an extra shipment to them from pre-order cancellations of east European countries.
I went for the 1080 Zotac AMP Extreme myself, expecting a shipment next Monday. There seems to be an issue with fan revving, but I'm planning to set a minimum fan speed level so that the fans never switches off.
It has the best clock speeds of any current 1080, and was personally recommended by Gibbo himself.
Engine clock (base): 1771 MHz / (boost): 1911 MHzMemory clock: 10.8 GHz
Yup I seen Gibbos recommendation but had no idea when I Could get one of the AMP extremes - plus I was against paying more for a card i already shelled out £600+ for.
Been running GPU-Z tonight whilst playing Ark/OW and clock been sitting at 1950Mhz, Mem Clock of 1250Mhz, and Highest Temp hit was 69oC (not even attempted to OC this card at all, so be interesting to see what I could achieve if decide to do so)
Quote from: Milli;415001OCUK again amazing customer service - massive problems with Asus Strix OC cards being produced - they offered to swap cards for those waiting for them at no extra cost. I swapped out to a Gigabyte G1 - and can't believe i've been subjecting my eyes to anything but how pretty things look now. Going to start playing Witcher 3 again from start as it's so pretty and shiny now. (Running at 42oC after 10-15mins play on air)
Just need to save up for my new monitor to try out 2k/4k :D
I bet the difference is amazing. Ark shoudl be rather nice, I would love to know if you can ptu everything on Epic and all effects maxed and still play with decent framerate.
I am bud, will check frame rates later but its smooth - no stutter etc at all
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Quote from: albert;415014I bet the difference is amazing. Ark shoudl be rather nice, I would love to know if you can ptu everything on Epic and all effects maxed and still play with decent framerate.
Epic settings with 0 clutter runs at 98 frames stable @ 1080
i7-6850K, HyperX DDR4-2400, and Zotac 1080 AMP Extreme all running at stock speeds.