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Title: Supreme Court 8-3 decision - Article 50 needs Parliamentary Act
Post by: TeaLeaf on January 24, 2017, 09:45:59 AM
Well, the vote is in and in a majority decision the Supereme Court voted 8-3 that the UK Government needs a Parliamentary Act to trigger Article 50.  If the Government appeals it will now be to the European Court.  Oh the irony! :roflmao:
Title: Supreme Court 8-3 decision - Article 50 needs Parliamentary Act
Post by: Penfold on January 24, 2017, 10:35:59 AM
God it's all so pathetic. Just get on with it if we're going to do it.
Title: Supreme Court 8-3 decision - Article 50 needs Parliamentary Act
Post by: albert on January 24, 2017, 11:14:55 AM
Loving the drama. I'm hoping Trump will Tweet his views on it soon.

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Title: Supreme Court 8-3 decision - Article 50 needs Parliamentary Act
Post by: OldBloke on January 24, 2017, 11:28:50 AM
What amazes me in all of this is ...

1. Constitutional law is open to interpretation and

2. 11 Supreme Court justices can interpret those laws differently?

:g:
Title: Supreme Court 8-3 decision - Article 50 needs Parliamentary Act
Post by: Twyst on January 24, 2017, 11:52:32 AM
Quote from: OldBloke;421314What amazes me in all of this is ...

1. Constitutional law is open to interpretation and

2. 11 Supreme Court justices can interpret those laws differently?

:g:

This can easily be explained by this one picture:
(http://www.tamingdata.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/tree-swing-project-management-large.png)
Title: Supreme Court 8-3 decision - Article 50 needs Parliamentary Act
Post by: TeaLeaf on January 24, 2017, 12:15:09 PM
Quote from: Twisted;421315This can easily be explained by this one picture:
(http://www.tamingdata.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/tree-swing-project-management-large.png)

:roflmao: Brilliant!
Title: Supreme Court 8-3 decision - Article 50 needs Parliamentary Act
Post by: TeaLeaf on January 24, 2017, 12:16:50 PM
Quote from: OldBloke;421314What amazes me in all of this is ...

1. Constitutional law is open to interpretation and

2. 11 Supreme Court justices can interpret those laws differently?
That's one of the fundamentals of British Law though isn't it?   The ability to interpret and build through precedent?  The Laws are never written perfectly and the sphere of influence for any Law changes over time (eg data protection and electronic communications etc), so there is always that room to refine and develop understand until new primary legislation is passed that overrules the earlier doctrine.
Title: Supreme Court 8-3 decision - Article 50 needs Parliamentary Act
Post by: Sneakytiger on January 31, 2017, 03:21:11 PM
So was the point of the referendum again?


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Title: Supreme Court 8-3 decision - Article 50 needs Parliamentary Act
Post by: TeaLeaf on January 31, 2017, 03:38:19 PM
The referendum was never legally binding, even before the case.  The referendum was an opportunity for the politicians to be told what to do when making their own minds up proved too difficult.

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Title: Supreme Court 8-3 decision - Article 50 needs Parliamentary Act
Post by: smilodon on January 31, 2017, 04:04:46 PM
Quote from: Sneakytiger;421464So was the point of the referendum again?


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It's really very simple. A Prime Minister running a government with the smallest percentage of the popular vote (38%) in living memory decided to give the UK a vote on EU membership that most of the population had never particularly asked for, in order that he be remembered for being a great Prime Minister rather than being that Tory bloke that came after Gordon Brown.

Two groups were set up 'Leave' and 'Remain'. The Leave group sort of liked the sound of being outside the EU and the Remain group sort of liked the idea of being inside the EU. Most importantly though, neither group had a clear idea of what life would be like going forward inside the EU and neither had the faintest idea what it would be like outside the EU.

So the Leave campaign lied about how great it would be if we left the EU and how really, really bad it was currently being inside the EU. The Remain campaign lied about how great it was inside the EU and how terrible it would be outside the EU.

None of the citizens of the UK got anything remotely resembling facts, mainly as there were none... this all being predictions about things that might happen in the future. Slightly more people believed the lies from the Leave campaign than believed the lies from the remain campaign and so we are leaving the EU.

No one knows what will happen next.