I'm always upset to read about multiplayer driven games putting content behind pay walls so soon after launch. For me, with the battlefield series, it divided the player base and made the game quickly feel like no more than a cash cow. Of course, releasing the exact same game every 12 months didn't help there either.
So destiny players, how much if an issue is this? I'm sure some of you will already own this DLC, but how does it make you feel? (Just picture the therapists couch).
https://kotaku.com/high-level-destiny-2-activities-are-now-locked-behind-d-1821058051/amp
Don't get me started. This was on my Christmas list until seeing your post Ben. I really want to jump into this, the game looks awesome but I will not be restricted from progressing because of not having DLC. Yes restricted from new content but not leveling.
My question to the Destiny 2 folks is does not having this mean an end to your enjoyment and means the game is now shelved until you buy the DLC?
It's abit of a shame, esp since it wasn't released on PC that long ago. I've yet to purchase DLC due to financial struggles but will grab it when thats sorted. Lagging behind due to greedy publishers is always brilliant :)
For Christmas I opted for The Legend of Zelda, Breath of The Wild instead.
well it's like any game really that has dlc in fact, lets take diablo 3 for instance.
the core game has act 1-4 in the story mode, but the dlc:reaper of souls has act 5.
now would you rather play act 1-5 or just act 1-4?
dlc usally enhances the orginal game, do you think world of warcraft would have been as popular if it was only the base game that came out?
destiny 2 is'nt gonna be a cash cow of a game, i my self got the 79.99 pack on launch day so i'm covered for the expansions, by the way there will be 2.
Aside from the money reason, they also increased (aka locked out content) the raid level requirements to keep the content relevant. People asked for this in Destiny 1, they got it in D2 but then complaint about it....
Sure they also locked out Trials from non DLC folks, but they apparently did it (for money) as they added new maps to the pool that come with the DLC.
Does all of this lock out people from things they had access to before? Yep. Is it shitty? Yep, in fact, it's downright scumbucket corporate twatness. BUT, D1 had several DLCs; https://www.destinygamewiki.com/wiki/Expansions . And the DLC was advertised from day 1. If people bought into the game and expected NOT to be left behind when the DLC came out, then they were only fooling themselves.
I'm happy with my purchase of the game, but I went in expecting to have to pickup the DLC. I waited to buy it (cost me an extra £5) but I wanted to make sure I enjoyed the game before forking out extra for something I may no longer be interested in.
Is it the best game ever? Nope. Is it entertaining enough to keep me interested in playing? Yep. Will I still be playing it every night and every day I get the chance in a month or whatever? Unlikely. I plan on played Path of Exile, some of the new Hearthstone, Overwatch and whatrever else takes my fancy.
The main people digging in the salt mines over all of this, are people who want Destiny to be a full time hobby. As a single dad with a full time job, I haven't got time for that. I play enough as it is and am happy with what I have gotten out of it (lots of fun) and will likely continue to get out of it.
Quote from: Sneakytiger;428363well it's like any game really that has dlc in fact, lets take diablo 3 for instance.
the core game has act 1-4 in the story mode, but the dlc:reaper of souls has act 5.
now would you rather play act 1-5 or just act 1-4?
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I'm sorry sneaky but you can in no way compare this to diablo 3 (or Wow) . That DLC came out
2 years after the main game's release, this is mere weeks after the release of destiny 2.
Of course DLC 'enhances' a game (for the most part... I remember a certain horse armour in Oblivion...), but there are huge differences between single player only content and multilayer content, and yet again between multilayer content that is optional and does not affect the game (cosmetics and so on) and that which divides the player base behind a pay wall or leaves the game feeling pay to win.
There is yet again a world of difference between DLC that drops weeks after release (the problem being it may have really been ready on release an held back only to scratch some more cash from fans) and DLC that comes months, or even
years later. The content you mentioned for diablo and WoW took a lot of further development post release, it's an entirely different thing to ask for payment for that work that for content dropped a few weeks after release. Furthermore, DLC 2 years after release has much less of an affect on the player base. Either many have already moved on from the game (some may come back even), or you simply increase the likelihood of everyone being able to afford it if they want to... They've have a good while to save some pennies after all.
Compare that to say, those that can only afford 1 game a month. You have to bear in mind that even for those of us fortunate enough to be able to buy multiple full price games a month, there are many more gamers that simply cannot. Be it due to financial constraints or otherwise (do remember a huge percentage of gamers are teens and therefore often under restrictions from parents, one of my good friends I school had a (harsh?) 1 game per 2 months rule!), many can't get multiple games or content packs, and when they buy a product are stuck with just that for a considerable while.
Content like this in destiny cuts these players off from their friends playing the game who can afford it. This is, in my opinion, unacceptable, and shows a publisher who doesn't care at all about their players, just about the cash. If it was ready for release it should have been included in the game. If it was not quite ready, then it should have been given for free or had its launch delayed a while longer to avoid this fragmenting. How many will pick up the base game for Christmas and already be locked out of content? DLC is a very varied beast, you can't directly compare one game to another as not only is the content often different in its impact on the game, but the ecosystem of the game itself too.
And noot, your post is a good one and does make some really good points. I don't entirely agree, however, as I don't think that just expecting the player to know in advance is acceptable. It works for those like you and me who are keyed into such things, but as I have mentioned above the gamer population is hugely varied, from the more 'casual' gamers who may not pay as much attention, to the younger whose parents may not, for example. I think it is unfair to 'punish' these gamers for their lack of awareness of these despicable DLC practices. They shouldn't have to know. When they pay £40 they should get a full product that remains so for a good amount of time. A few weeks is not acceptable. Consumers shouldn't have to protect themselves from their purchases, but alas there is no such consumer watchdog for gaming yet. Stuff like this holds the industry back some, imo, as if I was one of those more 'casual' gamers to buy the game and find out later I had to drop more cash to keep up, that may well just put me off entirely.
And as for the gamers that DO know about these practices, well stuff like this put many of us in this community off of EA games to the point of total blacklist. I was never going to buy destiny 2, I'm afk for months still and will simply miss the game. However, it looked fun! I liked what I saw and I liked to see dMw pick it up. It gave me hopes for destiny 3, which I am sure we will see down the road. Reading stuff like this though does give me pause for thought. It pushed me away from the battlefield series, I would be concerned it could do the same here. So yes although you're right for us we perhaps have only ourselves to blame for our purchases, that may well over time drive many to simply not purchase, and to look to other fields.
You may be able to tell I think this stuff is important to talk about. I think we owe it to ourselves and our fellow gamers to educate ourselves on how the industry we love is being run at the top, and how it impacts us ALL, not just a few. It's only when enough gamers see what is wrong that anything will ever improve!
https://kotaku.com/we-ve-made-some-mistakes-bungie-backtracks-on-locked-1821200993/amp
Aaaaand bungie have done what I shall now name 'pulling an EA'. Good news, I suppose, as all of our members can now once again access the content they originally paid for.
This shouldn't have to happen, but at least these reversals show there may still be potential for change. Devs will hopefully stop cutting content and putting up pay walls one month after release if they see others hit with such backlash.
And now the Forsaken expansion is.... similar price to the original game! rrp â,¬56.99 cdkeys â,¬38.69. Ok let's get definitions clear right away. DLC or Expansion? Is there a difference? You need the base game and the 2 previous DLC expansions to make this new one work. In effect they are asking for about â,¬150 if full price is paid for their game. I can see this dropping like a stone like the original did and being possible to pick it up for â,¬10 eventually.