Hi. I've been out the upgrade game for about 4-5 years, my current spec is this:
CPU: i7-4820k (3.7ghz)
RAM: 16GB DDR3
GPU: 1070
I'm only really looking to upgrade the PSU (it's a bit old and simply needs replacing), CPU and RAM. I've taken a look at the bundles available for intel on Scan and spotted:
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/3xs-z370-overclocked-bundle-intel-core-i7-8700k-coffee-lake-asus-tuf-z370-plus-16gb-ddr4-be-quiet!-d which seems reasonable. I've also spotted the Ryzen bundle https://www.scan.co.uk/products/scan-gamer-bundle-asus-prime-b350-plus-amd-ryzen-7-2700x-16gb-ddr4-arctic-freezer-12 for a not inconsiderable price difference! Obviously the intel variant is overclocked, I have to admit, i'm quite nervous about that!
So whats the craic these days? Intel vs AMD. Assuming that mental Intel Wigig bug has been worked out of AMD processors (https://community.viveport.com/t5/Technical-Support/Wireless-adapter-incompatible-with-RYZEN-cpus/td-p/23285/page/4) i'm not a brand snob, and would just like to consider my options from more experienced people. I'm certainly not adverse to building from scratch either, or indeed, grabbing components from elsewhere. The Ryzen 7 3700X is looking tempting!
PCIe 3 vs 4 is also an issue of course!
Chaos has just specc'ed me a PC and even the guys at Scan complimented me on the setup when they did their pre-build customer check.
Says it all to me :thumbsup2:
I posted this on discord, but I'll post it here to if nothing else to see what Chaos has to say to it (it's the upgrade I'm planning on soon)
Quote3700x, MSI B450 Tomahawk or MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon, 3600 CL 16 ram - £640 give or take + a PSU of your choice.
Hi guys, I'll put a proper reply on here over the next couple of days. Just got home from a nightmare of a shift so don't have the energy to do it now!
QuoteWhen it comes to price, the AMD Ryzen 7 3700X is the clear winner as it knocks the Core i9-9900K out of the park with excellent multi-threading performance, about as fast gaming performance for $170 US less. It’s the best in class 8 core processor that crushes the Core i7-9700K in terms of CPU performance and the Core i9-9900K in the value proposition. The AMD Ryzen 5 3600X does the same to the Core i5-9600K that the Ryzen 7 3700X does with the Core i7-9700K, offering a multi-threaded design that is about as fast in gaming and offers superior performance in multi-thread workloads. Along with the multitude of features such as PCIe Gen 4, 7nm process and far better efficiency than their competitors, the Ryzen 3000 proves that AMD is not the value brand anymore but a solid lineup for high-end gamers who want the best performance, features, and efficiency at absolutely fantastic price points.
Taken from the WCCFTech review of the new Ryzen chips.
These new CPUs from AMDs seem to be ticking all of the boxes. If you had asked me a few weeks ago I would have said 9600K or 9700K, depending on your use case, but now it is hard to recommend anything but the 3600X or 3700X. If you're an Intel fan the aforementioned CPUs are still perfectly good choices, and for your average gamer the differences between these modern CPUs become
almost inconsequential. I don't think the more expensive CPUs (9900K, 3900X) are easy to recommend to gamers unless you specifically want to build a 'top of the line' PC, regardless of the price premium that demands.
Motherboard wise, the B450 chipset is fine for most. Moving up to the more expensive X470 brings a few more USB options to the table, but nothing revolutionary. Going for X570 may seem tempting with its PCIe 4.0 support, but these boards are seriously overpriced right now, and I wouldn't recommend them. You won't saturate PCIe 3.0 with any modern single GPU set-up, and by the time we
need PCIe 4.0 you're likely to be building your next PC anyway.
https://www.scan.co.uk/3xs/configurator/custom-pc-hardware-bundle-uk-3xs-custom-am4-pc-bundle
That link takes you to the Scan AM4 bundle page, where you can assemble a Ryzen based bundle. For example, the TUF B450, 3600X, 16GB of 3200MHz DDR4, and Dark Rock 4 can be had for £500. This would be a pretty good set up. It may be worth stepping up to 32GB of RAM if budget allows (£577), as although 16GB is 'enough' for now, it doesn't give you much breathing room for the next few years.
Changing to the 3700X (with 32GB of RAM) brings the price to £674, but I'd probably recommend an AIO water cooler with that CPU, something like the H100i (avoid the H100x) for a total of £715.
Let me know if you need any more help on specific build advice - if you provide a budget I can perhaps be of more use, or even do a bit of shopping around.
As a side note - if you buy a B450 motherboard as a standalone (i.e. NOT in a pre-configured bundle), it may not support the new Ryzen CPUs out of the box. There is a solution for this, but it can be a bit of a faff. Let me know if you intend to buy your parts individually and I will go into it further. If you're buying a bundle from Scan or another reputable seller, this should not be a problem.
That's really solid advice. Thanks so much for taking the time, especially on your birthday! I think I'm going with the more expensive set up so I'm going to wait just a few weeks more. Looking at the prices it'll be more worth it to Push to the slightly higher near 700 Mark
From what I've read & seen changing the coolers on the new Ryzens makes very little difference in how fast they'll run, only how hot they run, so if you're not planning on doing anything more than gaming & general use I reckon just the stock cooler will be fine if you don't wanna go all in on the price just yet - Wraith Prism RGB vs. 360mm Liquid Cooler, Ryzen 9 3900X (https://youtu.be/2Wzhh3zH9Hs)
Yeah, my avoidance of stock coolers and recommendation of the AIO was not a performance thing... Heat means noise, and noise is bad! :roflmao: I'm a fan of a cool and quiet PC, so I suppose my suggestions might often be coloured in such a way :D .
It's not that I would say not to do it, but it's not like the system won't run fine with the stock cooler, you can always save a few quid later on & chuck something better on if you feel the need, as I mentioned before I'm looking at the 3700x as an upgrade myself & I plan on trying the stock cooler out 1st - if it sucks then I'll abuse the bank balance a little more!
Absolutely, it's a very sensible approach. And credit to AMD, these stock coolers are a considerable step up from Intel's monstrosities. :lmfao:
I hope you'll both post up how your builds go in the end, always good to see the results.
I'll definitely be taking pictures, planning on going all in - new monitor, desk, pc, I think the only things that will survive will be a few hdd's & my mouse & keyboard.
Quote from: RizZy;438371think the only things that will survive will be a few hdd's & my mouse & keyboard.
HDD Is still a thing?
I last used spinning platters about 3-4 years ago - even my 10y old laptop has a SSD now.
I took advantage of Amazon Prime Day and picked up a Samsung 1TB SSD for £99 (now back to £132).
Best upgrade ever.
And just to echo a few others thoughts here - I've been rocking a watercooled setup for 2 years now - Kraken X61 AIO CPU cooler and a Vega64 Liquid Cooled reference card. This isn't for overclock - it's for noise reduction.
I hardly hear this beast!
OK, it *is* overclocked, but it's the same OC I had on air, just now on water.
Just a couple of old storage drives full of junk, systems on a SSD & I plan on going for something like you with a 1TB SSD for games & etc's
The 3700x is really a brilliant CPU so far, installed it a few days ago.
Sadly i made the mistake of forgetting a AM4 bracket for my AIO cooler, so forced to use the Wraith prism till it arrives.
Its so noisy ;)
Dunno if you've brought anything yet or are planning on going with an MSI board Galatoni, but MSI are releasing newer versions of some of their 300 & 400 series board that come with extra support for the new Ryzens - https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/msi-launches-new-revisions-of-amd-300-and-400-motherboards-with-32mb-firmware.html
I'm putting it off just got now. But these suggestions are really good. Just going to get some Knuckles for my vive. I'm going to see what prices do with the new releases on the horizon. It's looking very much like I'm going to be joining AMD again though. :) There's just no comparison between the prices/performance.
Quote from: Twyst;438373HDD Is still a thing?
I last used spinning platters about 3-4 years ago - even my 10y old laptop has a SSD now.
I took advantage of Amazon Prime Day and picked up a Samsung 1TB SSD for £99 (now back to £132).
Best upgrade ever.
And just to echo a few others thoughts here - I've been rocking a watercooled setup for 2 years now - Kraken X61 AIO CPU cooler and a Vega64 Liquid Cooled reference card. This isn't for overclock - it's for noise reduction.
I hardly hear this beast!
OK, it *is* overclocked, but it's the same OC I had on air, just now on water.
What PSU do you have for the Vega? I'm on a 500w for my rx470 and thinking it might not be enough for either of the Vega cards?
Hey i'm looking to build a new pc with around 1700euros max to spend (I'm in the Netherlands)
https://www.alternate.nl/html/configurator/builder/loadSharedConfiguration.html?kind=pcBuilder&id=a286c7b963def3ffcbb3e679e64bbe6e I've currently got this scrambled together as an idea but i'm sure it's good, i do want to buy a good 144hz monitor with it
I'm sure it's not good*
Quote from: Hellmate;438533Hey i'm looking to build a new pc with around 1700euros max to spend (I'm in the Netherlands)
https://www.alternate.nl/html/configurator/builder/loadSharedConfiguration.html?kind=pcBuilder&id=a286c7b963def3ffcbb3e679e64bbe6e I've currently got this scrambled together as an idea but i'm sure it's good, i do want to buy a good 144hz monitor with it
Avoid the 2700X now the Ryzen 3000s are out - get the 3700X instead.
That B450 motherboard is theoretically fine, but it will likely not support the CPU out of the box. The older motherboards require bios updates to support the new CPUs.
I strongly suggest anyone purchasing a new Ryzen CPU read through the link below. Many motherboards will be easy to update with a simple USB drive, but some may require a bit more tinkering... Just make sure you know what you're getting yourself into before purchasing.
https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-100
Quote from: Chaosphere;438536Avoid the 2700X now the Ryzen 3000s are out - get the 3700X instead.
That B450 motherboard is theoretically fine, but it will likely not support the CPU out of the box. The older motherboards require bios updates to support the new CPUs.
I strongly suggest anyone purchasing a new Ryzen CPU read through the link below. Many motherboards will be easy to update with a simple USB drive, but some may require a bit more tinkering... Just make sure you know what you're getting yourself into before purchasing.
https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-100
Thank you for your response and advice, i've changed up the 2700X to a 3700X and would ASUS PRIME X470-PRO, socket AM4 be better for this or would it be the same issue? i could then also go for GIGABYTE AORUS X570 AORUS ELITE, socket AM4
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I've taken the plunge and am busy building the above at the moment... on the lookout for a 144Hz 1440p 27" IPS screen in the coming months i think..
Quote from: Hellmate;438539Thank you for your response and advice, i've changed up the 2700X to a 3700X and would ASUS PRIME X470-PRO, socket AM4 be better for this or would it be the same issue? i could then also go for GIGABYTE AORUS X570 AORUS ELITE, socket AM4
If you take a look at - link (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9_E3h8bLp-TXr-0zTJFqqVxdCR9daIVNyMatydkpFA/htmlview?sle=true#gid=0) & compare the mobos you're interested in you can see on there how well they'll support the new chips & whether they've got usb bios flashback on them too.
+ looking at your original build I'd consider just going with the cpu cooler that comes with the 3700x - you can always upgrade later if you feel the need, & Ryzen loves fast ram too, so consider sticking something faster than 3000 in there.
Quote from: RizZy;438542If you take a look at - link (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9_E3h8bLp-TXr-0zTJFqqVxdCR9daIVNyMatydkpFA/htmlview?sle=true#gid=0) & compare the mobos you're interested in you can see on there how well they'll support the new chips & whether they've got usb bios flashback on them too.
+ looking at your original build I'd consider just going with the cpu cooler that comes with the 3700x - you can always upgrade later if you feel the need, & Ryzen loves fast ram too, so consider sticking something faster than 3000 in there.
Thank you for your advice and the chart, would 3600 be enough or is 3200 already plenty for the ram speed?
From what I read on the older motherboards the "sweet spot" was 3200 cl14, AMD recomoneds 3600 cl16 for the new x570 boards, problem with both of those is you'll have to pay a premium for both, so for me what I think I'll probably do is go for something with looser timings but try my luck at oc'ing them a bit, a good little vid on the speeds & the lack of difference beyond a certain point is - https://youtu.be/CloyuBw_E_0
i love the ryzen when it works..
So far ive been what i hope is just unlucky with the memory.
First set of vengeance died violently.
Second vengeance were unstable and had a few bad areas.
Then i tried a 3600C16 G.skill ripjaw 5 kit. Refuses to run stable on anything then 2133.
Now testing out a G.skill flareX F4-3200C16 set. which passed memtest on first go..
G.skill flareX kit works like a charm so far.
After a little testing and reading.
Apparently there some issues with certain kits XMP profiles. Causing instability and audio distortion for some reason.
Retested the G.skill 3600C16 by manually setting speed and timings. Kit ran stable through 2 hours of prime95 and a 4 pass memtest86
Vengeance kits were faulty, nothing to do about that :)
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I've taken the plunge and am busy building the above at the moment... on the lookout for a 144Hz 1440p 27" IPS screen in the coming months i think..
I bought the 2TB QVO drive, so far I see it running pretty much as fast for read and write as the EVOs.
Save opening a new thread for what should be a simple question...is the X version of Ryzen worth the money if you don't expect to overclock?
Depending where you're buying it from, scan do an awesome bundle (i've just bought it today). I'd certainly say that the boost speed you get from it should be worth it, so it'll happily manage heat/speed for you, the 3700X for example will boost right up to 4.4. Pretty good article explaining it here: https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/ryzen-7-3700x-overclocking-benchmarks-performance
I've never been much for overclocking, it's quite risky and you're likely to reduce the life of what would otherwise be an excellent system.
Quote from: Galatoni;439044I've never been much for overclocking, it's quite risky and you're likely to reduce the life of what would otherwise be an excellent system.
Sorry Gal but I completely disagree with this bit ( :D ) - Overclocking needn't be risky and does nothing to reduce expected practical longevity if done with appropriate prior research and a modicum of sense. It has become a very consumer-friendly process, with very little downside if approached correctly. That said, there really is very little benefit to Overclocking these days - which I am sure we can agree on.
What I mean by that is, most components are running close enough to their peak performance out of the box that Overclocking really gets you very little gain for the time and effort invested. Thus, for most people, there is no need, and no real reason to buy unlocked CPUs unless you
want to Overclock for enjoyment purposes.
whatever i get will be a huge improvement on my current setup (i5 4440, 8gb ddr3), just if im looking at a big upgrade I don't want to be doing it again in a couple of years, hence also getting a rtx2060 or similar on black Friday....
A potato generating a few millivolts is an improvement over a 4400*. Enjoy the upgrade. :D
*Joking, nothing wrong with this CPU - my better half is still on my old 4770.
Quote from: Chaosphere;439050A potato generating a few millivolts is an improvement over a 4400*. Enjoy the upgrade. :D
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Thing is I agree with you!
As someone suggested re getting a system from Scan. Last year they did do some cracking black friday system deals. If you can wait a few weeks.
Also the earlier metioned chip "3700X" doesn't have a non X version so it's the only one to go for.
Just know that Ryzen 3000 chips have been very well reported recently to not hit the advertised boost clocks.
If your gaming, go intel. If your multi thread work loading get a ryzen.
Quote from: Mikep1212;439056Also the earlier metioned chip "3700X" doesn't have a non X version so it's the only one to go for.
Just know that Ryzen 3000 chips have been very well reported recently to not hit the advertised boost clocks.
If your gaming, go intel. If your multi thread work loading get a ryzen.
hopefully the issue with the boost clocks on AMD has a fix incoming - https://twitter.com/AMDRyzen/status/1168901636162539536
PSUs...if I get a gold rated one, would 600w be enough for a single gpu, say a rx5700 or other amd as they are more power hungry and a standard motherboard/CPU with no overclock? Or can I even go to 550? I currently have a 500w bronze aerofoil integrator which works fine for the past 3 years, but the Mrs said if I'm changing so much I may as well start from scratch - so that's everything bar SSD drives monitor and HDD drives
The efficiency rating doesn't matter so much. A Bronze 600W PSU and a Gold 600W PSU both deliver 600W to your pc, but the bronze draws more power from the wall to do so. The gold therefore produces less heat and costs less to run.. but the differences may actually be slight, especially when both are being run at loads close to say 400-500W.
That said, I would recommend at least a 600-650W PSU for most gaming builds. What does matter, is avoiding running the PSU near its max for long periods. Although a 500W may be technically fine, with little headroom it will be running a higher load proportionally for much of its lifespan - which may be shortened as a result.
Cheers, just playing the waiting game for any offers on decent brand ones... following mike's tip about black Friday for the main kit, but the more bits I can get before hand, the less hit the credit card will take.
I'll play with pc partpicker over the next week, and you can tell me how rubbish it is ,lol (looking at 1k maximum though for budget)
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1045610-new-psu-tier-list/
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Pdbq6s
This look ok? Or are there any obvious improvements? (Using my existing SSD drives, k/b, etc...)
As per mike's advice, I'll not be ordering until black Friday for hopefully some deals, but I will get bits like case, PSU when they are on offer...
In the sale, I'd try to get faster ram to pair with your Ryzen chip.
Go for the Tomahawk Max instead of the standard one - it's got a bit better support for the Ryzen 3000 stuff, + as Mike says, faster Ram if you can afford a bit more.
ryzen ok for gaming now?
AGESA ABBA released.
https://youtu.be/uONwWk1Pa7U
Quote from: Sneakytiger;439135ryzen ok for gaming now?
Always has been hasn't it? just Intel was still lots quicker than AMD was, but the new stuff has caught up pretty well.
Well, my wallet is a bit lighter :-)
Powercolour RX5700XT GPU
r5 3600,
Tomahawk max B450,
16gb corsair vengeance 3600,
Riotoro 650w gold PSU.
Nice, you going with the standard cooler on the cpu or are you gonna put something else on it?
Think standard for now, give it a couple of months to bed in then see what my temps are like
I lasted for about 2 weeks before the noise from the wraith one on mine got too me & I swapped it out.