Hi Folks,
So I waited patiently for 14:00 yesterday when the new RTX 3080 was planned to start appearing. I was after the founders editions because of the innovative cooling it has and and the fact it's a little more narrow than the other brands so my mATX should benefit
On the button, I had one in my basket, but it never let me get to the payment screen. And now, all gone!
I was looking through the other options and having bought MSI for the 980 I had, then Gigabyte for the 1080Ti, I felt that if I cannot get a founders edition, then at least get a better alternative. EVGA keep coming back time after time as a great quality brand.
I was wondering what others think of EVGA, anyone own one of their products? Also had experience of customer service and returns?
Also does anyone know any websites that are able to track stock of items? I guess it's US centric: https://www.zoolert.com/computers/videocards/nvidia/rtx-3080/
Cheers,
Bert
EVGA are excellent imo. They are also they only brand I know of that do NOT void the warranty if you remove the air cooling and slap a waterblock onto it. Someone mentioned MSI also do this, but having checked into it they don't do it any more, certainly not in the UK/EU.
Reports are that bots snaffled up most of the 3080 stock yesterday. I'm waiting to see if the EVGA hydro copper comes out soon, its either that or wait to see fi the EVGA air-cooled gets a compatible EK waterblock.
Quote from: TeaLeaf;443101EVGA are excellent imo. They are also they only brand I know of that do NOT void the warranty if you remove the air cooling and slap a waterblock onto it. Someone mentioned MSI also do this, but having checked into it they don't do it any more, certainly not in the UK/EU.
Reports are that bots snaffled up most of the 3080 stock yesterday. I'm waiting to see if the EVGA hydro copper comes out soon, its either that or wait to see fi the EVGA air-cooled gets a compatible EK waterblock.
I found the same reports of EVAGa as well, thanks. nVidia's website is terrible, no captcha fields, very American, in that any old credit card will work probably without even address verification. So I can see how bots would have a field day. The only security is 1 card per order.
I've owned a Gigabyte water cooled 1080Ti for the last 3 years and there's no doubt it's a very stable card, noisey radiator fan with a proprietary pin config. It did however add 35% to the cost of the card therefore if the manufacturers exploit this opportunity, the water block cards will probably be around 1K. I think with £700 as the high end air cooled price, £300 is a lot to play with to convet to water. Also the new water coolers will have double radiators, and that's not an option for my case due to space. I'd guess November/ December for the hybrid cards to start appearing. but somtimes they take even longer, the 1080Ti took a good 6 months.
So to me if I get the air cooled EVGA card, and it doesn't work out for whatever reason, then I'll just retrofit a block on there, or sell the card for small loss.
I placed an order for: https://www.alternate.nl/EVGA/GeForce-RTX-3080-XC3-Ultra-Gaming-grafische-kaart/html/product/1674164? mainly because of the 30 day return and free cancellation, plus the order is only accepted when stock is available. I would still be happy to revert back to a founders card but if this EVGA turns up fast and is looking nice, then I'll stick with it. Interesting, it is the only one quoting a boost clock speed of higher than 9MHz more than base. 1755Mhz, whether I use it or not suggests they are confident in their QC.
Yep retro fit is likely where I will end up, but I am waiting for the EK website to confirm EVGA compatibility which thus far they have not :sad:
Quote from: TeaLeaf;443103Yep retro fit is likely where I will end up, but I am waiting for the EK website to confirm EVGA compatibility which thus far they have not :sad:
They would have to be all-in-one for me to bite, unelss I build a new PC with a larger case. I suspect, the air cooling is going to stick with me for a while. The EVGA one I chose is 2.2 slots in size, so I have a nice clearance below the card for airflow directly in line with my case front fans.
I will never buy another EVGA after I have had 2 go pop on me. Some people love them and have had no issuse but twice bitten all the time shy.
The RMA where fine took time as they usually do but no faith in them, got back the last one and sold it, as I had brought a gigabyte card while waiting. Gigabyte cards I have not had a issue with and continue to buy.
Quote from: BrotherTobious;443105I will never buy another EVGA after I have had 2 go pop on me. Some people love them and have had no issuse but twice bitten all the time shy.
The RMA where fine took time as they usually do but no faith in them, got back the last one and sold it, as I had brought a gigabyte card while waiting. Gigabyte cards I have not had a issue with and continue to buy.
Interesting, I had to RMA the Gigabyte 1080Ti Water, the pump went bad, it took 5 months to return to me. Now the replacement fan is noisey a hell. that's the only graphics cards I ever had problems with.
I think we can agree that OEMs are terrible at repairs.
I think they are all pretty much of a muchness with minor variation between the tiers. What I value about EVGA is the warranty. When you want to drop a chunk of money of a new graphics card the last thing you want to have happen is to lose the warranty on day one when you remove the air cooling and install a water block. EVGA are the only ones I know of who honour the warranty after I have removed their air cooling, so that weighs heavily in the decision making.
If it was air cooled I'd probably go ASUS as my personal experience with their products and in particular their RMA prices had been excellent.
Had an EVGA 690 classified, and now using a Zotac amp extreme 1080. Didn't have any issues with the 690 but that one was very expensive. The fist Zotac had issues immediately, but no problems with the rma, its replacement is still kicking and capable of running anything I throw at it.
Planning to buy either a 3080 or a 3090, but depends whats on offer. Will be waiting until AMD release their cards though.
The Aorus Gigabyte card I use now still has 1 year of it's 4 year warranty to run. Albeit that does not cover modification. So if a long warranty is required then Aorus is definately worth considering.
Quote from: Gorion;443109Had an EVGA 690 classified, and now using a Zotac amp extreme 1080. Didn't have any issues with the 690 but that one was very expensive. The fist Zotac had issues immediately, but no problems with the rma, its replacement is still kicking and capable of running anything I throw at it.
Planning to buy either a 3080 or a 3090, but depends whats on offer. Will be waiting until AMD release their cards though.
So far I've read reviews stating up to a 21% overall increase from 3080 to 3090. For 100% more cost. I'm also not sure how PCIE 4 will influence performance but for sure 21% seems not to add up in terms of price jump. Also there is mention of an even more powerful Titan model around the beginnning of next year so the 3090 may drop on release of the upgrade. I still can't find a use case for justifying the 3090. I think I could replace my case, motherboard, CPU, RAM and get another 2TB of SSD for the price of that card.
Quote from: albert;443110The Aorus Gigabyte card I use now still has 1 year of it's 4 year warranty to run. Albeit that does not cover modification. So if a long warranty is required then Aorus is definately worth considering.
I will never buy Gigabyte again. My Aorus 1080ti died 1 month after the 3 year warranty expired (According to Gigabyte definitely 3 years despite info saying 4).
Their support were rubbish with boiler plate responses and they basically said tough luck mate.
Quote from: Whitey;443118I will never buy Gigabyte again. My Aorus 1080ti died 1 month after the 3 year warranty expired (According to Gigabyte definitely 3 years despite info saying 4).
Their support were rubbish with boiler plate responses and they basically said tough luck mate.
That's not good.
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/75244/gigabyte-confirms-geforce-rtx-3080-with-20gb-model-3070-16gb/amp.html
I would hold off for the time being. My initial reaction to the 3080 was that its vram seemed a little anaemic, given that a 1080ti from years ago released with 11gb. Probably not a problem right now, but if you like to keep cards for a few years, a 20gb version makes more sense.
Not that you have any choice, they're like gold dust for now!
As for brand I have always bought Asus and never had a problem. I've not needed to test their warranties so I cant comment there.
As a side note, I've heard that many manufacturers will honour warranties with cards you've changed the coolers on, despite the little stickers on the cards saying otherwise. I wouldn't personally be too put off by that, I've opened up every gpu I've ever owned... but of course, do so at your own risk.
Watched this the other day. Quite like this guys channel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq7ef7sKryg
This one benchmarks the FE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32GE1bfxRVo
i'm holding off till about novenber time when the ti and super editions will most likely be released.
I cancelled my order. I felt things were moving too slow in terms of delivery and too fast in terms of AMD.
Component problems are emerging as users are discovering what is causing the crash to desktop problem being seen. AIB partners seem to have swapped out some of the important 'more expensive' MLCC components on the reference design and put in cheaper (and noisier) POSCAPs. Reference Design uses 5 x POSCAP + 1 x MLCC. Some 3080's have 4 x POSCAP + 2 x MLCC. The problem cards seem to be the ones running 6 x POSCAP and zero MLCC. The really nasty side is that if you have really good cooling, the GPU Boost kicks in more, so the interference gets worse and the GPU crashes more. So if you watercool your GPU then you're in the worst situation of all (ignoring LN2 etc).
The really interesting article explaining the problem is here:
https://www.igorslab.de/en/what-real-what-can-be-investigative-within-the-crashes-and-instabilities-of-the-force-rtx-3080-andrtx-3090/
For those who want the simplified version, the article spawned the below JayzTwoCents video.
[video=youtube;x6bUUEEe-X8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6bUUEEe-X8[/video]
Perhaps only buy one with the 6 x MLCC's andd no POSCAP's. Or wait until they all change out the cheap components for a minimum of 2 x MLCC's.
I'd love to get one on the bench and test the difference between Tantalum and ceramic capacitors. says more about the silicon than it does the other components.
Quote from: TeaLeaf;443146Perhaps only buy one with the 6 x MLCC's andd no POSCAP's. Or wait until they all change out the cheap components for a minimum of 2 x MLCC's.
From the Jay video, the founders cards (80 and 90) had 2 x MLCCs and 4 x POSCAP. MSI had the same as the founders (top end MSI), EVGA and iColour (or whatever that was) had 6 x POSCAP.
So what's the liklihood of actually ever seeing a 6 x MLCC card?
https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/evga-nvidia-rtx-3080-capacitor-caused-crashes
EVGA denying responsibility. Claiming they fixed all 6 POSCAP version post launch. Pre-launch samples had the bad config still.
If you still haven't received your 3080 or 3090 it might be worth watching this and then deciding if you need to cancel and switch brand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6bUUEEe-X8
it seems that some companies skimped on the power delivery and in the 6 array delivery system used either 5 POSCAPS and 1 MLCC group (cheaper) or 6 POCAPS and 0 MLCC groups (cheapest). For info the nvidia FE cards have 2 MLCC groups , the RTX 3080 ASUS TUF Gaming OC has 6 MLCC groups
EVGA release statement confirming why they didn't release their cards on the release date as they found the issue on theirs. https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/evga-nvidia-rtx-3080-capacitor-caused-crashes
more info here
https://videocardz.com/newz/manufacturers-respond-to-geforce-rtx-3080-3090-crash-to-desktop-issues
Link to cards POCCAP and MLCC Group counts (with sources), remember 5 or 6 POSCAPS is bad and 2 or more MLCC Groups is good
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/izmi1k/ampere_poscapmlcc_counts/
ref article (English text, German video)
The other thread has discussion on this already mate.
I looked for similar "titled" threads but didn't see any, so posted this. So the moral of the story is maybe a new thread should have been started when that thread started discussing this issue. I didnt see those comments so thought it hadnt been discussed. At least people can see it easier now
I wrote out an entire post before and it seems to have disappeared.
Anyone considering a 3080 is probably better off waiting until AMD show their hand on Oct 28th. Things point to the card being close to the 3080 in terms of performance (I've see some suggestions it may perform better) and with 16gb vram compared to the 10gb on the 3080. What this likely means is when AMD announce something Nvidia will have something to counter them and there have been so many leaks from AIBs pointing to the Ti/Super variants of these cards. Certainly seems from the leaks so far a 20gb variant of the 3080 card is in the pipelin and will likely be their counter to whatever AMD announce.
I'd be quite mad if I managed to get a 3080 and in a short space of time a 20gb variant came out. It's going to happen, Nvidia do this all the time.
(when referring to MLCC below, one MLCC refers to 'a block of 10 MLCCs being arranged in the same area that a single POSCAP covers'. You need ten of the smaller MLCC caps to get the total capacity needed and equivalent to the single POSCAP)Video shows EVGA had one MLCC, not none. EVGA says they use two MLCC. Some review samples had none! Digging further, it seems that the EVGA FTW3 uses two MLCC, the EVGA XC3 uses one MLCC.
Gigabyte uses zero MLCC.
Colorful/iGAIN uses zero MLCC.
Reference Design (from the published BoM) uses one MLCC.
EVGA XC3 uses one MLCC.
Founder's Edition has two MLCC
EVGA FTW3 uses one MLCC.
MSI uses two MLCC.
ASUS TUF uses six MLCC.
Quote from: albert;443152So what's the liklihood of actually ever seeing a 6 x MLCC card?
From what they said, there is a 100% chance we will see a 3080 with six MLCC as ASUS TUF already does (according to the video). What makes it more interesting is that if you go to somewhere like Scan or Overclockers, the pictures of the ASUS TUF show six POSCAPs, so perhaps these were very early review samples?
As has been suggested, wait for the AMD launch, if for no other reason than more VRAM. I seem to recall that there is already a game out there that wants you to have 16GB VRAM. /looks at his 2GB VRAM GPU and gulps :blush:
Never buy GPUs within the first few months of launch, its just daft. Let the kinks get ironed out and supply kick in, at least.
As others have said... AMD, 20GB... just wait, you've managed with whatever set up you have for this long, another month or two won't hurt.
That or... 3090 buy buy buy yes yes many frames, good value. Wow.*
:flirty:
*Happy to accept donor 3090s for Christmas. Not a problem.
Sulky's thread merged.
OP thread title slightly amended.
The 3090 honestly seems a bit of a disapointment, it's around 10-15% faster gaming wise for 2x the price. It was marketed as a Titan card but they have'nt unlocked some features that available on the previous Titan card so in 1 or 2 benchamrks it's something like 30% slower which is just insane. That and it takes upwards of 400w in some instances you need a small power plant for the thing.
Seems Nvidia went with that Samsung 8nm chip which by all accounts it a bit gash and just threw watts at the thing to get the results you see now.
yeah, as i said earlier in the thread I'm not impressed with this new Samsung Silicon.
Seems to be very unstable and is being run right on the edge to get anything like a decent bench.
always best to wait till the dusts settled, we havent seen what amd have got up there sleeves yet.
I've had to reduce the core clock on my 3090 by 200MHz to keep it stable. Seems like a common problem of game crashes when they boost above 2GHz.
3080 in a mini itx case....its a go!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2s-q34FX7c
I have to say the whole thing has made me just sit back and wait. I was waiting for water cooling blocks to become available, but whereas I was a shoe-in for an nVidia purchase I'm now waiting for the AMD release and will just take my time making my purchase decision. I simply don't think it is right to buy a card and then have it crash unless you underclock it. This launch is a real embarrassment for nVida imho.
[video=youtube;Moc-kV9wmL0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Moc-kV9wmL0[/video]
The latest Geforce drivers (456.55) resolved the issues I had and I'm back running at standard clock with no issues for two days. :D
MSI confirmed the fix in the support case I logged.
I'll be honest and say I'd still be more than a little miffed if I'd bought a card already and had the problem fixed through a new driver slowing my card down. Now I hear what you are saying, standard clock is working again, but my understanding is that the standard clock wasn't the problem, it was the boost clock which is what the driver has reduced, thus improving stability? I really am happy that yours is working, but I'd feel a little cheated if it were me.
Update: An Nvidia representative reached out to say the company hasn’t “done anything to lock the GPU to sub-2 GHz operation with the new driver.â€
To put this in proper context, these maximum GPU Boost clock speeds remain well above the rated boost speeds for these cards. The “fix†results in such a minor speed difference that you won’t practically notice it in the game itself.
https://www.pcworld.com/article/3583894/nvidia-fix-rtx-3080-crashes-new-drivers-clock-speed.html
Quote from: TeaLeaf;443237I'll be honest and say I'd still be more than a little miffed if I'd bought a card already and had the problem fixed through a new driver slowing my card down. Now I hear what you are saying, standard clock is working again, but my understanding is that the standard clock wasn't the problem, it was the boost clock which is what the driver has reduced, thus improving stability? I really am happy that yours is working, but I'd feel a little cheated if it were me.
When I say it's back to standard, I mean the base and boost speeds. I don't know what they have done but the boost is showing up to 2GHz which is what should be expected in OC card. Before the driver update, the game would crash when it got near 2GHz.
It could be that it is stopping the boost lasting longer than it should (higher temps for too long maybe). Anyway, I'm more than happy with my purchase :D
Replied before reading the MikeP linked article...
I don't buy that they have not changed something in the boost speed. A lot of articles are referencing reductions in boost speed with the new driver with supporting bench testing. This one even shows the driver change adjusted boost speeds from 2025MHz to between 1980MHz and 1995MHz, which is in line with most of the -50MHz reports.
https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/nvidia-rtx-3080-crashes-are-reportedly-fixed-as-new-gpu-driver-lowers-boost-speeds
They also shot themselves in the foot by only issuing the reference design to AIB partners on (?)3rd September (I may have got the precise date wrong, but it was beginning of September). Issuing FE to reviewers before giving the reference design to AIB partners is somewhat daft because to my ignorant mind I would assume it takes slightly long to design a custom pcb than it does to do a youtube review and AIB partners ended up with only three weeks to design, manufacture sell their boards, so tight tolerances or sloppy parameters are more likely to bite them in the rear.
Whether it is electrical interference or over-enthusiastically marketed boost speeds, I think the overall feeling is of disappointment. They chose the release date and then pooched it with a board that doesn't do what they said it would do - and saying 'we only guarantee the core speed' doesn't cut it when you market the heck out of the boost. Does it mean I am not impressed with the performance of the board, no. I'd still be mightily impressed with it in my system, but my confidence in nVidia is reduced somewhat. I expect driver updates post-launch to improve and refine performance, not stop the card crashing to desktop. Realease the hardware when it is ready, releasing it to AIB partners early enough helps you find those annoying glitches pre-launch and then you don't get the public disappointment and bad press.
I am still likely to end up buying an nVidia card, but the issues have just made me wait to see what AMD do and for stability to appear. (I think I'm more sensitive to the stability issue as water-cooled cards would boost more, so are likely to crash more)
Posted before Whitey's reply! Glad yours is stable now Whitey :thumbsup:
[video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9r0DNNpyTA&[/video]
Crossing MSI off of the list.
Yeah saw that too. Not good.
Worthy supplemental from Reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/j6idky/msi_scalping_their_own_3080s_on_ebay_links/
pc gamer looking at big navi benches....
https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-rx-6000-beats-rtx-3080-kinda/?utm_content=buffercf5c5&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=buffer_pcgamerfb&fbclid=IwAR39CV2GSDvz5EVtK2DvxilhfHxSZRkZQ7hVqrnuETEJucSdiHZB-kcc2Ms
I understand why they ran that article.. but I'm waiting for actual reviews and comparisons from third parties rather than trusting what AMD put on their slides! I dont think it can really be relied upon to make actual conclusions, personally.
That said, I really hope navi can compete with a 3080. Itd be fantastic for AMD to have viable options in both the CPU and GPU space.
Quote from: Chaosphere;443320That said, I really hope navi can compete with a 3080. Itd be fantastic for AMD to have viable options in both the CPU and GPU space.
And even if they can't, I hope they get close and have a good launch with no BS issues. I agree, the world needs 2 options. nVidia has had it too good for long enough.
Spot on!
Same story with intel for CPUs.
so if big navi comes in at the same price as the 3080 and preforms like it,i would still buy nvidea.
Quote from: Sneakytiger;443328so if big navi comes in at the same price as the 3080 and preforms like it,i would still buy nvidea.
Ok, I'll bite. Why? What drives your preference?
Operationally we know they will be different, so what would the difference have to be to change your choice?
Software and Drivers have been AMDs downfall since retaking some of the market.
Look here for a consolidated list of the 3080s and 3090s with various capacitor mixes:
https://new.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/izhpvs/the_possible_reason_for_crashes_and_instabilities/g6jivta/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
ASUS gets a pat on the back for their level of quality from the outset.
Can't wait for the 28th to see what AMD have up their sleeve.
Already done that on page 3 of this thread mate :D
Quote from: sulky_uk;443443Already done that on page 3 of this thread mate :D
Oops, hehe you got me back.
I finally snagged a 3080. https://www.msi.com/Graphics-Card/GeForce-RTX-3080-SUPRIM-X-10G/Overview. megekko.nl in Netherlands seems to be very useful and getting the odd single unit and daily they are getting more choice.
I quite honestly was not seeing any super compelling reason to get an AMD card. Plus the wait for one of them could be quite long. Arrives next week.
Quote from: albert;443759I finally snagged a 3080. https://www.msi.com/Graphics-Card/GeForce-RTX-3080-SUPRIM-X-10G/Overview. megekko.nl in Netherlands seems to be very useful and getting the odd single unit and daily they are getting more choice.
I quite honestly was not seeing any super compelling reason to get an AMD card. Plus the wait for one of them could be quite long. Arrives next week.
Nice one, Albert :thumb:
That MSI website had me chuckling in places - 'Finishing touches' and 'Angle to add finesse' :D
Supply has definitely caused me some issues and I have ended up just putting it on hold until the supply sorts itself out. Prices for the custom boards need to settle too as at the moment otherwise you end up paying more than needed for the performance. Gratz on getting your 3080 though!
Quote from: OldBloke;443762Nice one, Albert :thumb:
That MSI website had me chuckling in places - 'Finishing touches' and 'Angle to add finesse' :D
Yeah I know, they are rather artistic in their descriptive approach. My feeling is it has proven cooling technology and whilst it can be overclocked I expect to run it at stock speeds. My biggest challenge is heat removal as my case is mATX (I have 3 slots spare after some relocation of other cards). But on the flip side, I will not need a radiator fan from the old 1080Ti. so I can slot in a better BeQuiet fan I have ready for this. I paid a little more than I expected. Non-founders versions seem to be about £100 over, this is about £150 over the founder price. It actually shouldn't be a ripoff since it's from an official supplier.
Quote from: Chaosphere;443282[video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9r0DNNpyTA&[/video]
Crossing MSI off of the list.
Official supplier eh
:D
Enjoy the card, should be a great performer. Looks like they're still very hard to get, so well done on finding one!
should i go with a 3080 to replace my ageing watercooled 1080 or wait in the ti version?
Quote from: Sneakytiger;443767should i go with a 3080 to replace my ageing watercooled 1080 or wait in the ti version?
Is your 1080 struggling with anything at the moment? If it runs everything fine then no. If some games are struggling then probably better to start understanding if it is a cpu bottleneck, vram cap or a graphics horsepower problem. If you're trying to drive an 8K monitor at 140Hz on a Pentium IV then it might be all three!
Theres 60k people in the drops discord group at the moment that are potentially looking for price gouged 3080's. Best plan if you're after one is to sit on your money until demand has died down next year and pick one up for MSRP. Only cards I've seen at MSRP have been the FE cards from Scan as they are the UK's only supplier for those but the demand for those right now is too high. Good luck though if you really need one in 2020
I totally recommend anyone wanting one of these new cards to camp out on every web site, obsessively click F5 and pay at least 25% more than the retail for whatever 3090 you end up buying.
Seriously, I wasted too much time waiting at supposed launches and trying to spot when there is stock. In NL the stock monitor sites are non-existent. Only that one site is good for updating stock as it arrives.
UK is lucky to have https://www.hotstock.io/uk. Seems to work if you get your alerts setup properly.
That's where I found that Curry's have stock for example:
https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing-accessories/components-upgrades/graphics-cards/msi-geforce-rtx-3080-10-gb-gaming-x-trio-graphics-card-10214425-pdt.html?awc=1599_1607159363_ce63cb8dc1d86308c4c7e56f18615d30&srcid=369&xtor=AL-1&cmpid=aff~https%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ehotstock%2Eio~Contextual%20Targeting~429199~StickyUX+Ltd
Place you'd least expect to find one! Not sure which store though as it doesn't say.
Scan are getting founders editions in batches each week but they go in a few minutes unless it's a 3090.
There's a live twich stream constantly checking for stock availability. Seems to be US and Canada stores, but if someone is desperate enough...
https://www.twitch.tv/falcodrin
yep i can wait till next year when the scalping has died down, can play games like cyperpunk on my sereis x anyway.
Still trying to decide between the 3070 & RX6800 atm.
Don't think I need the 3080 and trying to keep my build below £2k.
My next build will most probably be AMD. Have been an Nvidia fan boy since 2005. Had a Radeon card back then which died in 4 months and the shop I bought it from didn't honour the warranty. But now with the whole 3080 debacle and the performance AMD is offering is making them an interesting choice once again.
Quote from: smite;443781Still trying to decide between the 3070 & RX6800 atm.
Don't think I need the 3080 and trying to keep my build below £2k.
With the XT version of the 6800 being £30 more than the 6800, I see no good reason to not go higher. The reason I opted for the 3080 was a) it was available and b) There are no features on the AMD card that won't eventually appear on the nVidia, plus it has GDDR6X. Mainly a) to be honest, I would have bought whatever came available first.
I'm building the spec below from PC Specialist which includes a 3080 and is £2014. The case I originally wanted they don't have and their choices are less than half what they had.
Might wait until the new year and decide on full Intel or AMD then.
Case - COOLERMASTER SILENCIO S600 QUIET MID TOWER CASE
Processor (CPU) - AMD Ryzen 5 5600X Six Core CPU (3.7GHz-4.6GHz/35MB CACHE/AM4) (Pre-Order Only)
Motherboard - ASUS® TUF X570-PLUS GAMING (USB 3.2 Gen 2, PCIe 4.0, CrossFireX) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM) - 32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB PRO DDR4 3200MHz (4 x 8GB)
Graphics Card - 10GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3080 - HDMI, DP (Delivery before Xmas not guaranteed) (Pre-Order Only) Get CoD:Cold War & 1YR GeForce Now w/ select RTX Graphics Cards
1st Storage Drive - 2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 256MB CACHE
1st M.2 SSD Drive - 1TB INTEL® 665p M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 2000MB/sR | 1925MB/sW)
Power Supply - CORSAIR 750W TXm SERIESâ,,¢ SEMI-MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Processor Cooling - Corsair H115i RGB PLATINUM Hydro Series High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste - STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card - ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card - 10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
Wireless Network Card - WIRELESS 802.11N 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD
USB/Thunderbolt Options - MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System - Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KK3-00002]
I'd be inclined to go for a higher wattage on the PSU. The 3080 recommends 750W on the nose. My feeling from experience of owning a larger PSU than I really need is that is last longer and runs more efficiently. I could be wrong but over- spec on that part tends to be quite a good value upgrade.
Cheers, Will change it to an 850PSU and the 6800XT
So having installed a 3080 in my rather little mATX case had run it in for a few days, I feel it was probably the best computer component upgrade for me since the SSD.
I was curious since the card was running at a really high clock rate, a good 270MHz about the Founder edition base, 1980MHz. It seems the model I bouhgt has the power increased via the BIO to over 400W, lucky that 1000W PSU was in there.
Anyways, I found a review: https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/9676/msi-geforce-rtx-3080-suprim-the-most-premium-yet/index.html#Final-Thoughts
Having had no choice of card other than this one, I'll put it down to a bit of luck for a change, it's awesome. And Big:
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Yes that is a metal support rod on the right!
I also had a good go at a number of games, PUBG 144Hz Ultra was rather enjoyable. No Man's Sky VR, I was blown away with that so much so I started the game from scrath again as it also has full Oculus Controller support.
In short, other than the power consumption, and the 70-80 degree heat when at max clock, and the need for support due to the size and weight, it's awesome (and price but that wasn't going to stop me).
Nice one Albert.
That things looks massive (fnarr fnarr).
Is 1000W a maximum or minimum requirement for this card do you think?
I know the 3080's are heavy, I'm a little concerned how mine will be after shipping in the case.
I’ve had a 1000W in my PC for 5years. I like to overspec and at the time 850W was only 10% cheaper.
So the 850W will be fine. I’ve also been monitoring the GPU consumption and it’s not going over 300W even with high load. I can gather more data if you need it.
When using the PC configurator it said 650W would be enough, so I went 750W. Now that I've gone 850W I'm sure it will be fine :D.
Only one way to find out.
Last night the 3080 drew 350W whilst running Star Citizen. 850 is a good choice if this is a sign of things to come!
Where did you buy that metal support from Albert? Using this one since 2015, but its plastic and kind of weak.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/PowerColor-Power-Graphics-Support-Inches/dp/B003XID4Z4
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B079HN7QWJ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fabc_qbL2Fb130HFP5?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
I actually use this to prop up my monitor now... as moving to water meant my GPU no longer sags. :roflmao:
Does the job.
Quote from: Gorion;444005Where did you buy that metal support from Albert? Using this one since 2015, but its plastic and kind of weak.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/PowerColor-Power-Graphics-Support-Inches/dp/B003XID4Z4
The support came with the card. Pretty much the same as Chaos posted above.
Since receiving the new PC I've noticed the end of the big ass card sagging.
Had a look at your guys solutions but didn't want a bar sticking out....
After trying a few things, this is what I've settled on.
Calpol syringe outer, cut to 80mm with black insulation tape.
DeadPool draws your eyes away from it :narnar:
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Nice solution Smite. Difficult to believe they ship these without support as they are beasts. A wee bit of hard acrylic tubing also works for those that have some watercooling surplus lying around, but the Calpol solution is cheaper and sleeps better at night!
Smite, you don't technically need to have 3 separate power cables since they come with 2 x 8 pins each. I use 2 and I get the right power draw, just plug in the second 8 pin of one of the 2 cables to make a total of 3 x 8 pin connected.
The power is all coming from the same PSU, if that fails everything goes.
That might reduce the weight as they do look like they are really the cause of the problem. But still having these support sis a good move, nice idea.
To be honest mate, I hate the look of the cables and considering replacing them with dedicated GPU 2x8pin. Like below;
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They aren't cheap though. So will change them later.
(https://modpc.co.uk/products/8-pin-pcie-psu-cable?variant=31404576374861&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&gclid=CjwKCAiAxp-ABhALEiwAXm6Iyc4Yu28cJWSx7ipgn9qdAHA6Qy7wA5ubKKuBIa5JVdZjlgMxVaOXUBoCJPsQAvD_BwE)
That's interesting, are the connectors at the PSU standard? It never occured to me to replace a few of my dull default black cables from 2014.
You can buy extenders or replace them if they are modular.
Replacement (specific PSU)
CableMod Corsair Kit (https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cablemod-pro-modmesh-c-series-axi-hxi-and-rm-cable-kit-carbon-yellow-label-cm-13n-cm.html)
Individual extension
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cables/internal/power/braided-cables
upHere Graphics Card GPU Brace Support Video Card Sag Holder/Holster Bracket, Anodized Aerospace Aluminum, Single or Dual Slot Cards Black (G205): Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories (https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B079HSVSLR?linkCode=gs2&tag=gchblog-21)
take a look, might help.
You deffo need RGB GPU support.
https://www.scan.co.uk/products/deepcool-gh-01-graphics-card-support-adjustable-argb-base-extension-included-supports-cases-with-wit
RGB all of the things!
ALL OF THE THINGS!
I mean, when your motherboard needs to have 20 spare USB2 ports on board just to connect up all your functionally useless RGB crap.....
I could barely cover all the actual useful stuff like sensor and controller connections to be bothered with all that.
For £14.99 all the same it's not a bad item for the price.
I don't get all this RGB nonsense tbh, there's even mousepads with RBG... What's the point at looking at your mousepad when playing a game, wouldn't all the lights and colours be a distraction?