Hi all,
Just wondering who has had the vaccine, I had my first dose of the Oxford one yesterday and feel as if I've got the flu today and that my head is ready to explode.
Have you had any after-effects from getting a vaccine?.
Both myself and the missus have had ours. Like you, we both felt rough the following day but fine after the first 48 hours.
thanks OB, hopefully this will end soon what age range are you in if you don't mind me asking i'm curious what age ranges it affects i'm 31.
Had the Pfizer jab at the start of the month and felt pretty bad for a bit afterwards whilst my body worked on the antibodies.
Someone rang me the day after the jab to say they had messed up and given a stronger dose of something in it by a tiny fraction but it could cause a sorer arm and a bad head. They were just ringing for transparency...like I could do anything about it the day after :doh:
No news on the second one though
Quote from: TheDvEight;444853thanks OB, hopefully this will end soon what age range are you in if you don't mind me asking i'm curious what age ranges it affects i'm 31.
I'm twice your age +3 :)
Quote from: DannagE;444855... No news on the second one though
The logistics of the 2nd jab are a worry.
If 15m people have had the 1st jab then, assuming mass vaccinations started on Jan 1st, 15m people are due to get the 2nd jab starting April 1st.
Surely this takes up all available resources thus stopping the rollout of the 1st jabs :g:
Hopefully by the time we are giving 2nd doses en masse, the systems are developed enough to facilitate the increasing numbers. You have to hope that over time we are constantly improving delivery, increasing the number of vaccinations per day.
I had my vaccine a while back, and had COVID several months before. COVID was worse than the vaccine, which I think is my takehome message for anyone doubtful or concerned about the jab.
Yes there is a small chance of side effects (as with any medicine), and undoubtedly there will be an unlucky few with more troublesome complications. Sadly this is inevitable, but its important to remember that, statistically speaking, you're far more likely to suffer serious consequences as a result of COVID, than as a result of the vaccine.
had mine the other week, other than a bit of localised burning sensation i had nothing - tbh ive had flu jabs for the past 15+ years and only once or twice have i felt rough with them
Was offered my first dose at the end of the month and they booked my second jab in for May at the same time.
Next generation up in the family have (...apart from the one conspiracy nut :frusty:...) had their first doses - about half of them reported the headaches etc but otherwise all seem good.
I feel very far back in a very long queue myself :taz:
My sister won't have it - she is a carer thus her children won't she is a conspiracy nut also. the good news today is I only have a headache so feel a lot better. When did you guys book your 1st dose and not get your second booking? I booked both on the .gov website.
In a world awash with polarised views I wonder if the vaccinated / not vaccinated distinction will become a thing.
"Did you hear about Bert? He died of Covid!"
"Did he have the vaccination?"
"No."
"Well he's only got himself to blame then."
"Aye true."
After a very long haul I don't imagine a lot of people will shed a tear for dead anti vaccination advocates. While some are ignorant pedants who want to be contrary just to feel more important, some are genuinely delusional. Do people who seriously believe they are being injected with microscopic magical tracking devices deserve our derision or pity?
Just saw your post TheDVEight. It's a worry. My wife is a privately employed in a primary care worker role. Quite a few workers she knows had refused the jab and were suddenly unemployed, as none of their clients would then let them into their houses and into contact with their often very venerable children. It was surprising how many subsequently had a change of view and got the jab, when faced with no pay cheque!
Some people genuinely believe vaccines are dangerous. But I think too many just want to take a contrary view to feel important.
I will be getting it... eventually but as for the anti-vaxxer's I think it's more the case that things such as thalidomide still resonate and people cite the lack of time in approvals.
I heard a good analogy about that....
Imagine you're knitting a scarf which is 2000 metres long and you can knit one metre per day. It would take 2000 days to complete. Now imagine 1000 people knitting the scarf it would take 2 days. Same result but completed with a lot more resources.
I haven't had my letter inviting me to book an appointment yet, but the wife and I are crinkly enough to expect to get the invite before the end of April. We'll both have the vaccination.
For me the thing about those who choose not have the vaccination is not so much they might get COVID and die, that's their choice and their right. It's more that they might infect others along the way, so TheDvEight's and Smilo's comments resonate - it is hardly surprising that work starts to dry up and disappear for those that don't. Even though we know that someone with the vaccination still appears to be capable of being asymptomatic and passing the virus on, the figures seem ot say 'less' than those with the vaccination, so I'd want everyone to have the vaccination to minimise the risk.
I need to go and update my client engagement paperwork to add an extra question:
Q: Have you had the COVID-19 vaccination?
If you have answered 'No' to this question then regrettably we will decline to take you on as a client.
NB: My comments are not at all about someone who does not have the vaccination on medical advice, e.g. due to other conditions. Those individuals have valid reasons which I accept.
There's a few where I work that have said they don't want to get the vaccination, one guy in particular has spent the last 6-12 months in & out of hospital having checks done as he's having breathing problems & various lesions & all sorts, the Docs have no idea what's up with him but they do know his lungs are shagged - so the potential for covid to really mess him up if he should get it is presumably quite large, yet he's adamant he doesn't want the jab, last time I spoke to him about it it was all made up by China & Bill Gates just wants to put a chip in him, I told him he was a twat & that was the end of that conversation.
There's a point where you have to sort of accept evolutionary biology and let anti vaxxers get on with it.
Quote"There is no medication, lifestyle change, public health innovation, or medical procedure ever developed that has even come close to the life-saving, life-extending, and primary prevention benefits associated with vaccines."
S. Jay Olshansky, professor of epidemiology and biostatistics at the University of Illinois at Chicago School of Public Health
This is a weird thread to read if you (I) think its only logical to ask who is liable if something goes wrong, and this article https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/distributing-vaccines-and-treatments-for-covid-19-and-flu/consultation-document-changes-to-human-medicine-regulations-to-support-the-rollout-of-covid-19-vaccines (https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/distributing-vaccines-and-treatments-for-covid-19-and-flu/consultation-document-changes-to-human-medicine-regulations-to-support-the-rollout-of-covid-19-vaccines) makes it difficult to understand at best, but from what I see, not one of the companies or anyone administering it are, please correct me if I'm wrong here.
To use Pen's scarf analogy, the way I understand it is its 3 scarfs, 1000 people helped knit each scarf independently, not a single person on the work force is liable for the hole in the scarf, but it still keeps you kind of warm if you wear it just right.
I've accepted that this is an inevitable part of our / my life going forward, but to ignore the fact that these companies are making a lot of money off these products (a quick google can reveal (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/nov/10/pfizer-and-biontech-could-make-13bn-from-coronavirus-vaccine)) for me is a stark reminder that there is no such thing as altruism.
When you say 'these companies are making a lot of money off these products' I think that is a little to broad brush as there are muchos complexities here. In general terms all companies will benefit indirectly due to improved manufacturing capacity, or indirect research benefits, so we have to take that as read. However some deserve it more than others.
The Pfizer/BioNTech partnership are treating this as a commercial deal, so they set a price and a profit margin make profit. Is it justifiable, from a moral perspective in these circumstances my answer is no. However they used their own money to develop the vaccine, so one could argue it was their capital risk and therefore theirs from which to profit. Whilst Pfizer used its own resources to fund the development (it is big enough after all), you might then point out that the article says the tiny (by comparison) BioNTech received â,¬375m from the German government and â,¬100m as a loan from the European Investment Bank. However the â,¬375m only one of three research grants announced in September 2020 by the German government to to further speed up the development of the vaccine and to fund expanded trials and manufacturing capacity for the vaccine. The EIB â,¬100m loan was July 2020 and it has to be paid back, so is not profit, it's just an enabler. Both were well after a commitment had been made to start the research and spend money, so arguably they deserve the profit opportunity on financial grounds if not moral grounds. At the end of the day we also need to remember that governments give such pharma grants all the time as part of the general scientific research drive undertaken by all governments.
SPUTNIK V is for profit but is still half the price of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine.
Astra Zeneca/Oxford have taken the 'not for profit' approach, for which I applaud them. They are also the cheapest vaccine at about £3-4 per dose, which is about 80% less per dose than the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine. They still funded about 80% of the costs themselves but taken the moral high ground by delivering at cost.
Moderna are the ones we should be annoyed at, they had close to 100% government funding on their vaccine work yet are charging the most at circa $37 per dose! Unless their process is somehow considerably more expensive than anyone else's process, they really ought to be more competitive on the pricing and selling it on a not for profit basis.
Johnson & Johnson was another who said they would do it on a not for profit basis.
I don't know much about the others being developed, but iirc Sinovac was privately funded and is like Moderna charging a lot more than most per dose, whilst Novavax and Curevac were mostly government funded (but I have no idea on their projected/actual prices).
So, back to the original question, are companies making a lot of money from this? Yes, in a direct way some are, but some like Astra Zeneca/Oxford and Johnson & Johnson are definitely not. They all benefit indirectly from the money as it gives them better manufacturing capacity, a broader research base and better preparation for SARS vaccines in future (and other vaccines) etc.
But shouldn't a government support and spend research money in these areas for the public benefit? Would we be better off if we banned profit from vaccines? Might that lead to less capacity in that market and therefore worse outcomes for public health in the longterm? An interesting question with a long discussion over many pints of real ale at the next LAN......... :cheers:
I'm only keeping my response so short because I'm in front of a firing squad here, and I really appreciate that answer TL, I wouldn't have said that was my main question though, my main question/point is
Quotewho is liable if something goes wrong, and this article https://www.gov.uk/government/consul...id-19-vaccines makes it difficult to understand at best, but from what I see, not one of the companies or anyone administering it are, please correct me if I'm wrong here.
Again, I feel like I have to preface this with the fact that I'm not an anti-vaxxer or more simply "twat" as mentioned previously, I know this is the requirement, and also what will soon develop into a gated entry to the LAN's, entertainment of any kind shops /etc we all love.
Yeah, sorry, I was also dodging the firing squad, so I thought I would answer the bit that I could! :biggrin:
I'm not a lawyer, but my reading agrees with yours. If a decision is made to roll out a mass vaccination program, then that decision is made by government not by the companies, and therefore those companies supplying, making, administering etc the mandated by government (e.g.) vaccine are exempt from liability. The proposed changes seem to strengthen that protection and limit liability. The same duty of care rules still apply though, so it would still not give carte blanche to people to manufacture doses without due diligence.
I only know 2 things:
1) Dolly Parton donated $1m to Vanderbilt University Medical Center's research that went towards the Moderna vac. She gets nothing back for her donation (being a charitable donation and all).
2) "Up until 2020, these mRNA biotech companies had poor results testing mRNA drugs for cardiovascular, metabolic and renal diseases" - Source: https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/10/moderna-trouble-mrna/
Opinion, speculation and more opinion:
COVID-19 came at just the right time for those biotechs who had poured millions into mRNA research, literally it was like all their Christmases came at once, and what was a doomed approach became viable in the space of weeks. Also what became possible was fast track approval for mRNA vaccines which had (have!) a terrible safety and side effect record.
I side with Sith, regardless of profit, opportunity has knocked for Moderna and Pfizer/ BioNTech and they have not only pulled themselves out of the fire but have no accountability for the possibile future health issues that their products leave users with.
I'm not an anti-vac lunatic, I would however prefer to receive the Oxford DNA based or if one becomes available a more traditional RNA vaccine than the mRNA.
So if anyone who had the mRNA type, please let us know if your balls drop off or you grow an extra nose in the near future :norty:
Quote from: albert;444897So if anyone who had the mRNA type, please let us know if your balls drop off or you grow an extra nose in the near future :norty:
Cue: coffee spat all over keyboard. :roflmao:
Quote from: albert;444897I side with Sith...
We truly are in the end times then :roflmao: :lmfao: :D
I wonder what level of responsibility generally low risk, healthy people have in doing our bit to protect the more vulnerable in our society. Lockdowns are all kind of horrible and clearly unsustainable for much longer. Would any of us be thrilled at another winter lockdown this coming autumn? It's a personal choice but the moral thing seems pretty obvious to me.
Mass immunisation looks to be the way out of this situation for everyone. If there is actually any real risk to taking an mRNA vaccine I think I need to weigh up a small chance of me getting ill from the vaccine against a much larger chance of others being killed if Covid-19 remains circulating and mutating in the population.
And of course as is always the case rich Western nations can debate the pros and cons of vaccination at their leisure, while a huge swathe of the world aren't going to be given that same choice any time soon. I'm more bugged by the seeming lack of 'giving all a fair share' than I am about who's getting rich from this Pandemic.
Quote from: SithAfrikaan;444900We truly are in the end times then :roflmao: :lmfao: :D
I know first time for everything!
Quote from: smilodon;444901I wonder what level of responsibility generally low risk, healthy people have in doing our bit to protect the more vulnerable in our society...
I'm listening for news of the people who have volunteered to be injected with variants of the actual viruses. Seems these folks are doing their bit, I think they have to have had COVID-19 already and minimal symptoms to qualify.
Yeah now that really is stepping up and doing your bit.
Quote from: SithAfrikaan;444894I'm only keeping my response so short because I'm in front of a firing squad here, and I really appreciate that answer TL, I wouldn't have said that was my main question though, my main question/point is
who is liable if something goes wrong, and this article https://www.gov.uk/government/consul...id-19-vaccines makes it difficult to understand at best, but from what I see, not one of the companies or anyone administering it are, please correct me if I'm wrong here.
Again, I feel like I have to preface this with the fact that I'm not an anti-vaxxer or more simply "twat" as mentioned previously, I know this is the requirement, and also what will soon develop into a gated entry to the LAN's, entertainment of any kind shops /etc we all love.
I don't think anyone is liable, if things go wrong, and I'll try to explain why.
COVID is a global problem, it affects everyone. Developing the vaccine has been a global effort, and we have ended up with a few different flavours of vaccine as a result.
These flavours have been studied fairly well prior to mass release, but of course time is of the essence here and things have had to be somewhat sped up as a result.
Medicine is always going to have side effects, more so when we have to hurry in testing. This is an inevitable risk. Some people will take the medicine and be fine, others will not. The scientific world (which is not just limited to drug companies) does what it can to minimise risk, but there will always be an unlucky few.
Going back to how I started, this is a global pandemic that affects us all. So, we all have to share in the responsibility of dealing with it. We all have to deal with this risk. Different groups of people have done what they can to get us treatments, be that medical treatment (and there has been plenty of risk there too) or via preventative vaccination, but it was never going to be perfect. The risk these treatments carry is shared among us just as the disease is.
It isn't any one person's fault if you or I end up with a side effect, just like it isn't any one person's fault if we end up with the disease. COVID is here as a result of our species' growth and infringement into the 'natural' world. It's a bug that has come about from the destruction of normal ecosystems and the 'unnatural' mixing of different animal species that results. We can't blame the governments, drug companies, scientists, doctors... it isn't anyone's fault, it's an unavoidable consequence of the situation we have ended up in.
We all have to deal with it as a disease, and we all have to deal with the treatment too. The alternative is not sustainable. For every person dying of the virus, there are what, 4 or 5 sitting in hospital for a week or more on oxygen, who eventually make it home but take up a hospital bed in the meantime. It is this patient load that causes the main issue, as healthcare systems around the world simply can't cope with the strain. If we don't all step up and share in the responsibility of dealing with the pandemic, our healthcare systems will collapse, and it will lead to far more deaths and increased morbidity from not just COVID, but from all the other health problems we deal with day in, day out.
This is a time of crisis, for the entire world. Yes there is risk associated with the treatments, but those risks are necessary to avoid the above. We all have to accept that, and really we all have to shoulder some of that burden. This is an abnormal situation, and it asks for an abnormal response as a result - by this I mean accepting an amount of risk for yourself to benefit everyone. It requires an amount of selflessness for the greater good. If enough people avoid that, we end up with inadequate vaccination and inadequate immunity across populations as a result, and the problem continues. It might 'fizzle out' after a few years (we don't know yet) as we reach herd immunity via survivor immunity, but the amount of damage this time would do to people's health - we are already seeing the impact of people avoiding healthcare, of procedures, tests, and investigations being delayed and postponed due to the pandemic - is just phenomenal.
I understand people's trepidation over the vaccines, I do. They are not yet thoroughly tested and long term effects are unknown (much might I add, like COVID), inevitably some will end up with unfortunate side effects (the unlucky few), and this is frightening. You can't blame anyone when things go wrong, because as a global community we are all simply doing the best we can with what we have. We all simply have to accept some risk here, to get the job done. I'll say again, the alternative is simply not a sustainable option. On balance, globally, the risk:benefit ratio of the vaccines swings far, far towards the benefit side, and so I believe we all have to accept that small bit of risk to do our part to protect others and hopefully in the process, ourselves too.
These are my own thoughts and opinions, and you're welcome to disagree with them, in parts or in entirety. It is a controversial topic and lots of people have differences in opinion that clash with bits of what I have written above. That's ok, you're allowed to think for yourself. Personally I hope enough people realise there isn't an alternative to the vaccinations, and accept having one not only for their own benefit but to protect others too - both from COVID and from a healthcare system that can't look after the 'usual' issues whilst going through a pandemic. Sadly, I don't think COVID is going away anytime soon, and we might be faced with yearly problems from this or other similar bugs. I also don't think this is the last time we as a species will see a global pandemic, I feel with how we treat the world and the environments we live in, further such events are pretty much inevitable.
Well I got the text yesterday and will be being pumped with one concoction or another next Thursday.
I want the inevitable super powers we will all develop in a few years time, I've done my research by watching the documentary "The Boys", I know how it works.
Quote from: Liberator;444975Well I got the text yesterday and will be being pumped with one concoction or another next Thursday.
I want the inevitable super powers we will all develop in a few years time, I've done my research by watching the documentary "The Boys", I know how it works.
I'm guessing you'll favour Translucent. I know I would :norty:
Quote from: OldBloke;444977I'm guessing you'll favour Translucent. I know I would :norty:
Knowing my luck I'll get The Deep powers.
Quote from: Liberator;444975Well I got the text yesterday and will be being pumped with one concoction or another next Thursday.
I want the inevitable super powers we will all develop in a few years time, I've done my research by watching the documentary "The Boys", I know how it works.
As long as you're not stood in a knock off superman suit, knocking one out from a tall building....
Quote from: DiseasedBunny;444980As long as you're not stood in a knock off superman suit, knocking one out from a tall building....
Welp, thats my weekend ruined again!
Check the make of vaccine. You should be getting something called Compound V, don't worry it's completely safe.
so I had mine in Saudi military hospital yesterday, very slick op, 20 mins and that included the 15 i had to wait as i was driving. Apart from about 3 hours last night where i felt totally crap, so far been good all-day,(binge watching the witcher).
on a bonus note i seem to be getting better mobile reception and feel like i'm being watched:D
Got the AstraZeneca vaccination today at my GP (I'm 42, my area is probably ahead of the game). I'm waiting for the side effects to kick in, so far barely a sore arm. Will report back later.
side effects will probally kick in tomorrow for u m8, did for me, headache shivers etc, but only lasts a day.
Quote from: sulky_uk;444985on a bonus note i seem to be getting better mobile reception and feel like i'm being watched:D
Was there a small capsule in your vaccine? One that makes imperceptible beeping noises and shows up under an RF scan? :ninja:
There's also the distinct possibility that you won't get any adverse effects at all. I fortunately managed to completely avoid any ill effects whatsoever with the Oxford Astrazeneca (https://www.google.com/search?safe=strict&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=ALeKk03uwfyATj-qmgUCvd-pOYbYowNoQQ:1618949008753&q=astrazeneca&spell=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi-1M2Ez43wAhX_QkEAHVnXBKMQkeECKAB6BAgBEDE) dose.
Apart from now being tracked in real time by GCHQ and the NSA of course as Mr Monkey mentioned
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Quote from: Jamoe;445413Got the AstraZeneca vaccination today at my GP (I'm 42, my area is probably ahead of the game). I'm waiting for the side effects to kick in, so far barely a sore arm. Will report back later.
Had my jab Monday night. Tuesday daytime was fine, about 7pm last night started to feel ****.
Headaches, tingling sensation all over my back and neck, sore muscles, nausea, swapping from being hot to cold every 15 mins or so, sore eyes and feeling very tired.
Today, just got a headache :D
Woke up in the night feeling, well, just weird tbh. Tingling, joints aching and headache. I won't be concentrating today so I've taken some cold and flu, rang in sick.
My GP had started working through the 40-50s. Starting with the 50s and working back. Chap said they got to about 48s and gave up and just messaged everyone in that group. Still plenty older than me that haven't bothered yet which is a bit depressing.
Quote from: albert;444897So if anyone who had the mRNA type, please let us know if your balls drop off or you grow an extra nose in the near future :norty:
Took the second Pfizer dose last week. Would like to announce that my balls didn't drop off. No new nasal cavities either... Although, I wouldn't mind an extra set of hands to be honest.
Jokes apart, the only side effect was intense pain in the bicep area where the injections were delivered. Its literally the same feeling you get the day after you go to the gym, and did not stop lifting dumbbells until your bicep gives out.
Interestingly - according to my wife who is a pharmacist and jabs people a lot - the pain from most injections is usually from how "well" the jab was done rather than the actual drug. My wife did my flu jab a few years back and I didn't feel a thing. When she was on maternity I had to go to Boots and the chap pretty much took a run up and I was sore for a couple days.
It's the same wtih donating blood. I've had a lot of almost un-noticable donations, just lie back and you feel some weight of the gear on your arm but no local pain.
Then you get a farmhand with a club once in a while and you feel like you were arm wrestling rather than donating blood.
It also has to do with the luck of the draw, does the needle go through sensitive tissue or get lucky and miss.
my 2nd one hit me worse than the first - felt like a hangopver the next day, arm was tender for about 48-72 hours - fiine since though
If anyone from dmw needs a jab I'm happy to do it. I'll use a 14 guage needle/ sharpened drain pipe and hurl it from across the room with a few bricks attached to give it weight.
Best jab you'll ever have. Possibly the last, too.
Quote from: Chaosphere;445458If anyone from dmw needs a jab I'm happy to do it. I'll use a 14 guage needle/ sharpened drain pipe and hurl it from across the room with a few bricks attached to give it weight.
Best jab you'll ever have. Possibly the last, too.
Is this not the "Seriously Though..." forum? I'd expect more from a council member. After all, it's a pretty sensitive topic, some of us are not in the UK and are still waiting for news of vaccines.
Perchance it's a little irony thrown into the mix?
Millions of people have and continue to slowly suffocate to death from catching this virus. While it's perfectly valid to talk about the relatively mild effects of getting the actual jab, we should do so while remembering the reality for so many other unfortunate people who never got the chance to moan about a needle. This is not a dig at anyone who has commented about getting their jab, it's a very valid conversation which I've been part of as much as anyone. But we should always be humble that, regardless of our political views, many of us live in a country which has done a bang up job getting people vaccinated. That's not the case is so many other parts of the world whether that is from political incompetence or simple lack of funds.
We're fortunate we can discuss, and should discuss the sometimes trivial aspects of getting vaccinated ???
I retract my comments and commend the good sense of Smilo's words. Life is just not straightforward at this moment in time. It's easy to be frustrated with the situation given the lack of foresight shown outside the UK where there has been finally some positive steps taken.
I had 2 hospital appointments in the last 7 days, and despite apparently throwing away excess unused doses of a few of the vaccine flavours every day for months, the health authorities still do not have the inclination to use these up on hospital out patients or even call in anyone who can attend to get a jab.
So. No offence Chaos, I know you were only trying to lighten the atmosphere. For the record, I had blood taken today and she hit my arm very much like the way you describe your offer above. No arm wresteling for a few weeks methinks.
Quote from: A Twig;445448the pain from most injections is usually from how "well" the jab was done rather than the actual drug.
Sorry, I was just making a (clearly bad) joke in response to this comment, the suggestion being I'd intentionally butcher the admin of a jab to my fellow members of dMw... not specifically anything COVID-related.
Just a take on the old "you're all a bunch of muppets now get stuffed" sort of camaraderie, where we are actually conveying fondness, of course.
I've had a front line seat to the pandemic and have witnessed more than enough of the suffering it has wrought on individuals and families from day 1. I've lost count of the times I've received patients falling apart in A&E, knowing I will likely be seeing them pass away days later in the ICU. Often in my area of Medicine, the gallows humour is part of what keeps you going. Comes with the territory, and never has that been more true than over the last year. Perhaps sometimes this might make me step over a line without realising it.
I certainly didn't mean to offend or upset, I meant no harm, and apologise that the joke fell flat.
All good.
I have no idea how relevant this is but I spent a fair bit of time with student nurses and doctors over the years and I have yet to meet a more hedonistic, promiscuous and alcohol/soft drug abusing set of people in my life....... exactly my sort at the time. I certainly spent a lot of time with them tbh. It was explained to me that if you're around the ill, seriously ill and the dying daily then you need a macabre cathartic release and boy....... did they go for it. :worshippy:
So, as we all acknowledge, a little bit of dark humour or whatever in what has undoubtedly been a tough year for us but triply so for those friends (and Ben) working on the frontline in whatever capacity be it care homes or consultants probably deserve a bit of latitude.
Besides which Alby, you just know that over the next few years half the LAN for Ben will be us discussing our ailments with him and asking for free diagnoses :-)
Quote from: Penfold;445469I have no idea how relevant this is but I spent a fair bit of time with student nurses and doctors over the years and I have yet to meet a more hedonistic, promiscuous and alcohol/soft drug abusing set of people in my life....... exactly my sort at the time. I certainly spent a lot of time with them tbh. It was explained to me that if you're around the ill, seriously ill and the dying daily then you need a macabre cathartic release and boy....... did they go for it. :worshippy:
+1
As a 'youth' I logged more than my fair share of time at the local hospital. It had hundreds of staff living on site so it had its own on-site staff club which was predominantly occupied by the nurses it seemed. So I recognise and socialised with the as described by Penfold debauched company and humour, in that club called 'Stitches'. The worse the day, the darker the humour and the more drunk everyone got.
Quote from: Chaosphere;445465Sorry, I was just making a (clearly bad) joke in response to this comment, the suggestion being I'd intentionally butcher the admin of a jab to my fellow members of dMw... not specifically anything COVID-related.
Just a take on the old "you're all a bunch of muppets now get stuffed" sort of camaraderie, where we are actually conveying fondness, of course.
I've had a front line seat to the pandemic and have witnessed more than enough of the suffering it has wrought on individuals and families from day 1. I've lost count of the times I've received patients falling apart in A&E, knowing I will likely be seeing them pass away days later in the ICU. Often in my area of Medicine, the gallows humour is part of what keeps you going. Comes with the territory, and never has that been more true than over the last year. Perhaps sometimes this might make me step over a line without realising it.
I certainly didn't mean to offend or upset, I meant no harm, and apologise that the joke fell flat.
No offence taken, no harm felt or even thought of, taken as it was fully intended :thumbsup2:
Quote from: Penfold;445469you just know that over the next few years half the LAN for Ben will be us discussing our ailments with him and asking for free diagnoses :-)
Honestly thought Ben was an attending physician, claiming OVERWATCH this, OVERWATCH that, I always thought he had a great grasp of keeping us all tip top in LANs we should invite him to try games sometime... :roflmao:
I know this is the seriously though section but I couldn't resist! :D
Same for us military types, seen some bad sh+t, but at the end of the day if nobody was hurt the dark humour would kick in...if it didnt we would have gone mad.
2 SN ( saudi nationals) i work with have both had Covid about 6 months (I haven't), and now everytime they cough or sneeze, i say corona, instead of bless you, they laugh
It's not just the Covids we're fighting.
Malaria vaccine (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/25/new-vaccine-success-for-oxford-is-truly-remarkable)
Maybe should be in memes and dreams, but feels more appropriate here…
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