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Sadly I fear it will get worse.
As Sadako says CZ will soon become the only seriously supported game from Valve.
As CS:CZ takes over from CS 1.6 as the standard format for CS, the support for CS 1.6 will drop away, much like it is doing for Linux Server Software.
A new subscription 'premium' account will be offered by Valve. The cost will be something around £10 a month. They will offer lots of sweeteners to encourage players to upgrade their accounts to 'Premium'. For example when HL2 is released it will only work as a multiplayer game through Steam. Access to these new HL2 mods, of which a new version of CS running on the HL2 engine will be a major offering, will only be made to paid up Steam accounts. The free Steam games will look less and less attractive.
Eventually all CS:CZ accounts will become paid for accounts and Valve will then withdraw support and finally access to the old free CS 1.6 mods. And finally non paid up Steam accounts will have no games available to them and will become obsolete.
Likewise the server software for the new Valve games running on the HL2 engine will be charged for. At the moment Cyber Cafes have to pay Valve $10 a month for every PC they run that has a copy of CS installed. Soon a similar pricing structure will be put in place for servers. Then dMw will have to pay a monthly fee to Valve for each of the three servers we run.
Finally as with WON support they will switch off Steam access to the CS 1.6 client and server software and the old game will be unplayable across the Internet.
At last every account and every game offered through the Steam network will be charged for.
As this happens many players will desert CS for BF or Halo or Soldner etc. The question is how long will The dMw support CS? Will we collectively migrate to a new game or will the community fragment into those who will pay Valve for the priviledge of playing CS and those (like me) who would rather dig their eyeballs out with a spoon.
Sad days ahead people.....sad days
:(
Although the won support has been withdrawn currently you can still play cs1.5 on the net so i get the feeling as valve tighten their grip we may see people reverting back to that.
The big man doth speaketh the truth methinks. Not sure about the monthly subscription, but I can certainly see plenty of one off payments a la CZ for major new mods (CS HL2 being a prime example).
That said I had good fun with Oldy and Albert last night on the dmw CZ server with a bunch of bots, and it means the server can never truly idle as you can just join a game and lets bots play with you till others join in. I don't agree with Smilodon about bot intelligence - I thought they were pretty good (at level 2 of 3), certainly better than podbot, and their calls were fantastic and help you pinpoint the enemy straight away. PodBot I find to be incredibly patchy in terms of quality.
Plus I do like the way the bots call me "Sir" ;) (even when I was bottom of the scoreboard :) )
QuoteOriginally posted by ChimpBoy@Mar 25 2004, 09:43 AM
1:The big man doth speaketh the truth methinks.
2: I don't agree with Smilodon about bot intelligence - I thought they were pretty good (at level 2 of 3), certainly better than podbot, and their calls were fantastic and help you pinpoint the enemy straight away.
3:Plus I do like the way the bots call me "Sir" ;) (even when I was bottom of the scoreboard :) ) 1:Probably :( 2:Mmm, I played on the Fastline I think it is, and two of the silly sods got caught in a loop where one was chanting "I'm gonna plant the bomb" and the other, Chet was his name, (should have been kicked IMO) kept on "I've got your back" The rest of the Ts and CTs sat around scratching their arses till the time ran out! AI? I don't think so. :rolleyes: 3: Arrogant bunch aren't we? I thought they were calling me 'Sir' and 'Commander' too. I guess we hear what we want to hear! :whistle:
I’m sorry I can stand it no longer.
A couple of years ago (about) an announcement was made that there was going to be a new version of counter strike (CZ), woohoo I thought, I’ll definitely get that when it’s released.
In the meantime I continued playing Counterstrike essentially a free mod that was released for Halflife, due to my enthusiasm for CS and the need to get other players involved I purchased a second copy of HL to run on my second machine, (I now own legally 2 copies of half life, 1 copy of CS that came with another copy of HL and 1 copy of Blue Shift which came with yet another copy of HL) the revenue for the purchase of these games goes to Valve. So for the pleasure of playing a free mod I have lined the pockets of Valve in purchasing the game engine to run it, this is all okay and acceptable, I wasn’t coerced and had full control of my senses.
During the years I have been playing CS (beta 6 I think) constant improvements have been made by the original team in gameplay and visuals, while thousands of contributions have also been made from all over the world in the form of maps, models, add-on programs etc. all in the spirit of sharing rather than profit. Then along came Steam, just another improvement beta version, “could the CS community try this version out, see what they think, give feedback all in the spirit of sharingâ€. A couple of improvements later and there seems to be a viable version of CS on the beta Steam platform with playable bots, LAN gaming and the promise of no lengthy downloads in the future due to constant updating, and easy connectivity.
Then came Steam the official release, well what a f**k up, no bots, no (offline) LAN support, and as for easy connectivity phut! The thing is we all agreed, we all said what a bunch of w**kers Valve are for doing this, why are they trying to ruin our enjoyment, there was even talk about dumping Steam and going back to 1.5 as a protest. Just check the forums guys, there isn’t a week go by when at least one complaint about connecting to Steam doesn’t appear. And what have we done about it, we’ve gone and bought CZ, what does this tell Valve, “well done chaps were gonna give you same more money cuz your giving us what we wantâ€.
Well I’m sorry but I won’t be giving Valve anything at all for what is essentially a game I already own, I will continue to play CS 1.6, as far a Valve dumping support for the “free†versions then I hope that much of the community feels the way I do and we may return to the spirit of what was originally intended when CS was first released all those many moons ago.
:withstupid: I couldn't agree more!
QuoteOriginally posted by BlueBall@Mar 25 2004, 11:43 AM
:withstupid: I couldn't agree more! I couldn't agree more also. :cheers:
BF Vietnam anyone? QuoteWelcome to the dMw Community
The 'Dead Men Walking' clan aims to provide a home, a community, for players who revel in Tactical Battle Field - TBF - and its team-based approach .................... ;)
If someone could send me a er ahem.... "full tester version" then i def agree with Smilo ;)
*cough* LAN. you can try it there
A Note From The dMw Admins:
The Admins continue to follow such developments carefully. None of these possible changes will happen overnight and we will therefore have time to develop a suitable strategy for the community. This might include reverting to CS1.5, adopting a 'premium' server account, migration to other games, or other options. Only time will tell. What the Admins *are* convinced of is that the dMw Community will remain a force, providing you each with at least 100% of your daily recommended dosage of vitamins, minerals and community gaming fun.
TL.
forget about the vitamins, minarals and fun, i want blood, gore and violance
and a spell checker? :whistle: :devil: :devil:
Forget about the vitamins, minerals and fun, I want blood, gore and violence.
Smartarse
:narnar: :lmfao: :lmfao: :lmfao: :devil:
my tuppence, in a non-sexual innuendo way.
We really shouldn't diversify from CS as the main game. If we do we should stick to a community agreed single game as the main focus.
I like CS so shutup, yeah but no but yeah but right,..
I agree with Benjamin here, I have absolutely no desire to move away from CS. As a squad based game it doesn't come any better.
The commercialisation of CS isn't a forgone conclusion and will probably take years if it does happen.
On the other hand I agree with TL that the dMw and the TCS game style isn't dependant on any one game. If CS ever did self destruct there are a load of other routes we could take.
QuoteOriginally posted by smite@Mar 24 2004, 09:40 PM
My Copy of CZ has just been posted by Play.com.
At least i will get a box to show for it you guys dont have that :( . Here's me wishing i didn't bother now that everyone isn't impressed with it. Finally arrived today. 3 Discs 1 install 1 play disc :( 1 Halflife 2 Preview.... May install it .....sometime......if i can be bothered.....
If, like me, you have it already then it is worth installing it.
CZ multiplayer is better than CS multiplayer. The graphics are better and it all seems a little more professional looking.
There's nothing horribly wrong with the single player game. It's just very average.
All in all 5/10 and not worth the money if you haven't got it yet IMHO
I have not installed CZ yet.. But i have just spent the past 20 mins watching the HL2 disc and was blown away it looks fantastic and i cant beleive things like that could be done in game.
Listing:
G-Man - Various facial feature examples
Docks - This one has been seen before where he walks over a plank in the docks and gets attacked by Zombies
Klieners Lab - People talking and knocking items over.
Trapdown - In a town at night and getting attacked by soldiers (moves various items to block there way, throws barrels and various other items at them, blows up crates to fall on people etc...
Tunnels - cant remember
Barricade - cant remember
Bugbait - make the mutants/bugs attack the soldiers by using bait
Coastline - Superb driving beach buggy
Striders - War of the Worlds or what, large 3 legged machines
Psyche - not worth mentioning
This disc alone was worth it so far.
CZ is good single player for bot practice.
the maps feel better. All in all, worth a tenner, and possibly a good future, but no more than a tenners worth
Were u get it for a tener?>
I didn't. Read between the lines.
I paid the same as
it's worth a tenner at best
everyone else
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