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Forum Archive 2023 => Games of old that no longer float our boat........ => dMw Gaming => Gaming Archive => Counter-Strike 1.6 => Topic started by: George^ on April 02, 2004, 10:28:05 AM

Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: George^ on April 02, 2004, 10:28:05 AM
Ok, so I play CS almost daily and whenever I get the chance,  but the thing is I mostly play on publics (which means sometimes there's a hacker, sometimes there isn't) I guess you take your chances.

The point being I run around sometimes, there's a plan to follow it all depends I guess.  As CT on a DE map I tend to get to a bombsite and try to find a good line of fire at wherever the T's are coming from...

But with all this playing I don't feel like I'm improving or learning much, with the exception of the lame AWP's are pretty much > all on Dust 2, after an hour or so most of the AWP'ers had a 40 kill 10 death rate with me at around 4 kills 20-30 deaths.

Is there anyway I can pratice? well another point being I don't know what to pratice.  <_<

-George

    - I hope someone can make sense of this jibberish, it's 4am my time.
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: Gh0st Face Killah on April 02, 2004, 10:54:34 AM
Hi George,  4am gee where are you based?

Try and get onto our servers if you can, then you can see the sort of tactics that we employ for different maps. The tyrick with avoiding awps is just to find a spot where they can't get a long shot/easy kill on you and force them to come to you, if you can get them in a close range battle chances are you'll win.
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: George^ on April 02, 2004, 11:01:06 AM
Ah, I'm based out of Ohio in the US.

On maps such as dust or aztec I can't seem to get into close quarter battles, espically defending like A High on Dust2, you leave yourself open from 3-4 directions.

So not really sure.

Also, for Dust2, As CT. When you go to get over to the B site, I've heard people say that in the Leagues, most people don't actually go into the site itself, rather guard outside of it sort of.

But in that situation you're left open to be flanked from middle and a long depending on how good the other people are in those spots.

Another senario, on de_train.  If I'm T I basically have 3 options:

1)Go up the first stairs follow the group and hope that someone in front of me is a good shot enough to clear off some of the CT's in the site then mabye I can camp a corner and wait for CT's to come diffuse.

2)Go up the middle like a crazy fool with smoke, flashes, he's, and try to make it to the point where I can take cover behind a train, hoping not to get AWP'd by a CT from that back wall.

3)Go all the way down to the end and try to flank the Outside bombsite from the left hoping that mabye the CT's left it open that round to get a few kills with the element of suprise.

I mean other then that, camping spawn with a scout.. shrug. I donno just doesn't leave me with many options.

-George
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: Benny on April 02, 2004, 11:22:22 AM
Try and get onto the server when they are busy with the regulars here. It's a lot easier to play tactics, especially on those maps when you have a co-ordinated team behind you. (literally in Squonks case)

Personally, I think it seems successful when you try to pull the enemy in multiple directions. By co-ordinating attacks you can make sure that the snipers aren't focused on one spot.
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: George^ on April 02, 2004, 11:29:51 AM
Yeah, I understand that the community of the server has alot to do with it.  Of course you guys are mostly on Europe time which most days makes it near impossiable due to my schedual (I sleep late into the evenings, go to work, get off late at night) and pretty much play overnight for my timezone.

I do like the larger servers as far as public servers are concerned, with 24 players you're bound to have a good one or 2 on most of the time.  But I also am noticing no matter how good someone is if they're CT on a de_ map with 6-7 T's rushing them they may get 3-4 but they won't get them all.

I know that's where teamwork comes in, but in situations like that I tend to hit my own team more then the other team due to all the madness with all the bodies and the flashing and smoke it's tough to know who to shoot at.

Also I guess it tends to have to do with the limited amount of cover provided by the maps, I mean there's only so many good places I found to hide but once I use them once and that map runs for an hour I can't use it again they'll just pop around and 1 shot me to the head.

Is there anyway to get better at just flat out rushing the other team? I mean I know it's a game of numbers and if you're rushing 7 T's as a CT you're going to die.  But when I try it I may get like a foot shot for 7 damage or something before I'm just 1-2 shot killed by one of the T's.

I have a map called cs_academybeta which I got from one of the tactics sites I believe benny linked earlier.  It was good for checking to see exactly where my bullets went with each gun but in game it's a whole different story.

-George
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: Grimnar on April 02, 2004, 11:30:09 AM
use smoke and flashes to get near them or to give you time to run away very fast or what ever  <_<  :o


But try different things against them. Look on how they play and you will learn also some things what you can use against them.


It is always a learning thing ;)
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: George^ on April 02, 2004, 11:34:40 AM
Smoke pretty much lags me to much to be a of use, as it does some of us.

I've just had horriable experiences with flash grenades.. as a terrorist on de_dust, running down the tunnel I throw one, flash myself and about 20 other people and all you hear is them yelling on the voice comm and this and that...  That doesn't so much bother me as the fact that I just flashed myself and I have to keep moving so we don't get bunched in the tunnel and I jump out into the bombsite and die.

Also it seems when people throw flashes I turn into a corner and I still get the full effect for what seems like 5 min (probably more along the lines of 20 seconds).  It's something that I guess could improve my gameplay if I knew how to use it but I'd rather not flash my team and myself in the process.

And when I do get them off it seems like the other team isn't flashed as I rush in I die in 1 shot again ect.

-George
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: George^ on April 02, 2004, 11:37:57 AM
On another note if someone wants to talk to me in real time rather then on this forum:

steam friends name - fdapus7th@yahoo.com
AIM name - geofthej
And email is of course steam friends name.


-George
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: Grimnar on April 02, 2004, 11:40:32 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by George@Apr 2 2004, 10:34 AM
Smoke pretty much lags me to much to be a of use, as it does some of us.

I've just had horriable experiences with flash grenades.. as a terrorist on de_dust, running down the tunnel I throw one, flash myself and about 20 other people and all you hear is them yelling on the voice comm and this and that...  That doesn't so much bother me as the fact that I just flashed myself and I have to keep moving so we don't get bunched in the tunnel and I jump out into the bombsite and die.

Also it seems when people throw flashes I turn into a corner and I still get the full effect for what seems like 5 min (probably more along the lines of 20 seconds).  It's something that I guess could improve my gameplay if I knew how to use it but I'd rather not flash my team and myself in the process.

And when I do get them off it seems like the other team isn't flashed as I rush in I die in 1 shot again ect.

-George
yeah it is all about the situation you are in.

If you rush with your team it is not smart to throw flashes infront of your team.

So far i think it is how you play and how you see the situation you are in and how you think you will handle it.

Just like i said it is a learning thing ;)
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: George^ on April 02, 2004, 11:43:34 AM
Yeah, from that prospective I can see that on the flash gre.

What I am trying to do by that is to blind the CT's that are coming around the corner to the site / to the end of the tunnel to rush us.  Should I bind something for when I throw a flash or just probably not use them in a rushing situation and more of as a camping situation / mabye with a few of us left vs alot of them.

And also I see your point about the fact that it's a learning thing.  The original intent of the post is that I don't feel that I'm learning much of anything by playing but asking if mabye there were some things I could pratice that would make me a better player.

-George
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: DuVeL on April 02, 2004, 12:13:13 PM
I'd say try our server aswell. for the rest, CS:CZ has bots aswell which can be given a difficulty. The best way to learn for me is on our own server tho after a while you know how people play.

On dust2 make sure you're not on the same spot every round, also keep moving when an AWM is spotted, some gits out there are really good. You wont find the AWM much on our servers tho unless your team is loosing with +4, same for autosniper.
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: ChimpBoy on April 02, 2004, 12:49:06 PM
You work 7 days a week George?  If not then try going on around 3-5pm your time and the server should have peeps on it.
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: Dr Sadako on April 02, 2004, 01:05:22 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by George@Apr 2 2004, 10:28 AM
Is there anyway I can pratice? well another point being I don't know what to pratice.  <_<
 
You can try some of these ideas:

1. First person view. Look how other players aim and what routes they take. I often follow the more skilled players in first person to pick up new things to improve my game. Usually I only follow one or two players on an entire map. It is easiest to keep track then.

2. Vary positions. Do not go to the same spot(s) round after round. Predictability gives the enemy extra edge. Try and find new positions rather than using your standard favorites.

3. Raise your aim. Many players have a tendency of keeping their crosshair aimed at the ground in front of them instead of keeping it at chest/head hight. By raising you crosshair you will definitely increase the amount of headshots and kills. Aim where you think the enemy could be. Where would you be if you were enemy covering that area?

4. Play by sound and Radar. Most players on public servers have clogs and are easy to pin point by sound even without visual confirmation. If you don't have a headset (or headphones) buy one. The stereo perspective combined with use of radr will render you many easy kills. Don't be surprised if you get accused of cheating on a public server.
You should obviously try to avoid generating sound if possible. Walk or crouchwalk!

5. Grenade practice. Learn to master the grenades. Start your own server and use your spray to mark a spot. Then master to throw HEs etc so they land, bounce, stop on that mark. After that do the same but by walling the grenade before. Then do the same but crouchwalk, walk, jump and run. Learn the differences on how speed inpacts on the throw. Grenades are extremelt powerful when used properly.
When playing try to save HE to the end of the round. Then it will be lethal as opponents are likely to have less health left.

Hope any of these help.
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: Benny on April 02, 2004, 01:15:38 PM
Depending on your point of view, a well timed flash into an oncoming rush is superb.

If you hear everyone stomping through the mincer, flash it as they come through and..well....mince them.
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: George^ on April 02, 2004, 01:43:38 PM
Thanks for the info Sadako.

ChimpBoy, nope I only work 5 days a week.  And I'm starting later now at least 6pm my time I guess if I wake up awhile before work and get ready ahead of time I could play with you guys before I go in to work.

The 4) Sound and Radar... that seems to be the key more then anything that I've seen.  I guess I'll just have to keep attention to that and try to spec some people where I can see where the others are to see what direction the sound is coming from and how loud ect.  Right now on the over-laping maps sort of it drives me nuts.

Is there a different sound in Dust2 between people being above you on the bridge and on your level? I haven't really tried to check on that and sometimes I'll be underneath and panic thinking someones coming around the corner.

As T's on a rush is it generally the consenus on a "RUSH" to flat out run at the bombsite with no consideration to walk?  Believing that the whole point is that you have more people going to the bombsite then they have defending it, so you can get the bomb down and defend it asap?

I suppose for rushing I can work on a quick standstill so my aim is ok then start shooting in 1-2 shot bursts, that might cut down on some of my "pathetic" rushing deaths. i.e. I make it past the intital awper or 2 and I'm face to face with a enemy yet I still can't land a shot on him because I'm moving so rapidly.

-George
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: Dr Sadako on April 02, 2004, 01:57:36 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by George+Apr 2 2004, 01:43 PM-->
QUOTE (George @ Apr 2 2004, 01:43 PM)

Is there a different sound in Dust2 between people being above you on the bridge and on your level? I haven't really tried to check on that and sometimes I'll be underneath and panic thinking someones coming around the corner.
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Yes the sound is directional. It is easier to hear and use if you have headphones or a surround system. Try and listen to the pitch of the sound to distinguish if it is above, below, in front or behind you.


Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: DuVeL on April 02, 2004, 02:04:21 PM
It depends alot on the headset and the user himself offcourse. I can say where enemys are sometimes seconds before someone else does and can also say when they are above or left or right. Better not try this technique on our server because all of them know where to run or not. As sadako said: Try it on a public first. I've been called a cheater alot because I hear someone running and just when he exits I allready shoot at head hight (BTW, Sadako his the topgit in it so watch out).
The VC can also be used alot for sharing information and set up an excellent crossing fire with a teamm8.

Play by sound and radar + VC. What I do on a public is team up with one of the better players and see how he does the shooting and so.
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: George^ on April 02, 2004, 02:05:03 PM
And also, have most of you tweaked your mouse sensitivity?  I've asked a few people I know Brother Funk uses like a 1.5 and I've heard some people from CAL IM say that they're using as high as 12.

I've been moving mine inbetween 2.5 and 5.1 or whatever, I suppose that is just a preference but curious to know whether you guys have yours set fairly consitant between the group.

-George
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: Moment on April 02, 2004, 02:58:18 PM
my mouse sensitivity is 3....

used to be 5 or something but i find if i have it on 3 i can keep the crosshair on peoples heads with less difficulty......

but its just what fells rite to u really so just test till u find a sens u like  :D
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: Dr Sadako on April 02, 2004, 02:58:23 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by George@Apr 2 2004, 02:05 PM
And also, have most of you tweaked your mouse sensitivity? I've asked a few people I know Brother Funk uses like a 1.5 and I've heard some people from CAL IM say that they're using as high as 12.

I've been moving mine inbetween 2.5 and 5.1 or whatever, I suppose that is just a preference but curious to know whether you guys have yours set fairly consitant between the group.

-George
First of all it depends on what type of mouse you are using. I play with a trackball which is way different than a regular mouse. I have a sensitivity setting of 8 when I play.

Another thing you can play around with is screen resolution. The 1337 players that play for money rarely have resolutions higher than 800x600 in game. It is actually very common that they use 640x480. I am not 1337 hence I use the 1280x1024 setting. I don't know how or if it impacts on the game but feel free to play around.
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: Moment on April 02, 2004, 03:00:47 PM
QuoteAnother thing you can play around with is screen resolution. The 1337 players that play for money rarely have resolutions higher than 800x600 in game. It is actually very common that they use 640x480. I am not 1337 hence I use the 1280x1024 setting. I don't know how or if it impacts on the game but feel free to play around.

i use 800x600 n i no lot of peeps who use 640x480  :whistle:
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: Grimnar on April 02, 2004, 03:07:18 PM
well i use 1024/768
and am using a normal mouse.
my sensitivity is at 7.2


But your resolution does matter.
I know that in 1.5 you can have 600/800 and use a awm good on aiming on the player. But when you were using a higher resolution you needed to aim next to the player to shoot him good. (you can think huh but check it out and you will se it is that way)

But in 1.6 i dunno if it is that way because i don't use a awm much in 1.6.
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: George^ on April 02, 2004, 03:50:12 PM
I probably should try out the smaller resolutions.. I run at 1024x768 or whatever.  But when I tried to run it smaller my screen would always get spammed by say and I couldn't see like 1/3 of it do to all the chatter..

I donno it's a give and take type deal..

I guess 5.0-6 would be alright for my mouse sensitivty then.

-George
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: Anonymous on April 02, 2004, 03:52:20 PM
I have set my mouse sensitivity to 0 because I'm useless  :narnar:
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: Squonk on April 02, 2004, 04:03:23 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by BlueBall@Apr 2 2004, 02:52 PM
I have set my mouse sensitivity to 0 because I'm useless :narnar:
Mines at 16 and iam as bad as BB ....so i might try your setting out mike see if it helps :)
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: Anonymous on April 02, 2004, 04:46:19 PM
Mmm, 16! Hadn't thought of that. Cheers Steve, I'll try it :)
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: George^ on April 02, 2004, 04:54:18 PM
:P

Just a little update, after going over some of the comments / suggestions. I went back on the same server I was 4-24 a few days ago and ended up 21-16 which isn't all that bad for a 16v16 and it was the same people more or less.

Thanks guys.  :D

CS is feeling more like golden-eye for N64 now. Where I hold the all-time title for "Most Dishonorable" - shots to the back.  Basically all I'm seeing is the enemy's back or they just don't react as quick as me coming out of a doorway ect.

-George
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: Gh0st Face Killah on April 02, 2004, 04:55:34 PM
Result!!!
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: Peppster on April 02, 2004, 06:06:54 PM
I play with 1.2 in sense( have an Mx500).

I also use 800*600, try it!!

And so to my very own tip
If you don´t have a grenade use Q to switch fast between your gun and pistol.
If you spray and run out of bullets you don´t have time to reload, then you press Q (if you have deafult settings) and your pistol will come up faster than if you scroll or press #2.  Get used to that and you will get many easy frags.

You can use this when you have grenades too.
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: George^ on April 02, 2004, 06:16:27 PM
I'll keep the quickswitch in mind, but lately most of my firefights happen to be whoever gets the headshot first it's not really a thing with running out of bullets.

And also I'm not a fan of 1v1.  ;)   :D

Also, I am using 800x600 now.  the 1024 is just to much screen to look at and the 640 is just to much chat text to look at.


-George
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: Grimnar on April 02, 2004, 06:17:47 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by George@Apr 2 2004, 05:16 PM
I'll keep the quickswitch in mind, but lately most of my firefights happen to be whoever gets the headshot first it's not really a thing with running out of bullets.

And also I'm not a fan of 1v1.  ;)   :D

-George
you arn't?  :narnar:


And for pepp  if you wanna switch normal then don't scroll just press your number and press on your fire button goes a bit faster then the way you do (on default config) ;)
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: smilodon on April 02, 2004, 07:32:04 PM
Hi there,

Quick- switching is really important.

Rizzuh's (http://www.csnation.net/rze/aliases/index.php) keybinds lets you (amongst many other things) quick-switch between primary secondary and knife with a single button hit. If you bind the 'quick switching'  to the 1=primary,2=secondary ,3=knife and 4= C4 keys above the Q, W, E keys you can instantly snap between guns using any one of the middle three fingers of your left hand (there are several other key bind you could use to the same effect, just use what you're comfortable with.)  

Also as soon as you have exchanged fire with an enemy and they or you have ducked out of the line of fire 'always' move to a new spot. If you stay put they will find it much easier to line back up on you, as a player will anticipate where they think you are and begin re-aiming as soon as they move back into sight. Even if you have only moved a few feet to the left or right your enemy will have to re line up on you. That split second is enough for you to get the first shot in. I think the official military term is "Stick and Move"  :D

Do come onto the servers if you can. Maybe you could try the weekends?
Apart from having a great time you'll soon realise that with CS tactics we may all talk the talk in this forum, but sadly few of us can walk the walk on the server ;)  ;)
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: DuVeL on April 02, 2004, 07:44:28 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by smilodon@Apr 2 2004, 06:32 PM
Apart from having a great time you'll soon realise that with CS tactics we may all talk the talk in this forum, but sadly few of us can walk the walk on the server ;)  ;)
The rest is dead Men talking
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: George^ on April 07, 2004, 06:06:14 AM
Ok, I've learned to be more "sneaky" I guess.  And I'm getting alot more oppertunities for kills.  The problem seems to be now that I can't aim for crap.

Gosh I wish I knew the name of this map... It has the apartments, the "bananna" going to the one bombsite, the apartments to another and 2 routes on either side to the apartments bombsite.

I was camping the apartments to watch our back (as a T). And I decided to be a tad daring and camp right atop the steps, someone came around the corner I unloaded on them, they didn't die, they turn around shoot once and I'm dead (headshot).  I think I only did 44 damage to them with a Ak and they had a silenced colt.

I tried resorting to aim maps. but as many of you know if you go on a Aim_akcolt map, alot of idiots spray the colum or wall in front of you, which isn't really aiming, they are just guessing that you're on the other side cause that's where you spawned.  That does me no good.

Then I tried aim_usp with the ramps. and the walls.  Basically I was on CT and 1 person in T was just dominating, they were camping one of the ramps, would pop up HS or kill someone, slid back down kill some more ect.

I couldn't get a shot off.  And when I did see someone they'd shoot me (if they didn't get me the first shot my aiming cursor would go nuts from being hit and I couldn't aim to return fire, which is just useless....

Any advice? I have 2 aiming pratice maps that I can play on my own. cs_academybeta, and tr_weaponstraining or whichever.  They aren't there great as they just show figures on the wall and stationary hostages.  Stupid me I put the kick on 5 hostage kills option on when I made the server and kicked myself from it a few times before I realized it.  Well, at least I got a laugh out of it.

-George^    yeah I decided to go with ^
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: TeaLeaf on April 07, 2004, 07:40:29 AM
George^ or is it -George^?  
And do you want your forum name changed to match?  Let me know if you do and I shall 'make it so'.

Aiming:
Fire short bursts of 2-3 shots only in rapid succession.  (more shots than this and the recoil from the gun means your bullets are probably missing)
Aim at the top of the chest/neck area.  Recoil will probably push your second and third bullets a bit higher increasing the chance of you getting that headshot as opposed to missing all together!
An AK at close quarters and on full auto is apalling inaccurate - the situation you described has happened to me too.
Run netgraph 3 from console to make sure that your connection is not suffering from choke or loss.  Experiment with rate, cl_cmdrate and cl_updaterate in console to get the best combination for your connection - this will make sure what you fire has a chance of registering on the server you play on.

Very short piece of advice, but I hope it helps.

TL.
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: George^ on April 07, 2004, 07:46:55 AM
Changed name to:

George^

With no -

I guess I'm still at the point where when I see an enemy and they don't see me I just put my middle of the cursor on their held hold down my fire button and stafe like a madman.

I use a mouse made for laptops that's optical... it's dangerous for fine movements but when I get those big aiming adjustments I donno.

It's still rather hard for me to tell exactly where my first shot will go with my cursor using the ak or colt, of course with scout I know where it's going to go and I have that down alot better.  But people can still 1 shot me from across the map with an ak when I'm using a scout leaving me horriably disadvantaged.

I'm not sure on the cm rate settings, I'm not really into tweaking and I'd probably do more harm then good.

George^
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: TeaLeaf on April 07, 2004, 07:53:47 AM
And thus your name was changed..... :D

Practice the short bursts - it helps.  
Run netgraph 3 anyway - even if you don;t tweak it tells you if your connection is to blame for some of the misses.

TL.
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2004, 08:46:15 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by George^@Apr 7 2004, 06:46 AM
I'm not sure on the cm rate settings, I'm not really into tweaking and I'd probably do more harm then good.

George^
Have a look here (http://forum.deadmen.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=3365&view=findpost&p=31857) for info on tweaking - short sharp and to the point thanks to OB. There is also a small spreadsheet to play with if you want to get some good starting figures.
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: Moment on April 07, 2004, 09:05:42 AM
George^ if u go back to the dMw home page, there are tips for all the different ranges of weapons  :whistle:
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: Dr Sadako on April 07, 2004, 09:08:11 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Prophet@Apr 7 2004, 09:05 AM
George^ if u go back to the dMw home page, there are tips for all the different ranges of weapons  :whistle:
http://www.deadmen.co.uk/cs_guides.htm (http://www.deadmen.co.uk/cs_guides.htm)
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: George^ on April 08, 2004, 04:35:01 AM
Blueball and OB you guys rock...

4 ping on a server is just godlike lol.

I went from getting 30 choke on 1 server to 0-1 but it's not a very good server, then went I resorted the server list my pings dropped by 20 on almost every server.

Now my shots should register alot better, well back to working on my aim...  :P

George^
Title: I guess this is a tactics question.
Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2004, 12:46:34 PM
We're just passing on the stuff we pick up in other forums/sites. Glad it helped :D
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