Dead Men Walking

Just a small thing but could the map cycle possibily be put on the man deadmen page or on the load up screen of our server

Cheers!

i would say go to and you will find your cycle (http://www.deadmen.co.uk/) :rolleyes:

ok right can someone delete this before i am thought of as a complte idiot :whistle:

Too late  :lmfao:  :narnar:

TL.

Ill leave it for a couple of days incase anyone misses it  :narnar:

ROFL


Ahhhhh made my day :D

Crossposted to every newsgroup I have ever visited :D

Thanks for leaving it on. HAd a good laugh.  :lmfao:  :D  :lmfao:

got it. Nice one  idiot. :D

Talking of map cycles, if you're going to have maps in the cycle that cause admins to always switch to a new one straight away, why not just remove the maps altogether?

D"oh, another reload"M

QuoteOriginally posted by DogMeat@May 5 2004, 08:05 AM
Talking of map cycles, if you're going to have maps in the cycle that cause admins to always switch to a new one straight away, why not just remove the maps altogether?

D"oh, another reload"M

Hear hear.

It isn't that easy. All maps does not work for a full server or a 2 vs 2 game. Playing Rio 8 vs 8 is pushing it. Same would be playing 2 vs 2 on e.g. wolfenstein. Sometimes you need to change the map depending on how many players are on.

Sometimes we lose 3-5 players on a mapchange because they don't have the map . If it is late in the evening with fewer players on it could be a total killer. Even though we have implemented the fast download it is still heavy on modem players and it doesnt always work. Rather than killing the game completely it is better to change the map and keep playing for another hour.

2 words: map vote.

I don't recall admins asking if anyone actually wanted to change the map, it's just enter map, buy kit, take 2 steps and whoosh - off to (invariably) dust2.  And yes, I have mentioned it on the server and got no response from the admin involved.

This seems as good a thread as any to mention it.

D"miserable old bastard"M

here here doggers
dust 2 grrrrrrrrr..shudder shudder...ooops my tea is ready just when dust 2 pops up....map vote map vote map vote map vote :whistle:

QuoteOriginally posted by DogMeat@May 5 2004, 01:25 PM
2 words: map vote.

I don't recall admins asking if anyone actually wanted to change the map, it's just enter map, buy kit, take 2 steps and whoosh - off to (invariably) dust2.  And yes, I have mentioned it on the server and got no response from the admin involved.
 

The problem was that when we had map vote enabled we only ever played the same 3 maps for hours on end.  You just can't trust some people to exercise their democratic rights in a responsible manner, so we binned the map vote and now you play the rotation, subject to amendment by a TCS Admin if appropriate.  Map cycles are discussed regularly to try to ensure they stay fresh.

My apologies if an Admin just changed the map without asking, most Admins usually do and whomever it was will no doubt read this post and adjust the way they make such a change.

TL.

It doesn't have to be a vote for every map, just the these ones admins reckon are unsuitable for whatever reason.

DM

QuoteOriginally posted by DogMeat@May 5 2004, 07:51 PM
It doesn't have to be a vote for every map, just the these ones admins reckon are unsuitable for whatever reason.

DM

....or in the 18 minutes it takes to cast the votes and count them you could just play the map anyway?  ;)

Seriously though, there should be some sort of discussion before a map is changed.  A vote is a bit long-winded imo, but there should be some form of consultation.  Personally I tend to type the offer of a map change if I think the map is not suited to TCS and the numbers on the server.

TL.

If an admin decides to change the map then, as long as he posts a message saying who is doing it, so be it. No vote needed. That's why we appoint admins. They make decisions. If he makes a bad call then debate it afterwards.

On a related note is there any specific reason we stopped the quarterly map submission/vote  from pre TCS days? I used to enjoy the idea of checking out a load of new maps for a week and then getting to swapt the best for the least popular in the current rotation.
Did we feel that it messed about with TCS play too much or was there another reason?

QuoteOriginally posted by smilodon@May 5 2004, 10:05 PM
On a related note is there any specific reason we stopped the quarterly map submission/vote  from pre TCS days? I used to enjoy the idea of checking out a load of new maps for a week and then getting to swapt the best for the least popular in the current rotation.
Did we feel that it messed about with TCS play too much or was there another reason?

I agree. We need to revisit the rotation.

But, like a lot of things, when people are busy some things tend to drift to the 'back burner'.

QuoteOriginally posted by OldBloke@May 5 2004, 09:15 PM
If an admin decides to change the map then, as long as he posts a message saying who is doing it, so be it. No vote needed. That's why we appoint admins. They make decisions. If he makes a bad call then debate it afterwards.

I can't be arsed debating it afterwards.  I usually quit the game.  That solves the problem...

D"no funny quote"M

On a further related (slightly) note. A few weeks ago I was playing on meathook at about 00:30 with albert and sqounk (and others who have disappeared into a alchohol induced haze) and the admin (albert I think) changed the map after some consultation to fy_pool. Well what a hoot, we really did have some serious fun. Now I know that many discussions have taken place on theme nights and fun nights but what about just setting up homer to run fun maps after 23:00 every night, it adds a bit of choice to anyone playing that late when the servers are not at their fullest.

Its 23:55, after an evening of rose wine and, Havana club and coke, the above makes plenty of sense.

Zok

23.00 is 24.00 over here in the Netherlands. A bit late but it depends on which day it is then. Some of us have social lifes BTW, like going to the pub  ;) .
But a good idea.

QuoteOriginally posted by Zok@May 5 2004, 11:59 PM
On a further related (slightly) note. A few weeks ago I was playing on meathook at about 00:30 with albert and sqounk (and others who have disappeared into a alchohol induced haze) and the admin (albert I think) changed the map after some consultation to fy_pool. Well what a hoot, we really did have some serious fun. Now I know that many discussions have taken place on theme nights and fun nights but what about just setting up homer to run fun maps after 23:00 every night, it adds a bit of choice to anyone playing that late when the servers are not at their fullest.

Its 23:55, after an evening of rose wine and, Havana club and coke, the above makes plenty of sense.

Zok

Point noted. Thanks Zok.

I'm with zok on that one.  Now battle field vietnam bots are loosing their appeal I'm gonna be playing CS some more..... I love the fun maps from time to time.

The important thing is if we *knew* a time when fun maps would be on those feeling up to it would pay a visit.  I must admit there would be many a night when I'd not bother with the regular maps but later join for some fun maps.

QuoteOriginally posted by TeaLeaf@May 5 2004, 08:11 PM
....or in the 18 minutes it takes to cast the votes and count them you could just play the map anyway?  ;)

Seriously though, there should be some sort of discussion before a map is changed.  A vote is a bit long-winded imo, but there should be some form of consultation.  Personally I tend to type the offer of a map change if I think the map is not suited to TCS and the numbers on the server

But this doesn't happen in my experience.

Sorry to back-up DM but he's right - the admin often takes it upon himself to simply choose what he thinks is the most appropriate map and then loads it up.  Sadly this invariably means one of the "overplayed" maps like a dust2.

Not saying it's right or wrong (I personally don't care - I just drop if I don't like the admins choice), but DM is right.

I used to like map votes - problem was the % needed for change was always set too high.  You invariably needed 6 out of 12 people to vote one way, which never happened.

QuoteOriginally posted by DuVeL@May 6 2004, 05:59 AM
23.00 is 24.00 over here in the Netherlands. A bit late but it depends on which day it is then. Some of us have social lifes BTW, like going to the pub  ;) .
But a good idea.

nah you have cs work and the pub that is no life :narnar:  :whistle:

QuoteOriginally posted by Ice Hawk+May 6 2004, 03:25 PM-->