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Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: OldBloke on May 28, 2004, 01:42:09 AM
Info about v1.2 here. (http://www.csnation.net/#news7198)
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Gh0st Face Killah on May 28, 2004, 02:24:55 AM
QuoteAll you enthusiastic CZ players get ready to be amazed!

Why doesn't that fill me with excitement or confidence?  Oh wait its a valve product that would be why then!!
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Benny on May 28, 2004, 10:04:16 AM
Hold on you tarts.

We all play a FREE mod for a £10, very dated game and love it. CZ is the new incarnation which rightly or wrongly valve have buggered around with. Lets not fall into the Microsoft trap - I hate it because I should -

CZ to me is a good step forward in the multiplayer sense, I think it will be around for a while, and I'm ready to give it the benefit of the doubt.
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: DuVeL on May 28, 2004, 10:44:06 AM
I've been trying to get on our CS:CZ server but it stops loading when it's half way. Trying to sort that first. I've reinstalled Steam and  CS and CS:CZ last night. CS is working as usual but CS:CZ not. Hopefully I have some this afternoon to look for a solution.  :(
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Gh0st Face Killah on May 28, 2004, 11:29:08 AM
I like the product but don't like valves way of doing things. Lets not forget all the problems we have had with steam.
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Vincentvega on May 28, 2004, 06:03:05 PM
cant wait personally :dribble:
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: smilodon on May 28, 2004, 08:11:18 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Benny@May 28 2004, 10:04 AM
Hold on you tarts.

We all play a FREE mod for a £10, very dated game and love it. CZ is the new incarnation which rightly or wrongly valve have buggered around with. Lets not fall into the Microsoft trap - I hate it because I should -

CZ to me is a good step forward in the multiplayer sense, I think it will be around for a while, and I'm ready to give it the benefit of the doubt.
I agree with everything you say... except the words.



CZ is a step nowhere. It doesn't move the game on or add to the experience in any way. It is  anattempt to provide a single player version of  Counter-Strike. In that respect it's a complete disaster of a game and deserves nothing but derision.

As a multiplayer game it adds absolutely nothing to CS that can't be duplicated for free with PODBot and CSRU etc. Conspiracy theories about Valve trying to wean us all of CS and onto a paying version aside, CZ was an utter pointless excerice. More so as it now seems clear that CS 2 (Source) is the most likely future for CS.

There I'm done  :D
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Benny on May 28, 2004, 08:30:16 PM
Fairy muff.

Howabout, as they phase out support for CS I'm happy to have shelled out money so I can still play it, bug fixed (ish), updated and ready to go.

Steam has it's flaws, but it really is an ambitious step forward in the future of delivery.

I'm happy to agree to differ though. I'll even add a smilie so we are still friends. ;)
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Anonymous on May 28, 2004, 08:31:06 PM
...and I couldn't agree more with Smilodon. My perception is that Valve want me to pay for something that i already have. Sorry, but I ain't gonna do that.
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Zok on May 28, 2004, 10:05:58 PM
Well as you all know I have always been an ardent supporter of both steam and (especially) ConditionZero, so all I have to say is that I’m thoroughly looking forward to the next release and can’t wait until I get the bill for version 1.3.
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Anonymous on May 28, 2004, 11:00:16 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Benny@May 28 2004, 08:30 PM
Howabout, as they phase out support for CS I'm happy to have shelled out money so I can still play it, bug fixed (ish), updated and ready to go.
I ask why they didn't just keep supporting CS 1.6 until the HL2 version of CS was ready?

QuoteSteam has it's flaws, but it really is an ambitious step forward in the future of delivery.
I agree. Unfortunately, as we have all experienced, they cannot get it right. Any update over a few hundred kb seems to bring the system to it's knees at which point I find myself unable to play a game that i have paid for through no fault of my own. That is unacceptable in my book.

:) added 'coz I still luvs ya :D
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: DuVeL on May 28, 2004, 11:28:51 PM
I've got CS:CZ finally working. Another question tho: does any1 use Rzzhs helper on this thing? I can't get it to work. It works fine on CS but not on CS:CZ.
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: smilodon on May 29, 2004, 01:49:00 AM
Benninio,

I agree with you in principle. There's nothing wrong with Valve knocking out a new version of CS and charging us for it. I don't expect a free lunch. So when CS2 comes out I'd expect to pay full price for it. I'd never want to pay for it by the month as you dow with a MMORPG, but it would be daft to expect Valve to release it for nothing.

I also don't have an issue with Steam. It's launch was a complete mess and felt like alpha software when it came out. But it's a sensible way to update and patch games and if you want to buy a game with no box, manual or original disk that you will never be able to sell or part exchange for another game, then fill your boots.

I just can't see the point of CZ. It's a shocking single player game and doesn't do anything for multiplayer except possibly split the CS community into two.

Just for you sweety
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Waylander on May 29, 2004, 06:11:07 AM
If nothing else CZ has provided funds to bolster the VAC team at Valve. I was one of the people who helped code csguard for those of you who have been playing long enough to remember that piece of anti cheat software.
Nothing since punkbusters arrival on the scene has caused as much trouble for cheaters as VAC is doing right now.

When CZ came out it was only cosmetically different to CS however with each update that is becoming more and more untrue. The new changes in AI run in line with Source and its AI system which looks like it set on the whole for a seemless (cough) conversion process. CSSource, looks more like CZSource if you look at it closely and make more sense from a business point of view.
CS has already fallen behind, all it gets is native HLDS updated now.

You have had your moneys worth out of a HL Mod. Join the new generation :D
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: OldBloke on May 29, 2004, 10:25:29 AM
QuoteCS-Nation: What kind of updates to the hostages do CS fans have to look forward to?
cliffe: The new hostage AI is something we are really excited about and can't wait to see the reaction from the community. Hostages can now crouch, use ladders, break windows, run, jump, etc. They can go just about anywhere you go. Showing emotion is another area we wanted to concentrate on. The hostages will fidget if bored and show fear when gunfire breaks out. In addition, the hostages will slowly try to escape if unguarded. The terrorists will have to keep a tight reign on the hostages by sticking close or finding the fleeing hostage, making him return to the terrorist base by intimidating him.

Now that I like.  :)
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Red_Thunder on May 29, 2004, 12:34:23 PM
What was you saying Smilo ?

 <_<


Hmmm
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: smilodon on May 29, 2004, 01:54:50 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Red_Thunder@May 29 2004, 12:34 PM
What was you saying Smilo ?

 <_<


Hmmm
Eh?

========================================================

I still don't see how CZ is a transition to CS2. It still uses the original HL engine and so will be as obsolete as CS when CS2 finally comes out. So what's the point of it in the CS multiplayer evolution? Nothing. Talking hostages and advanced AI would have worked just as well in CS as in CZ. I still say that it's only role was to raise some cash for Valve.

There's nothing wrong with that at all. Valve release a new game and make some profit. Again my gripe is that they chose to make/commision such a really, really bad game. And my worry is that they will drop CS before CS2 is released, therefore forcing me to buy CZ if I want to continue playing. I begrudge having to rebuy a game I already own.  Valve would in effect have taken a game and buy manipulation of Steam they would be able to force everyone to buy it all over again. That's not ethical at all.

So as long as CS2 comes out before CS bites the dust then I think we'll all be happy.
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Maus on May 29, 2004, 05:24:35 PM
But smilo, as has already been suggested surely everyone will want to be playing CS:Source when it comes out. Now, I might begrudge Valve wanting to make me switch to CZ simply because CZ adds so little, but I would very happily pay for CS:Source. It is that game we'll all be playing while waiting for CS2 to arrive.

(however, in the meantime CZ seems like a waste of money, unless Valve let CZ owners get CS:Source at a discounted price later on, which isn't outside the realms of possibility)
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: smilodon on May 29, 2004, 07:11:45 PM
And I agree with you. By CS 2 I mean CS running on the new Source engine. Even if they don't add much in the way of additional gameplay features I'd still be happy to pay just for the graphics. Source looks like a great piece of software and I have no problem paying for it.
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Gone_Away on May 30, 2004, 08:14:48 PM
That's right Smilo.. Live in the past.

It's funny how you moan so much yet I rarely see you playing CS? Maybe I'm thick and I'll happily apologize in this thread but do you play under a different tag?

In any case, while you're still moaning about CS:CZ and playing CS 1.6, most of us prefer to move on and embrace the future.
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: smilodon on May 30, 2004, 11:38:09 PM
How often you do or do not see me playing CS has sod all to do with how good CZ is. If you're going to make a point try to keep it relevant to the subject. If you want to have a  nasty dig at me try using a PM.

I'll try to may my point once more using little words.

Demo's of Counter-Strike running under the Source engine are already out there, so it seems fair to assume that Valve intend to move CS over to their new engine. They have in fact said as much. So it shouldn't be too long before a retail/Steam version is available for download. As and when it is available I will happily be at the front of the queue ready to buy it. I'll spend my money and let Valve reap the rewards of their labours and help them invest in future developements. That's the future and I'm happy to be part of it.

Then there's CZ. It seems clear to me, and feel free to correct me on this one, that seeing as CZ is based on the original Half-Life engine it will be as obsolete as CS 1.6 when we all move over to the new Source powered CS (or CS2 as it is becoming known as). Therefore it's lifespan as a multiplayer game is limited and it has no long term future. Unless a person wanted to 'live in the past' and play it while we're all playing CS2 that is.

So it can only really be judged as a single player game, having no future as a multiplayer game. And as a single player game (and yes I have played it) it stinks.

Valve may well need additional funds to help them bring CS2, HL2 and whatever else they have in the pipline to market. But if they want me to help them fund their plans then they should produce a game worth buying rather than the grubby piece of crap they offered up to potential gamers.
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: OldBloke on May 30, 2004, 11:38:50 PM
I think you missed off a couple of smilies there Ninja.  :rolleyes:
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: ChimpBoy on May 31, 2004, 04:29:09 AM
Smilo - I think the point is that Valve released a crap game.  So what?  Hundreds of titles are brought out every year that are poor quality yet people buy them.  The delivery and publishing system were new.  Again, so what?  It's a new business model that has positive implications for small software companies.  So they made a lot of money off a lot of people like us.  And again, so what?

No one was suckered into buying CZ; no one had a gun to their head; no one bought it without having the opportunity to read a review beforehand which said it was dire.

Hate Valve all you want for releasing CZ, but perhaps all this anger and frustration over buying something that had flashing warning signs all over it for several years should look a little closer to home, accept they made a mistake, and then move on ;)

So you'll be first in queue for CS:Source?  Swell, but what if that turns out to be dire as well?  More Valve bashing?  They wouldn't be the first software house to churn out poor title after poor title.  Personally I think that if anyone bought CZ and was disappointed they should accept they made a mistake / got suckered by marketing and hype, move on and grow  :)   Here endeth the sermon.
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: smilodon on May 31, 2004, 12:29:30 PM
QuoteSmilo - I think the point is that Valve released a crap game. So what? Hundreds of titles are brought out every year that are poor quality yet people buy them. The delivery and publishing system were new. Again, so what? It's a new business model that has positive implications for small software companies. So they made a lot of money off a lot of people like us. And again, so what?

So nothing. Companies release games and we buy them. Some are good and some are crap. And sometimes we write our thoughts about those games in this forum. We don't usually get critisised for doing so. "It's a game but it aint CS" is full of them. When a company releases a game we like then we sing it's praises and when we think it's bad we have a dig if we feel so inclined. We do it with films, CS maps and even bits of  PC hardware. What am I doing different that requires people to have a pop?

QuoteNo one was suckered into buying CZ; no one had a gun to their head; no one bought it without having the opportunity to read a review beforehand which said it was dire.

Hate Valve all you want for releasing CZ, but perhaps all this anger and frustration over buying something that had flashing warning signs all over it for several years should look a little closer to home, accept they made a mistake, and then move on

I'm afraid I didn't buy CZ. I spent a jolly Saturday afternoon playing it on a mates PC. About three hours on the single player game and 45 minutes online. So I'm not angry or frustrated about anything.


Quote
So you'll be first in queue for CS:Source? Swell, but what if that turns out to be dire as well? More Valve bashing? They wouldn't be the first software house to churn out poor title after poor title. Personally I think that if anyone bought CZ and was disappointed they should accept they made a mistake / got suckered by marketing and hype, move on and grow Here endeth the sermon.

YES. If developers bring out crap games we have a long and illustrious history on this forum of saying so. When Valve released Steam, sadly for everyone including Valve, it had some serious initial problems. And we ALL (more or less) were pretty vocal in just what we thought of Valve.  EA games released BF Vietnam and plenty of us thought it was rubbish and were free to say so. HL2 looks like being a belter and even if it isn't I can accept that Valve invested a huge amount of time and money in it.  

So in conclusion I don't accept I bash Valve for the hell of it. If a company produces a good product they get praise and if they produce a bad one we are freee to give them critisism. I'm struggling to see why this game isn't allowed the bashing other games get.

This thread was 'originally' about the CZ 1.2 upgrade. It actually does appear to improve the game a little. It would have been nice if Turtle Rock had added a few more features like this one. I'd have liked to have seen more realistic wounding. Where a leg shot slows you down and an arm shot reduces your firing accuracy. Then a body shot would mean you leeched health down to about 20% as the game progressed, making you more vunerable to further hits. This could have upped the realsim and added new game play features. However I still think the idea of making the scoring like  'Tony Hawkes pro-Scater', while novel, didn't really work. They should have stuck with the original plan and made a Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six style game with a linked mission structure. Each mission would have been part of an overall campaign much like Splinter Cell etc.

the sad irony is that it seems my Brother has an unopened copy of CZ that he's even less interested in playing than I am. It seems he's going to give the thing to me. So, as I'm soon to be in possession of a free copy of CZ do I stick to my principles and throw it in the bin or do I become the complete hypocrite and load it up  :D

Here 'oh so very much' endeth the sermon.
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Benny on May 31, 2004, 01:44:19 PM
Definitely the latter
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Zok on May 31, 2004, 02:19:32 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by smilodon@May 31 2004, 11:29 AM
or do I become the complete hypocrite and load it up :D

I did
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2004, 02:37:45 PM
I would like to see this forum come back in line with what it is here for; namely, to discuss CS:CZ whether good or bad. The function of a game forum is to criticise or condem game or to offer help to people who might be having issues with said game. it is not to have a go at the other people.

/RANT ON
Everybody in this forum is entitled to an opinion and they should not be criticised for having one. If you disagree with a persons viewpoint feel free to disgree without making it personal or having a dig. If you cannot do that then I suggest you go to the COFR forums where you will find plenty like minded people.
/RANT OFF
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Doorman on May 31, 2004, 02:52:41 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Zok+May 31 2004, 01:19 PM-->
QUOTE (Zok @ May 31 2004, 01:19 PM)
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Red_Thunder on May 31, 2004, 03:06:04 PM
me wants the update NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW !! :P
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: ChimpBoy on June 01, 2004, 12:16:45 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by BlueBall@May 31 2004, 01:37 PM
I would like to see this forum come back in line with what it is here for; namely, to discuss CS:CZ whether good or bad. The function of a game forum is to criticise or condem game or to offer help to people who might be having issues with said game. it is not to have a go at the other people.

/RANT ON
Everybody in this forum is entitled to an opinion and they should not be criticised for having one. If you disagree with a persons viewpoint feel free to disgree without making it personal or having a dig. If you cannot do that then I suggest you go to the COFR forums where you will find plenty like minded people.
/RANT OFF
I seriously hope this isn't a dig at my comments BB - I don't think anything I said was a personal dig at, or would have offended, Smilo (although Zok buying CZ has tempted me sorely to make sarky comments after all his chimp bashing ;) )

I think Benny said it best - People are falling into the Microsoft trap: "I hate them because they are".  I have a real problem with this attitude, but haven't resorted to slander.

Everyone voices an opinion on CZ, just like movies, music, and other games.  But this just doesn't seem to be a topic we can move on from.  It's crap?  Fine.  It's OK? Fine.  It's good fun?  Fine.  Whenever someone posts that there's a CZ update the same old freakin' arguments pop up time and time again from the same old protagonists.  Stick to the facts guys - if you wanna generally bash CZ please post it in the "It's a game..." forum from now on :)
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: smilodon on June 01, 2004, 01:13:35 AM
My hypocracy does indeed know no bounds.

I'm a little concerned about the hostages geting up and running about. How will this affect game play? On the one hand it's going to be tougher for the CT's to round them up and break for home. On the other hand if they try to get back themselves they'll make life tough for the T's. I hope it will fit in nicely with the TCS style and keep T's close to the hossies. Could be a good move  :)
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: brass on June 01, 2004, 05:06:22 PM
Iv'e read all the posts in this thread and also bought CZ about a week ago. Since then I have played it quite a lot either on the missions or the standard maps full of bots and me. Maybe I am not as tuned into CS or appreciate the finer asthetics of it but to me any FPS game is for fun and whilst TCS adds to the fun and the enjoyment I still enjoy getting out there and shooting people just for the hell of it. Nobody calls me a frag monkey or several different shades of a*se*ole ( in fact one of the bots told me "good shot Sir" I was well pleased) and for £14.99 (free postage) I think it's money well spent and I thoroughly enjoy it :clap: LONG LIVE CZ  :clap:
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: DuVeL on June 01, 2004, 06:35:40 PM
Where are you now in the thing then? I'm on hard at tiles or something. These bots can be quit anoying from time to time. You're shooting with a sniper and they'll sit in front of you. It happend to many times. And why can't they buy defusal.  <_< And the 'Tbots, they can shoot with an MP5 a HS from 300 feat or so  :blink:
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: OldBloke on June 01, 2004, 07:47:09 PM
Looks like 1.2 will be released on Wed at 6pm PDT which is 2:00am Thursday for us UK bods (I think).
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Waylander on June 02, 2004, 06:37:54 PM
Little info about CS:S

All CS:S is showing what can be done using the new engines "back dating" tools. When HL2 arrives you will be able to play CS 1.6 using HL2 and will see the benefits of the upgraded engine. You will also be able to play CZ, or HL deathmatch or HL itself in theory.

In short any halflife mod can be played on the new engine using the conversion tools available.

CZ will continue to have upgrades and be supported, CS only gets generic updates that happen because a change to HL itself is released.

Very little is known about CS2, could it be that CZ will turn into CS2?
Thats a question that wont be answered until it happens but it is rumoured that Valve will "reward" CZ owners when CS2 arrives.
Could it be that CZ owners will get a free upgrade to CS2 (which makes sense if CS2 evolves from CZ or could it be that CZ owners will just have to pay a small upgrade fee instead of a full RRP.

I agree 100% with what smilodon is saying, CZ in its infancy was not different enough from CS1.6 to justify the price tag but with each update that is becoming more and more untrue.

Load it up mate, I am sure it will win you over ;)
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: smilodon on June 02, 2004, 07:42:29 PM
I wonder if it will make any difference which version a person has (I now have both as my hypocracy knows no bounds). CZ and CS1.6 are currently pretty identical with the exception of graphic quality. Agreed though, it will be interesting to see how far they drift apart as CZ is updated and CS 1.6 isn't. It would also be a nice touch for Valve to offer the CS:S upgrade for free or with a discount. Cynically though I fear Valve may be too tempted to release CS:S as a full price  new product and then drop both CS1.6 and CZ  :(

However it would be interesting to see how waterproof Cliffes 'Never charge for CS' deal is with Valve. Maybe they won't be able to charge for CS:S under the terms of their agreement. CZ was mainly a single player game and so probably didn't come under the deal. So we might all get CS:S for free after all  :D

However let me state before I'm verbally beaten up again, that if Valve add enough new content and innovative ideas to CS:S then I wouldn't have a problem with buying HL2 and CS:S as two separate games rather than expecting CS:S to be a free mod.   ;)
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Doorman on June 03, 2004, 01:13:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by smilodon@Jun 2 2004, 06:42 PM
So we might all get CS:S for free after all  :D

 
Aaah bless.  :)
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Zok on June 03, 2004, 12:35:28 PM
QuoteSTEAM NEWS
LATEST STEAM NEWS




Counter-Strike: Condition Zero 1.2 Released
June 2, 2004, 6:03 pm · cliffe
 
The official 1.2 update for CS:CZ has been released, and all other Steam games have been updated. Steam will update itself automatically when you restart. Here is a list of the changes:


COUNTER-STRIKE: CONDITION ZERO ADDITIONS:

Added new hostage models and animations

Added new hostage behaviors and dialogue

Added SPETSNAZ and Militia player models

Added crosshair customization (color, size, opacity)

Added player location system

Added exponential fog in OpenGL

Added in-game vgui progress bar for nav mesh analysis

Added de_sienna_cz

Added de_vostok_cz

COUNTER-STRIKE: CONDITION ZERO CHANGES:

Upgraded de_inferno_cz

Upgraded deagle view texture

Updated cs_italy_cz with 32 spawns

Upgraded weapon UI images

Tweaked glock and USP sounds

Tweaked snow walking sound

Corpses fade out with cl_corpse_stay

Grenades are dropped on death

Improved player turning right hitbox behavior

Improved shield behavior

Improved brass ejection behavior

Bots can use silencer on m4a1

Improved bot_auto_vacate behavior with spectators

Career tasks are reset on mp_restartround

Improved tutor behavior

hud_draw 0 doesn't remove blackout

Scope blackout drawn in software mode

Flashlight sound no longer masks weapon firing sounds

Improved text behavior in top-right corner of observer mode

Round timer doesn't re-appear until the round restarts when the bomb is defused or explodes

Improved player model hands

ALL STEAM GAMES:

Added refresh login dialogue for invalid login sessions (Invalid UserID ticket message)

History area in game console no longer gets key focus

One of the new changes looks particularly good
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Vincentvega on June 03, 2004, 02:18:44 PM
mine is updated but me and squonk couldnt get on our server ...
comin up with your map differs from this one bla bla bla......
does our server need updating aswell?
 :unsure:
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Red_Thunder on June 03, 2004, 02:43:01 PM
ma steams gone tits :|
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: TeaLeaf on June 03, 2004, 05:22:18 PM
Trying to update, but there's no bandwidth available from the Valve servers.   :(
 
TL.
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Red_Thunder on June 03, 2004, 05:54:30 PM
Do you get games Unvailable, please try again another time ?


All mine games have reduced to 0% :S


hmm interesting
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Vincentvega on June 03, 2004, 06:12:33 PM
mines ok   i just get  "server verification failed" on some servers  even cs 1's :unsure:
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Waylander on June 03, 2004, 06:52:35 PM
Our servers have all been updated.

TL you want a barebone ?
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: OldBloke on June 03, 2004, 07:22:29 PM
CZ server updated.  :D

Running a shortened mapcycle to try out:

de_inferno_cz
de_sienna_cz
de_vostok_cz
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: GhostMjr on June 03, 2004, 09:06:59 PM
okedokie oldy! THe new patch has brightened it up! its great now ;)
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: DuVeL on June 03, 2004, 09:18:43 PM
The new patch has this:

About Brass, what is this supposed to mean in the CS:CZ update: Improved brass ejaction behaviour.  :blink:  :unsure:  :ph34r:
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: brass on June 03, 2004, 11:35:43 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by DuVeL@Jun 3 2004, 08:18 PM
The new patch has this:

About Brass, what is this supposed to mean in the CS:CZ update: Improved brass ejaction behaviour. :blink: :unsure: :ph34r:
It obviously means I can't play, when I try to log in it gets to "connecting to server" then just hangs about 25% of the way in of the process.
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: ChimpBoy on June 04, 2004, 12:58:20 AM
I like the fact that in the update grenades will be available to pick up, like guns and defuse kits are now (at least thats how I've read it - haven't played it yet).

Between this, new skins, maps, and the intelligent hossies CZ is shaping up nicely as a replacement for 1.6.

Sorry to say it, but the gulf between CS and CZ is widening to the point where you have to question why you'd bother playing CS anymore, bar matches and fave servers  :)
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Red_Thunder on June 04, 2004, 01:26:20 PM
Brilliant Update IMO

Yeah u can pick up nades from dead bodies. Great !
Hossies are great - love the way they cover their heads in fire fights, and move
New player models great!
Maps great!
Crosshair changers pretty cool too

hehe :D
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: GhostMjr on June 04, 2004, 10:03:06 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Red_Thunder@Jun 4 2004, 12:26 PM
Brilliant Update IMO

Yeah u can pick up nades from dead bodies. Great !
Hossies are great - love the way they cover their heads in fire fights, and move
New player models great!
Maps great!
Crosshair changers pretty cool too

hehe :D
Crosshairs r bad when the accuracy goes down they grow really big! O medium crosshair you can't aim after a few shots of ak :blink:
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: TeaLeaf on June 05, 2004, 06:39:20 AM
I can't be bothered to quote GhostMjr's full comments, but suffice it to say that:

His first sentence is kind of obvious - you may want to totally re-word it GhostMjr so that it makes some sort of sense?

His second sentence gives me far more information than I need to know.  What you do on your own toilet is private and should not be posted in these forums  :blink:  [sorted, BB]

TL.
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Zok on June 05, 2004, 10:48:43 AM
I have this pie, it’s not a very nice pie, but I find that I have to keep eating this pie.

CS:CZ it just keeps getting better.

Chimpy, please forgive me so I can get rid of this goddam pie.
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Whitey on June 05, 2004, 10:53:03 AM
How long do you think the update will take on a 64K ISDN line? :whistle:

I should get the game on Monday (ordered from Play.com).
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: smite on June 05, 2004, 11:09:13 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by whitey@Jun 5 2004, 10:53 AM
How long do you think the update will take on a 64K ISDN line? :whistle:

I should get the game on Monday (ordered from Play.com).
Tuesday should sort it :D
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Red_Thunder on June 05, 2004, 11:13:48 AM
Mine took hmm 2hrs i think :/
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: DuVeL on June 05, 2004, 11:15:48 AM
Is our CZ server offline?
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Anonymous on June 05, 2004, 11:42:20 AM
No, you've been banned  :devil:

I think the server has died. you'll need to wait for someone with remote access to sort it (OB or TL)
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: FatBob on June 05, 2004, 11:50:45 AM
did someone say pie???
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Maus on June 05, 2004, 12:02:05 PM
Okay, you're all making me want to cave in and go buy CZ. Any idea roughly how much downloading I'd need to do after a fresh-from-the-box install before it's ready to go?
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: smite on June 05, 2004, 12:09:42 PM
http://forum.deadmen.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=5245 (http://forum.deadmen.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=5245)
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Gh0st Face Killah on June 05, 2004, 12:34:53 PM
The 2 new maps included in the update look rather good and seem to play ok as well. Need to have a proper play rather than with bots though I think.
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: OldBloke on June 05, 2004, 01:10:46 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by DuVeL@Jun 5 2004, 11:15 AM
Is our CZ server offline?
Back now.  :)
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: smilodon on June 05, 2004, 08:34:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Mouse@Jun 5 2004, 12:02 PM
Okay, you're all making me want to cave in and go buy CZ. Any idea roughly how much downloading I'd need to do after a fresh-from-the-box install before it's ready to go?
After my first distasterous attempt to answer you question I'll have another go.

Yes there is a big download as soon as you transfer CZ into Steam. Smites link explains what happens nicely.

When I did it there was an update to both HL, CZ and CZ Deleted Scenes that took about  10-15 minutes on an ADSL line. There is now the CZ 1.2 update to deal with. I'm not sure how long this all took as I left the PC running and went out while it updated to CZ 1.2. I would guess about 30-40 minutes again on my ADSL line.

Assuming you have ADSL it shouldn't be too much trouble. A dial up or ISDN line will be more of a problem and you might want to install CZ last thing at night so it can do it's thing overnight.

Finally make sure you log out and exit Steam after the updates. Then log back in and you shouldn't get the file mismatch and connect failures that have been reported.

Hope this helps.
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: Whitey on June 05, 2004, 08:45:00 PM
Thanks Smite/Smilo. Hope to see some of you on CZ Tuesday night  :whistle:
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: DuVeL on June 05, 2004, 08:46:37 PM
Don't download the deleted scenes, it's not worth it. You can allways download it another time if you have absolutely nothing to do (read: work).
Title: CS:CZ v1.2 next week
Post by: smilodon on June 05, 2004, 08:59:49 PM
One final point. I noticed several copies of CZ in a second hand games shop called CEX (http://www1.cex.co.uk/) in my local high street. As far as I am aware if you 'delete local content' you can unregister the game with Steam and sell it on to someone else if you ever choose to uninstall it . (I may be very wrong here?).

Assuming I'm right it would probably be better to buy the game retail rather than download it through Steam. You also get a nice manual telling you how to play CS ;) as well as an original disk, which is comforting to have.
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