QuoteOriginally posted by Benny@Aug 3 2004, 08:59 AMI am with you on this Benny. I was on the CZ server when the Rcon messages came on the CZ server about starting up a game on MH. We moved to MH when the round was over to find it empty. There was no one idling on it at all.
The Benny Solution ™ is....
Go and buy the game, you cheapskates. CZ is better. Yes, you heard, it's better. CS is still good and still the community backbone, but CZ is a tarted up version and just to stick my head out, I don't see why, when there is a full game on CZ, people should go back to the hook, just because one person is idling.
Flame on. Girls.
QuoteOriginally posted by whitey@Aug 3 2004, 04:47 PMIf more people bought it we could go CZ instead ... it is a better game than 1.6.
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I was really glad to get off the CZ server last night and onto the hook. It's just so frustrating trying to play in a TCS style with a team who are more interested in frag hunting. I think it was myself and DA on the Terrorist side on Dust 2 and we would call rush on B or long A etc and you would end up with two or maybe three people going the same way and everyone else looking after themselves (non dMw members obviously) <_<
CZ is obviously a better game it's just the fact it's open to the public I don't like.
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QuoteOriginally posted by whitey@Aug 3 2004, 03:47 PMIf you want to have TCS on CZ then it won't work - not enough folks in the clan have it. That's why we (I assume?) leave the CZ server public and switch the bots on.
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I was really glad to get off the CZ server last night and onto the hook. It's just so frustrating trying to play in a TCS style with a team who are more interested in frag hunting. I think it was myself and DA on the Terrorist side on Dust 2 and we would call rush on B or long A etc and you would end up with two or maybe three people going the same way and everyone else looking after themselves (non dMw members obviously) <_<
CZ is obviously a better game it's just the fact it's open to the public I don't like.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ChimpBoy@Aug 4 2004, 02:32 AMI had an excellent game with 10 dMw peeps on the server with 6 public slots taken.
If you want to have TCS on CZ then it won't work - not enough folks in the clan have it. That's why we (I assume?) leave the CZ server public and switch the bots on.
If you want TCS then we'd have to switch off CS, and mandate CZ as the way the community goes. Unlikely to happen, but it's arguably the right way to go.
Like Benny, I struggle to see the validity of 1.6. Lets be honest, it's crap once you get into CZ, and a TCS CZ would be pretty awesome. But there ain't enough on at the same time for a good 5v5 or 6v6, let alone a full dmw population.
QuoteOriginally posted by ChimpBoy@Aug 4 2004, 02:32 AM...and that ladies 'n' germs is part of the prob. Having both CS and CZ is causing issues as some won't upgrade because they feel that it's giving money to a bunch of w*****s who could have coded most of this into CS (admittedly without the eye candy) and those who feel CZ is much better and are glad they upgraded.
Personally, I don't play CS at all now unless there's a match - when the call comes for folks to move from CZ to Meat Hook I normally just drop off and do something else. Once you get into CZ then why on earth would you want to play CS?!?
QuoteOriginally posted by Maus@Aug 4 2004, 07:39 AMCz is much more laggy that cs. This for broadband users aswell! I suggest you wait till you get broadband or suffer the probs with dial up! It does add 30 or mayb 15 to your ping sometimes! but it seems to settling down gradually!
Oh, another issue slowing down my getting of CZ is that I am concerned about how it'll play over my modem. When DoD wnt retail they added something that made it so I couldn't play on servers higher than 4v4 without constant lagouts. It's concievable that something could have been added to CZ (in the extra hossie code, or whathaveyou) that would fubar my game.
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Title: To CZ or not to CZ?
Post by: Armitage on August 04, 2004, 12:08:09 PM
just wondered how many people haven't got a copy of cz yet. If it's most. i can't see a problem moving over to a CZ:TCS server.
Title: To CZ or not to CZ?
Post by: Zok on August 04, 2004, 12:12:06 PM
There isn’t much more to be said, just to add my voice to the already running crowd that would like to see a CZ server with password protection so we can play it the way it should be played.
Just as a footnote I’d like to add that as a former ardent slater of CZ and all it stood for (ripping off the punters) in the years that I have been playing CS (from beta 6 I think) many changes have taken place, since version 1 the changes have been less noticeable and further between. When CZ was first released it was more or less the same game as CS, hence my and many others disgust that we should be charged 30 quid for a game that we already own, since then Valve have made some major changes to the visuals and more importantly the game play, the way that nades now perform is my particular favourite, now it may be argued that these changes could have been made when CS was still a free modification to an existing game, but would they have happened so quickly, and would they have been of the same quality? I am now the proud owner of CZ and find that I can only sing its glories, for £13 I can continue to enjoy a game I have been playing for years, and if we can have a TCZ server, playing with the people I enjoy playing with, plus I get to have a go at testing CS.source which looks like the next logical step in the CS evolution.
Title: To CZ or not to CZ?
Post by: smilodon on August 04, 2004, 06:30:46 PM
[rant]
As and when CS:S takes over the mantle from CS 1.6 this will all be academic. In the meantime perhapse we should remember we're a community and some community spirit wouldn't hurt. It's clear there are some without CZ and some who have it but don't much care for it, and the split is affecting their ability to enjoy CS. Using the CZ server as an open advert for the -=[dMw]=- is laudable and it's understandable that those of us with CZ would want to have a some fun playing it on the CZ server. On the other hand deserting the CS servers completely strikes me as monumentally selfish. It gives no consideration to those who do not own CZ but still want to be fully inclusive members of the -=[dMw]=- community. Not everyone here has the money, inclination or bandwidth to run CZ and that shouldn't be forgotten. A mass exodus to the CZ server is going to marginalise those without CZ and that will be to the detriment of the community as a whole. CZ is rarely able to be played in the TCS style, and that far more than fancy graphics and talking hostages should dictate where we spend most of our time. Fortunatley most people are conscious of the potental issues and spread their time between all the servers fairly. Those that don't might want to think on.....or not . It's a free world I guess. [/rant]
Title: To CZ or not to CZ?
Post by: DarkAngel on August 04, 2004, 08:05:41 PM
This all began due to player shortages as its the summer and therefore there is a slum in players. It will pick up again after summer when its too cold to go outside. And then cs:source/hl2 will be out and maybe discuss a change then with all peoples vies etc. I just blame valve for bringing out cz dam them.
Title: To CZ or not to CZ?
Post by: Anonymous on August 04, 2004, 08:10:57 PM
If that was true then all servers would be equally affected. Unfortunately people are choosing to play CZ in preference to CS.
Title: To CZ or not to CZ?
Post by: Benny on August 04, 2004, 08:26:16 PM
That is fair enough Smilo, ain't there always a but...if the majority of the community have it, should they not play 'their' new game because the minority of the community won't spend £11 ish quid on a game they've been playing for free for 4 years?
I mean, even you have it! And Zok has changed his tune, and he's old and stubborn. Either way, I'm not fussed, I take back my point earlier, I went back to the hook quite happily last night. So I'll go wth the admin flow. Just out of interest, will we be playing 1.6 when HL2, source or whatever comes out because some of the community won't upgrade? Anyway, have a smiley to show we're still friends, we can cross swords at the LAN, (in the urinals) ;)
Title: To CZ or not to CZ?
Post by: Armitage on August 04, 2004, 08:56:47 PM
it's 8.50 meathook is empty. and the cz is 12/16. not sure we can stop the evolution. I think there is a line from x-man that says the same :huh:
i fear for the release of cs:source. when it means upgrading full systems rather than a £13 add on. will realy split us down the middle. speaking as someone who is running a p4 1.7ghz I guess i will have to buy a whole new box :unsure:
Title: To CZ or not to CZ?
Post by: smilodon on August 04, 2004, 09:12:44 PM
There's nothing to suggest that Valve plan to charge anything for CS:S. So on that assumption I imagine it will be much as the move from CS 1.5 to 1.6.
Assuming the Leagues update and the main body of the community also update then it seems fairly straight forward that -=[dMw]=- will update as well. If there are major issues about minimum hardware specs of Valve decide to charge for Source then I guess we're in a sticky spot ;) And to clarify, people can do what ever they like with their own software and it would be daft to expect CZ owners to not play their games. I just have an issue with people utterly deserting CS 1.6 and TCS in favour of it. Seems to me to be against the -=[dMw]=- spirit and a bit of a 'two fingers' to anyone who doesn't own a copy. We're an inclusive community which is why CZ hasn't been adopted totally and Cs 1.6 dropped. No one can agrue that played TCS style CZ ins't a lot better and more fun than CS 1.6. :)
Title: To CZ or not to CZ?
Post by: Anonymous on August 04, 2004, 09:27:35 PM
:dmw: :withstupid: :dmw:
Title: To CZ or not to CZ?
Post by: TeaLeaf on August 04, 2004, 10:19:18 PM QuoteOriginally posted by BlueBall@Aug 4 2004, 09:27 PMPsst. Stop posting stuff and get on the MH - you're missing a classic session! TL.
Title: To CZ or not to CZ?
Post by: smilodon on August 04, 2004, 10:37:14 PM
Sigh...I'm setting up my new firewall. Yawnnnnn but it has to be done :(
Title: To CZ or not to CZ?
Post by: Dr Sadako on August 04, 2004, 10:38:23 PM Quoteit's 8.50 meathook is empty. and the cz is 12/16. not sure we can stop the evolution. Quote [rant] Sorry but I get quite irritated when I read this. The community isn't there just so you can have a game when it pleases you (and by you I mean any community member). Get on the server and idle if you want a game!!! Then it would be 1/16 instead of 0/16. The server will not be populated unless you join yourself. Spam friends. Post in the forums. Do your part to get a game going. Not idling to get a game going but waiting for someone else to do the job is against the -=[dMw]=- spirit and a bit of a 'two fingers' to anyone part of the community imho. If people want to play CZ let them. What are we talking about ... maximum 16 players that don't play CS ... gee let me think .... only 403 other community members that can play CS. <_< [/rant] Sue me. ;)
Title: To CZ or not to CZ?
Post by: Anonymous on August 04, 2004, 11:28:54 PM
I was going to reply to that but I decided it ain't worth it <_<
Title: To CZ or not to CZ?
Post by: DarkAngel on August 04, 2004, 11:35:33 PM
CS: Source will run on any machine as quoted from that video on the forum. Its just that the better your pc is the better the game will look it will still be the same game underneath so hold your upgrade m8.
Title: To CZ or not to CZ?
Post by: ChimpBoy on August 05, 2004, 12:43:56 AM QuoteOriginally posted by Cadaver@Aug 4 2004, 10:11 AMPrecisely - the commercial "I got ripped off" argument just isn't valid anymore, as Zok also said. The changes to the initial CZ model have more than justified any money I spent. Is it really going to break anyone's bank to pay £13 for a copy of CZ? QuoteI just have an issue with people utterly deserting CS 1.6 and TCS in favour of it. Seems to me to be against the -=[dMw]=- spirit and a bit of a 'two fingers' to anyone who doesn't own a copy. We're an inclusive community which is why CZ hasn't been adopted totally and Cs 1.6 dropped Sorry, but why on earth should I play a game I don't enjoy as much, when there's a perfectly good CZ game going? It's not for you or anyone else to tell others what they should play and when they should play it, or draw inferences from their actions. And I haven't abandoned TCS. Why would you say that? Just because there's bots and public players doesn't mean I have become a fragger. I still play CZ in the spirit of TCS, just on a better game engine that doesn't look 10 years old. If we're an inclusive community then lets drop one of the unused CS servers, and give folks what they've been asking for in this thread. We have four servers in total, of which only two are ever really in use (CZ and MH, plus Balders on a matchnight). Drop Homer and set up a pw protected CZ server for community bods. I can't remember when the last call came onto a CS server for people to drop and help make a second CS game.
Title: To CZ or not to CZ?
Post by: Dr Sadako on August 05, 2004, 07:32:46 AM QuoteOriginally posted by ChimpBoy@Aug 5 2004, 12:43 AMI second that. A passworded TCZ server would be very nice indeed.
Title: To CZ or not to CZ?
Post by: TeaLeaf on August 05, 2004, 07:38:44 AM
dMw is currently a CS-based community and for the time being we will remain so.
Our community will continue to develop as do the games we play. Healthy debate about our future is welcomed, but we feel that as Source is so close now we do not feel it is worth evaluating the rights or wrongs of any immediate change. If Source is as good as everyone hopes it will be then it may, in turn, overtake CZ's apparent current popularity. Nothing is certain and we need to wait for Source to be released before we consider re-evaluate how the community should progress. We will revisit this issue again when Source is released and stable. In the mean time, please feel free to continue the debate as everyone's input is valued. Thank you. Oldbloke & TeaLeaf
Title: To CZ or not to CZ?
Post by: ChimpBoy on August 05, 2004, 07:49:41 AM
Fine by me Leaf - no one on here is saying drop 1.6. It's just that a few of us would like the opportunity to play CZ on a private server.
I also think it's touching that you think Source is close ;) In a cynical world it's nice to see folks who still believe ;)
Title: To CZ or not to CZ?
Post by: Maus on August 05, 2004, 08:02:16 AM
(well, CS:S did just get delayed yesterday ;) )
Title: To CZ or not to CZ?
Post by: smilodon on August 05, 2004, 09:09:14 AM QuoteOriginally posted by Sadako@Aug 4 2004, 10:38 PM Quote[rant]We're at cross purposes here matey. I agree completely with everything you say. I don't have any issue with anyone playing any game they like. CS 1.6 players could make more effort to get a game going I agree. My issue was with people who won't play CS anymore at all. No matter how many people idle on the MH they have decided to shun CS 1.6 completely. I still argue that that isn't in the spirit of the community. We're a CS community not a CZ one. If someone won't even play CS anymore I think that's a little poor. QuoteLike I say no one should be dictating what someone plays or doesn't play. Right now I don't have the time to play either CS or CZ and I'd be a bit upset it someone moaned at me about it. Again my issue is only about dropping CS completely in favour of CZ. :)
Title: To CZ or not to CZ?
Post by: Dr Sadako on August 05, 2004, 09:58:33 AM QuoteOriginally posted by smilodon@Aug 5 2004, 09:09 AMI see what you mean now. I just want to add that we are both a CS and a CZ community now as we have matches in both games and a CZ server. I don't think we should drop 1.6 at all. Three of four matches are in CS1.6 so there is no reason to even think that we are dropping it until CS:S comes out (if/when etc). Still I feel it is unfair to tell people to drop a good CZ game to go to the hook if there isn't anyone on the hook idling.
Title: To CZ or not to CZ?
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