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dMw Chit Chat => The Beer Bar => Technology Section => Topic started by: Jamoe on August 14, 2004, 10:31:15 AM

Title: Is this any good/cheap?
Post by: Jamoe on August 14, 2004, 10:31:15 AM
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/in...d=64776&_LOC=UK (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=64776&_LOC=UK)

OCZ Premier (OCZ400512PH) 512MB DDR400 PC3200
£57.99 inc VAT

looking for new memory and this came to my attention. Just wondered what u lot thinkof it?
Title: Is this any good/cheap?
Post by: Barley on August 14, 2004, 07:10:21 PM
Looks alright to me :)
Title: Is this any good/cheap?
Post by: DarkAngel on August 15, 2004, 07:36:56 PM
I always recommend going for Crucial memory good reliable make and well priced tho that one looks ok..
Title: Is this any good/cheap?
Post by: Norm on August 15, 2004, 07:40:37 PM
Totally bullet proof m8,you will have no problems unless u try running it with 12 volts through it. ;)
Title: Is this any good/cheap?
Post by: TeaLeaf on August 15, 2004, 07:51:28 PM
OCZ are a good brand and this particular stick is in their entry level or 'mainstream' range of RAM, i.e. it doesn't cost the earth,  but it is good to go at the stated 200FSB speed at stock voltages.  The OCZ page describing these sticks is here (http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/memory/OCZ_DDR_PC-3200_Premier_Dual_Channel).

Reviews show it to be excellent quality RAM.  OCZ is known for loving lots of Vram and a variety of reviews show that at the standard 2.6v it will comfortably run its rated 3-8-3-3 timings.

Increase your Vram to 2.8V and these sticks generally top 225Mhz FSB and run tighter at 2.5-7-3-3.
At 3.0v and 3-7-3-3 timings the sticks usually beat 240Mhz.
I saw one review running 3.2v and getting 245Mhz FSB :blink:

Personally I wouldn't usually want to go higher than 2.8-2.9v on Vram but at these prices you can afford to blow a few sticks along the way!

TL.
Title: Is this any good/cheap?
Post by: Norm on August 15, 2004, 07:55:00 PM
I can do you some serious RAM if you want to play with the big boyz :)
Title: Is this any good/cheap?
Post by: TeaLeaf on August 15, 2004, 07:59:08 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Norm@Aug 15 2004, 07:55 PM
I can do you some serious RAM if you want to play with the big boyz :)
Norm, when I do my next system upgrade you will definitely be providing me with the RAM ;)

I just need to figure out _what_ the upgrade will be :norty:

Currently looking at 64 bit plus some serious overclocking cooling (compression cooling I hope).  Not decided on the Intel/AMD argument yet so that RAM decision will have to wait.

TL.
Title: Is this any good/cheap?
Post by: Jamoe on August 16, 2004, 12:49:57 PM
cheers guys.

what u got then norm :)

i probably wont OC anything so theres no need there. I just want something thats gonna run sweet :)

Intel Pentium 4 2.4ghz 800FSB
Asus P4P800VM

running
2 x Ebuyer 256 DDR400 PC3200 Extra Value Ram

Which is really holding up my machine.

looking for a gig of ram. :)
Title: Is this any good/cheap?
Post by: TeaLeaf on August 16, 2004, 01:02:28 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Jamoe@Aug 16 2004, 12:49 PM
Intel Pentium 4 2.4ghz 800FSB
Asus P4P800VM

running
2 x Ebuyer 256 DDR400 PC3200 Extra Value Ram

Which is really holding up my machine.

looking for a gig of ram. :)
Intel run a 'quad-pumped' FSB which is marketing BS for running a 200Mhz FSB which runs a DDR (x2) via dual channel architecture (x2 again).  This speed is exactly the same as the PC3200 rated RAM you are using, so I doubt that it is holding your system up if it is already running at that speed in BIOS.

So the question is, do you need more RAM?  Maybe, but the performance improvement from 512MB > 1GB is marginal for most users.  I would suggest waiting a while before upgrading the CPU/mobo combo - LGA775 is still too new and too expensive and any wortwhile speed increase on a Northwood CPU is also too expensive for the returns it will give you.

Not wanting to do Norm out of a sale here, but I would save your money and wait.

TL.
Title: Is this any good/cheap?
Post by: Dr Sadako on August 16, 2004, 01:21:09 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by TeaLeaf@Aug 16 2004, 01:02 PM
So the question is, do you need more RAM? Maybe, but the performance improvement from 512MB > 1GB is marginal for most users.
I agree. I have 1024 MB in my shuttle and the only game so far that I have noticed any difference in is FarCry. It is way smoother with 1024 than with 512. A markedly improvement.
Title: Is this any good/cheap?
Post by: Jamoe on August 16, 2004, 04:22:53 PM
i was thinking that because im running cheap ebuyer stuff, its the chepaest i could find. 30£ a piece that it was cack.

i have some crucial here waiting to go into another machine imbulding for a few friends. (the case came and was heavily dented, sending it back to ebuyer when they sort out there RMA rubbish)

ill stick that in and see if it makes a difference.

i had buld another system with a barton amd xp 2500 and it had crucial memory. It boots alot faster and is generaly more responsive then mine :/.

ill try that crucial and hopefully find out if it effects anything.
Title: Is this any good/cheap?
Post by: TeaLeaf on August 16, 2004, 04:35:29 PM
If it runs at the speed you have set in the BIOS then it works fine.  Generally if it does not work at the speed set in BIOS then the PC will not boot.  The only other difference might be the timings - more expensive RAM usually runs on tighter timings than the default SPD timings for cheaper RAM, but a lot of cheap RAM will also tighten up to those same timings if given a little gentle encouragement (e.g. tweak the Vram up a wee bit ;))

You can check your RAM speed in something like SisoftSandra.  Might be worth a go to check the difference between different RAM sticks.

TL.
Title: Is this any good/cheap?
Post by: Jamoe on August 16, 2004, 07:01:06 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by TeaLeaf@Aug 16 2004, 03:35 PM
If it runs at the speed you have set in the BIOS then it works fine.  Generally if it does not work at the speed set in BIOS then the PC will not boot.  The only other difference might be the timings - more expensive RAM usually runs on tighter timings than the default SPD timings for cheaper RAM, but a lot of cheap RAM will also tighten up to those same timings if given a little gentle encouragement (e.g. tweak the Vram up a wee bit ;))

You can check your RAM speed in something like SisoftSandra.  Might be worth a go to check the difference between different RAM sticks.

TL.
whooooosh

hehe, ill have to look into this. Ill post back if i struggle :)