We have three matches on Aztec in the coming eight days. Two of the matches are 6 vs 6 and one is 5 vs 5. All of the matches are ghost matches. So should we try and practice on this map again?
Practice today (Saturday) at 18.00 on Baldric?
Another one tomorrow at the same time?
(The next match for Zombies is on Inferno.)
Slightly later is normally better for me - allows time to get the kids off to bed first :D Maybe 8pm instead?
If we do a praccie thenit should be in Baldric not on Homer as it confuses the regulars when they arrive to find us flanking them and taking Smite's head off with an awm :wink:
TL. 8)
QuoteMaybe 8pm instead?
TL. 8)
After 8 pm is good for me. See you on Baldric.
Are we going to allow Zombies in on Ghosts practice sessions? They'll learn everything we know about tactics and strategies. :army:
QuoteAre we going to allow Zombies in on Ghosts practice sessions? They'll learn everything we know about tactics and strategies. :army:
We have clan tactics not squad tactics. We learn off each other I hope.
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We have clan tactics not squad tactics. We learn off each other I hope.
ill try to be there.
i need to learn lots and lots andlots and after all that learning i need to learn even more :?
I'm becoming disillusioned with this 2-squad routine. I know that Oldie said that it was an experiment so here's my feedback on the experiment:
IMHO it is divisive from both teams viewpoints. I wonder if in a few years time we will end up with a third team or even end up splitting the clan (ok that's real worst case stuff but it is possible). Personally, I would like to see things go back to the old way.
My opinion 4 what it's worth.
I hear what you're saying BB and I'm happy for everyone to feedback on the squad experiment .... but not just yet.
I want the thing to run for a long enough period so that all the pros and cons surface. To that end I suggest that in early Jan 2003 I will start a topic asking for feedback on the squad experiment. When everyone has had a chance to express their views I will then put up a vote to either revert or carry on.
I hope that's acceptable to all.
one of the plus sides i like about the system is that you know when you put your name down for a match, you know there is going to be a good chance of playing. where before there would be 15 people on IRC and just end up wasting half hour until the teams were picked. and also you always had to be on around, were this way i know there are certain days I keep free for matches.
And i don't see it spilting up the clan. as we have so many members even when there are matches on you can still get a game on MH.
QuoteQuoteAre we going to allow Zombies in on Ghosts practice sessions? They'll learn everything we know about tactics and strategies. :army:
We have clan tactics not squad tactics. We learn off each other I hope.[/b]
It was a JOKE!
Quoteone of the plus sides i like about the system is that you know when you put your name down for a match, you know there is going to be a good chance of playing. where before there would be 15 people on IRC and just end up wasting half hour until the teams were picked. and also you always had to be on around, were this way i know there are certain days I keep free for matches.
Yes I agree 100%. Before the squads were formed we had 15 ppl signed up for a 5 vs 5 game. It must be hell for the teamleader to pick 5 that haven't played when we have 3-7 matches per week. Who wants to do the check how many matches each person have played. Now with squads it is much easier.
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And i don't see it spilting up the clan. as we have so many members even when there are matches on you can still get a game on MH.
There are mixing av Z and G, mostly in G matches suprisingly.
QuoteAre we going to allow Zombies in on Ghosts practice sessions? They'll learn everything we know about tactics and strategies. :army:
I don't see us as Z and G but as dMw, that is why I thought that a practice is good for us as a clan. I suggested this as a clan member not as a Zombie. Aztec is one of the most played maps so it is imperative that we know it by heart.
If I had suggested it as a Zombie for zombies only I would have posted in the Zombie Training Banter forum.
OK! Before anyway takes offence let me try to clarify what I said above but didn't explain well.
I do NOT believe that any one of us would deliberately try and split up the clan or be deliberately divisive. I DO believe that, whether we mean to or not, having two teams will slowly, and inevitably, create a divide among us without anybody intending it.
Having (hopefully) clarified my statements I am happy to wait until January before discussing this further (as requested by Oldie).
QuoteOK! Before anyway takes offence let me try to clarify what I said above but didn't explain well.
Too late! 8O Gotcha! - When the hole is neck-deep, stop digging :lol:
My 2 cents (Eurocents not US cents, although to be fair they're both crap) - as long as we keep mixing it on the MH then I think we will survive until Jan2003.
TL. 8)
So far no Ghost has been needed to jump into a Zombies match yet, but Zombies so far have had to join in the last 3 Ghost matches due to people not turning up.....there are 8 Zombies and 16 Ghosts and the ghosts cannot make a full team even a 5V5???
This may be down to the fact that the Zombies are made up of people who play on MH every night.
Also my 2 cents worth on awm'ing in practice...now i am not bothered by the use of awm but in a practice you need to learn to win with basic weapons - SMG's, M4's the like and maybe scouts if need be just to learn and if people can get good with a Scout then they can sure as hell be even better with an awm and in the match if you have enough money get that damn awm and own with it but for practice learn with the basics first, learn tactics.....if you want to learn to avoid awms then have an awm match and see if the ts can get past the cts with awms and vice versa.
Errmmmm i think thats it....mm yep ahhh yep thats it im done ranted and ou.....
QuoteSo far no Ghost has been needed to jump into a Zombies match yet, but Zombies so far have had to join in the last 3 Ghost matches due to people not turning up.....there are 8 Zombies and 16 Ghosts and the ghosts cannot make a full team even a 5V5???
...and your point is?
Thanks Smite, you have just confirmed my earlier point!
I have proved no point whatsover as Firstly, i dont want a Zombies /Ghosts split if that is what you are refering to and Secondly,my point is that out of 18 people Ghosts cannot provide 5.
Dont read things into what people say coz that really gets me slightly annoyed if somewat miffed my eyebrows may raise and then drop to show annoyance at being slightly annoyed that my point is being twisted and turned to mean exactly what it did not mean and twist it some more to make me into the bad guy!!!!
My point was that the Zombie/Ghost divide will happen whether people want it to or not. You have backed up my claim by differentiating between the two groups so we have already started to view the two groups separately instead of as -=[dMw]=-. If I was an outsider viewing your post I would see it as "Zombie good Ghost bad" as if they were two separate entities!
As to being pissed off by people reading things into your words; text/mail like this removes all emotion from what is said so it is left to the individual to interpret what they see as best they can. As you will notice earlier I was concerned that I had not stated clearly what I meant so I tried to explain better. It is difficult to write a piece of prose that will not be taken differently by different people. If you are not being divisive then fine but I found your comments coming across as divisive. I cannot help that, it is what I read. I do not feel that my interpretation of your comment should cause you to be pissed off. If I have misinterpreted what you said or if you have not made things clear enough then please come back to forum and either correct me politely or explain yourself better. Don't swear at me please as there really is no need - we are all in the SAME CLAN!
Calm down, calm down.
Let's see more smilies guys. :lol: 8) :o :D :)
Shall I? :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Emotions i have them, it got me annoyed -its like being at home-
And yes we are two seperate teams as i see it for the experiment.
Also as well as i would be also Slightly miffed, annoyed that Zombies did not turn up. Especially when people had put down on the availability forum that they were going to be there (last match had 12 people down)
Also the only person that i have seen with the problem and continuing to make an issue out of it is ...You!
We could make two new squads instead
Living dead - members that actually play
Corpses - members that dont play
:wink: :lol: 8) :o :) :D :P :thumbsup: :sunny: :jester:
That's right mate, stir it up a bit more, it was getting dull round here. (That's irony)
My current point is:-
Experiment
Experiment
Experiment
Experiment
Experiment
>:-( :sunny: :juggle: :sombrero: :whip: :toilet: :antlers: :o|:
The way I see it BlueBall says we will “inevitably cause a divide†and I am sure he would not want that to happen the same as the rest of us. Nevertheless it may happen as part of the trial who knows
Smite has a good point also with Ghost availability. It has been low for ghosts. Yet the overall turnout for a match has been good and the ability to field a team has cause no concern
The problems that may arise should be noted and discussed over the trial period.
(maybe a forum?)
and ill add
The way I see my role as a ghost
I am here to improve the skills of the players this clan has chosen (zombie). By doing this I am improving my game play and skills. I am not a sandbag for people to shoot (but feel like one a lot) I am a player who likes to get the chance to play against our best players. When I figure out how to own them ill move on :lol:
These are the players we put forward and we should be making it as difficult for zombies as possible in game by devising moves and plays. This is where the issue of sharing tactics pops up. As there is a possibility of joining a clan mach with a mix of G+Z then should we be privy to the same information? I hope so...thats part of the fun
recently i have arranged 2 open matchs which are friendlys so that anyone can play in them meenig that we stay together as a team
/me elbows his way to the microphone...
Let me begin, by smiling :D
Good. now hopefully that's set the tone, so you know where i'm coming from. From a happy place.
Now, as much as i hate to go against Oldie's wishes i feel i must have my say, and my say is this;
You Zombies! You're all b******! Coming here, taking our availability slots with the same old "..but there's only three of you that's turned up. It's a 6v6 match!?" excuse. Yeah, well...er..yeah.......and another thing! How come you're Zombies and we're all Ghosts anyway? i didn't vote for ya! Well, ok, yes, i did, but still....eh? Eh?
And what really annoys me is you think you're better than us at CS, when the truth is really you are. Yeah. Er..hang on that can't be right......yeah you think you're better than us when the truth is really we think so too.......no that's not it either.....ummm.....well...anyway, innit? eh?
And you all live in great big houses! With Koi carp called Cyril as pets!
Hehe. That told 'em.
:wink:
And, now let me finish, not smiling but nor frowning. :| Coming from a serious place.
As long as well remember that we're all -=[dMw]=- first and foremost then there shouldn't be a problem, and apart from pointing out that we're winning....cough splutter...yes winning more lately, let's wait at least until the FatBob has sung :o :( before we get all pointy pointy on our arses.
Quote/me elbows his way to the microphone...
Let me begin, by smiling :D
Good. now hopefully that's set the tone, so you know where i'm coming from. From a happy place.
Now, as much as i hate to go against Oldie's wishes i feel i must have my say, and my say is this;
You Zombies! You're all b******! Coming here, taking our availability slots with the same old "..but there's only three of you that's turned up. It's a 6v6 match!?" excuse. Yeah, well...er..yeah.......and another thing! How come you're Zombies and we're all Ghosts anyway? i didn't vote for ya! Well, ok, yes, i did, but still....eh? Eh?
And what really annoys me is you think you're better than us at CS, when the truth is really you are. Yeah. Er..hang on that can't be right......yeah you think you're better than us when the truth is really we think so too.......no that's not it either.....ummm.....well...anyway, innit? eh?
And you all live in great big houses! With Koi carp called Cyril as pets!
Hehe. That told 'em.
:wink:
And, now let me finish, not smiling but nor frowning. :| Coming from a serious place.
As long as well remember that we're all -=[dMw]=- first and foremost then there shouldn't be a problem, and apart from pointing out that we're winning....cough splutter...yes winning more lately, let's wait at least until the FatBob has sung :o :( before we get all pointy pointy on our arses.
:lol:
Fully agree with eggsy on this one ........erm, I think so anyway
WOT WAS HE SAYING ????????
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Quoteone of the plus sides i like about the system is that you know when you put your name down for a match, you know there is going to be a good chance of playing.
for you zombie maybe.... try being one of the masses....
like I said before, Its very rare I get to play CS so when I do I want to enjoy it. I enjoy the game more than winning.... it just so happens most of the long standing players are zombies, I'm not, hence I'm condemned not to play along side them in league matches.... hence my total non participation in league matches.... nuff said.
I still enjoy my "drop in" sessions tho... at least we aint taking sides there :-)
QuoteQuoteone of the plus sides i like about the system is that you know when you put your name down for a match, you know there is going to be a good chance of playing.
for you zombie maybe.... try being one of the masses....[/b]
In my experience, if a player makes themselves available AND turns up in IRC 15 mins before match start then there's a bloody fantastic chance of getting a game.
QuoteQuoteone of the plus sides i like about the system is that you know when you put your name down for a match, you know there is going to be a good chance of playing.
for you zombie maybe.... try being one of the masses....
like I said before, Its very rare I get to play CS so when I do I want to enjoy it. I enjoy the game more than winning.... it just so happens most of the long standing players are zombies, I'm not, hence I'm condemned not to play along side them in league matches.... hence my total non participation in league matches.... nuff said.
I still enjoy my "drop in" sessions tho... at least we aint taking sides there :) [/b]
Well, the problem has been that the Ghosts don't have enough people to their matches even though they are "masses" ... If you sign up you will most certainly be picked for match and will probably play along side Zombies that have to jump in and fill the empty spots. The last few weeks the ghost matches have been played by Zombies and Ghosts mixed together.
If there is a Zombie match on the availability page there is no reason why you shouldn't sign up. We have vacancies also. If you don't sign up you will never be picked. This goes for all ghosts. Sign up if you are available. WE are still dMw and I sign up for both Zombie and Ghost matches because if I can help the clan out I will.
another thing :)
I think for training we should have mixed teams (3 zombies + 3 ghosts). as we all know the same tactics anyway and it should make for a better practice and avoid 23-1 scores, which I don't think helps anyone :)
and what happened to training on sunday :(
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and what happened to training on sunday :(
No one showed up ...
I did :(
i didnt no about it till after i got back from work on sunday. i dont finish till 4:30 then i have 2 get home and then i usually have the sunday roast
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and what happened to training on sunday :(
No one showed up ...[/b]
.....because the training was on Saturday.......the MATCH was on Sunday :D
TL. 8)
we had training and a match last Sunday.
Well I was on MH most of the evening and I was reading the forums beforehand, when did we arrange the praccie for Sunday then?
TL. 8)
For some reason i was under the impression that the training was on Sunday too, which is why i pm'd TL that night wondering how come an ED match was on at the same time....that's when he told me it was the day before. :oops: i'm afraid i can't remember if there was notice about it on the availability page, and if there was whether i put myself down as available (my humbliest apologies if i had, but i can rarely make Satdee's so i might not have) or if i had just read the mention about it incorrectly.
Maybe we need to arrange a regular training sesh each week, same day same time (btw, i find 6pm extremely difficult to make - it's just too early for me and i don't think i can get away with the "oh no! It seems that someone's been shot! i must go and make sure the bridge is secure...err... i mean go and help if i can.." excuse again) and/or have a dedicated no nonsense thread for praccy times in this forum section?
One other thing completely sort of off the topic, whenever i view the forums on my machine at home and sometimes my office machine i find threads i know for sure i've not read already, but the unread icon doesn't show, only the already read one. Does anyone else get this?
I also thought that praccie night was "Sundays 6pm" when was Saturday mentioned? And i would definitly not make a Saturday Training session ..it is the only night in the week i dont turn my PC on.
QuoteOne other thing completely sort of off the topic, whenever i view the forums on my machine at home and sometimes my office machine i find threads i know for sure i've not read already, but the unread icon doesn't show, only the already read one. Does anyone else get this?
Yes, I have no idea why and it can be very annoying :(
TL. 8)
QuoteI also thought that praccie night was "Sundays 6pm" when was Saturday mentioned?
This may be where the confusion has arisen.
We have previously had a praccie on a Sunday at 6pm. However I am not sure if there has ever been an announcement to make the Sunday at 6pm slot a regular thing.
There was discussion in the forums on Saturday during the day where several people suggested and agreed to a praccie. I was one of those people and along with the others, assumed that by Saturday evening that some others might have read the discussion and also turned up - I and they were wrong :oops:
Lessons to be learned:
If we hold a formal praccie session then it should probably be on the availability page so that we can manage the numbers properly.
If we discuss an informal praccie session in the forums then it should probably remain just that, informal.
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so should we try and make sunday at 8 a regluar time then.
Quoteso should we try and make sunday at 8 a regluar time then.
Sunday at 8pm is already a regular match slot.
This is why I think it may be better to have occassional praccies that we book to meet the challenge of a specific set of future matches. Put the info up on availability etc and go from there.
TL. 8)
QuoteThis is why I think it may be better to have occassional praccies that we book to meet the challenge of a specific set of future matches. Put the info up on availability etc and go from there.
TL. 8)
that sounds the best way to go imo then we can be sure of numbers etc
agreed