Dead Men Walking

So, is it really TCS for terrorists to get onto the roof of cs_bikini before the hossies are grabbed by the CTs? At OB's suggestion after another wee whine in-game I am putting it up for vote.

I say no, and my arguments are simple:
(i) Terrorists on the roof are not near either set of hossies, nor do they have a clear line of sight to them*
(ii) Terrorists on the roof can cover the vast majority of the map, giving the CTs few safe areas to organise a plan of attack - once they're out of spawn they're easy pickings
(iii) The roof can be adequately covered from the ground floor of the building, and there are no entry points that terrorists can't cover from places other than the roof

* except for that one corner of roof, if you count being able to see one hossie and some feet as a clear line of sight

What say you?

A concerted team effort on the part of the CT's can easely overcome any terrorists on the roof.
The role of the Terrorists is to stop the Counters from rescueing the hostages, whether that is to stop entry into the house of the CT's from the tennis courts, the bedrooms or the roof (all positions where the hossies cannot be seen) or to sit there chatting up a super model all seem viable.

edited cuz i'm pissed

Regarding your (i) I think a clear line of sight is very difficult to achieve on most any cs map. If you are downstairs with the hostages your are not gurding (or viewing) the upstairs hostages and vice versa. Applying this free line of sight suggestion on a map like italy would mean that all Ts should be on the stairs.
Still if you are the last Ts and on the roof on bikini it is obviously the wrong place to be in. I think that if you have one T on the roof we have no problem but if there are e.g. 4-8 on the roofs then the objective is obviously comprimised.

(ii) The CTs can easily coordinate an attack to get rid of any T on the roofs. If the CTs break up between gate, ground level tunnel, and beach they can clear the rooftops quite easily using flashes and then overtake any T. This is rarely done though. Also the groundlevel tunnel is the quickest way to access the roof for CTs.

(iii) Not entirely true. The middle ground level tunnel can only be covered from the roof or the side passage by the house (which I consider more off limits than the roof). This is an easy route for the CTs when rescueing hostages. It could be argued though that the Ts don't need to cover that entrance until the hostages are touched.

I would like to say that the CTs generally are bad at using the winecellar entrance either through the barrel or the exploding wall. I have not yet experienced a CT rush with the entire team through this area. If this is used more often and wisely the Ts will not use the roofs as much imho.
Also, the beach is way underused by the CT. You can go out in the water and shoot the Ts on the roof in the back. You can also climb the rope and gain access to the rock formation and move along this all the way to the pool hut.

I didn't vote. I must say you're both right, not to many T's on the roof and all and keep good comms on so you can tell your fellow CT's where the opponent is.
I might type some more but I'm now at work.

QuoteYou can go out in the water and shoot the Ts on the roof in the back.

Theres sharks in them there waters

Seriously tho, I can't see a problem with T's on the roof. As Sadako says, they are easily taken care of, especially from the mid-tunnel. Its quite difficult for a T to get on the roof, well it takes a while, and the CTs would probably be there thru the mid-tunnell long before a T can make it