....but the cleverest thing the devil ever did was to convince us he doesn't exist :ph34r:
Observe if you will the current climate in France where the wearing of Religious clothing has been banned in schools. Le Penn and his cronies came close to being in power in a country that is a "friend" of the Arab world and Muslim fundamentalism is on the rise across the whole Globe.
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I don't think that had anything to do with Le Penn. IUn fact i don't believe there was any degree of racism involved at all. France is a secular state and has been since the Revolution. They banned all forms of religious clothing or symbolism because they believe fundamentally that a state run school should be free from forms of religious symbolism. They don't have morning prayers or formally celebrate religious festivals in any form. This is just an extension of that secular belief.
But is there an argument for overstating so that you see the overstatement and fall back to the middle ground.
By spouting an exagerrated truth doesn't it make you want to find the real middle ground.
Nope, that's inaccurate and sensationalist journalism. The target audience for that program is clever enough to understand the premise IMHO
QuoteOriginally posted by smilodon@Nov 9 2004, 11:24 PM
This Al Kwie Eddah da da da myth, if that is what it is, is as much a media invention as it is a Sahdowy Government one.
To what extent is this a myth? That they exist? That they operate cells in a number of countries and are active in terror? Not sure I understand how far you're going. Personally I'd never heard of them before 9/11 (and I'd go so far as to say 99% of the populus hadn't either), so to call it a media made myth puzzles me.
Haven't seen the program, but this line puzzled me when you said "myth".
The program indicates that the term Al Kieeeada was invented to create an organisation to tie someone to for a prosecution back in the day. It essentially questions whether this great 'Spectre' or 'SMERSH' really exists in the form it is portrayed rather than a rag tag bunch of individuals.
In all the arrests related to terrorism there hasn't been a single thread of evidence indicating the existence of this huge complicated precision run terror machine.
EDIT: And you can download the program from Suprnova if you want to see it (you do!)
QuoteOriginally posted by smilodon@Nov 9 2004, 11:24 PM
As I said 'Nightmares' is just far too clever for it's own good. The reality is almost certainly a much more tame version of what that program suggests. We always have too look for the complicated, weird solution. And we always reject something that seems more mundane and common place.[post=68978]Quoted post[/post]
Wasn't that what Neville Chamberlain said just before the Nazis overran Poland?
Ships?, Ships?, I see no Ships?!!
Then again if you didn't live in a leafy suburbian middle England, but instead in one of the myriad ghettos of muslim communities springing up across this Fair Isle and the rest of Europe, your view might be somewhat different?
Suggest you read the following link and then tell me the decision by the French
was purely because of the secular nature of their education
http://www.meforum.org/article/337 (http://www.meforum.org/article/337)
Just how deep is the sand where you live anyway?? <_<
Whatever.
I still refuse to believe I'm the victim of some great Anglo US conspiracy perpetrated by Bush, Blair and the CIA. All this cloak and dagger bollox has been spouted time and time again. Who shot JFK? what happened at Roswell? etc etc. Cospiracy theories are the preserve of the deluded and paranoid.
It's way off topic but take Crop Circles. Many sad people believe they are the work of spirts or aliens. Snake-oil salesmen and the cronically deluded write books, make TV programs and spout endless rubbish about how they are formed. Whole industries feed off the general public's insatiable appetite for extreme solutions to simple realities.
I find it a great tragedy that people can't be satisfied with the truth that these circles are the result of extraordinary imaginations and artistic skill of ordinary people like you and me. Why can't we revel in the real achievements of people, rather than have to invent some fanciful and daft idea.
Likewise why not accept that 'Nightmares' takes a plausable idea that the US is becoming isolationalist and more conservative post Sept 11th and then stretches it past breaking point?
QuoteOriginally posted by Benny@Nov 10 2004, 07:20 PM
The program indicates that the term Al Kieeeada was invented to create an organisation to tie someone to for a prosecution back in the day. It essentially questions whether this great 'Spectre' or 'SMERSH' really exists in the form it is portrayed rather than a rag tag bunch of individuals.
In all the arrests related to terrorism there hasn't been a single thread of evidence indicating the existence of this huge complicated precision run terror machine.
EDIT: And you can download the program from Suprnova if you want to see it (you do!)
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Coolio - can't question whether there is evidence or not, so I'll go with you on that one.
I still question though whether a "rag tag bunch of individuals" could have had the organisation, resources, planning skills, finances, and, ultimately, the will to steal 4 planes and launch them into well known American institutions. This isn't some suicide bomber with some nitro strapped under his coat walking along to a shopping precinct in Israel. It takes a lot more to pull this off.
As deplorable as 9/11 is, you have to have some grudging admiration for the kind of organisation, will and belief that that action took. That's why I can so readily believe in the presence of an Al Queada.