Dead Men Walking

It certainly isn't a rule to stick to for any length of time. It's a recommendation for levels 1-15 but not much more. Skinning, mining and herbalsim allow quick resouce gathering which can help finance training and equipment. Once past level 10-15 the game opens up enormously and a production trade can be very useful. I know several high level players who don't do a gathering trade at all, they buy the raw material and craft all kinds of high level stuff.

My point ws mainly to say don't think that your products will make you any money in the early stages, as they won't. Taking all that leather and making armour patches  to sell actually cost you money at the beginning. Yes you get experience but a a cost.

Also on an unrelated note I saw my first mount last night Level 43 Palandin on a horse, although I think he got it as a quest prize rather than from a shop.....80g  :blink:

QuoteOriginally posted by smilodon@Feb 27 2005, 11:46 AM
It certainly isn't a rule to stick to for any length of time. It's a recommendation for levels 1-15 but not much more. Skinning, mining and herbalsim allow quick resouce gathering which can help finance training and equipment. Once past level 10-15 the game opens up enormously and a production trade can be very useful. I know several high level players who don't do a gathering trade at all, they buy the raw material and craft all kinds of high level stuff.

My point ws mainly to say don't think that your products will make you any money in the early stages, as they won't. Taking all that leather and making armour patches to sell actually cost you money at the beginning. Yes you get experience but a a cost.

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I understand what you are saying but from lvl 1-15 you get much leatherworking experience if you keep at it and you will be at a much higher level than starting at lvl 15 with leatherworking. Also you need to consider that your skinning ability is way out of phase with what you can use for your leatherworking. You will be able to get medium leather but you can't use it.  <_<

True as seen by my apauling fishing skills but excellent cooking. I can cook up stuff in  jiffy but fishing is tedious ibeyond belief.

Have you ever been fishing in real life! tedious is about right :)

im learning to cook!

also to help gain experiance make sure u visit a Inn and rest up. You get exp bonus if ur character is well rested.

Another tip which some may or may not know is be careful if you group way out of your league. I did last night  and it cost me XP points. The game knows the level of all players in a group and if one or more are much higher than the mobs the XP for the whole group is reduced.  So our Level 29 paladin in a cave full of level 18-22 mobs hurt the XP  for the whole group. On the other hand without him it would have been suicide and it was great fun anyway.
It's just worth remembering when you join a group. If you care about getting the best XP return (which I don't really) group about 2 levels either side of your own for best results.

Also one I learnt to my cost, ALWAYS speak to the flight masters in every town you run too. If you do you can fly their next time from other towns you have been to. Basically in order to open up a flight path you have to have walked to both towns and identified yourself to the flight masters in each to be able to use the birds next time. Don't do as I did and walk miles only to forget to speak to the guy and then have to walk  there again next time  :(

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Also one I learnt to my cost, ALWAYS speak to the flight masters in every town you run too. If you do you can fly their next time from other towns you have been to. Basically in order to open up a flight path you have to have walked to both towns and identified yourself to the flight masters in each to be able to use the birds next time. Don't do as I did and walk miles only to forget to speak to the guy and then have to walk there again next time :(

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Aye aint it grand ;)

But you only do it once :D

Found this guide on wowguru.com a while back.


Two Day Grind
Horde Grinding Spots:
0-15 - Questing fastest possible exp.
15-20 - The Barrens - Harpies *
15-20 - The Barrens - Bristleback(s) *
20-25 - The Barrens - Bael Dun Exavs *
20-25 - Hillsbrad - Hillsbrad Farmers (etc)
22-26 - Thousand Needles - Galak Scouts (etc) *
26-30 - Hillsbrad - Mud Gnolls *
25-30 - Thousand Needles - Grimtotems
30-38 - Shimmering Flats - All monsters. *
38-40 - Dustwallow Swamp - Very North East Islands, Murlock Warriors/Oracles.

Horde And Alliance Grinding Spots:
40-46 - Feralas - Woodpaws (stay away from the ones that disease for
slow casting speeds) **
46-48 - Feralas - Frayfeather Skystormers *
48-50 - Feralas - Harpies
48-51 - Southwest of Gadgetzan - Thistleshrubs *
50-54 - Western Plaguelands - First 'field' to the left, assorted monsters.
54-60 - Western Plaguelands - Scarlet Lumberjacks
52-60 - Eastern Dire Maul - Lashers ****

* = Recommended

EXP Rates:
Levels 30-40 = 18-20k exp/hour
Levels 40-51 = 20-25k exp/hour
Levels 52-60 = 40-50k exp/hour (Dire Maul)

Power Leveling
This is the method the power levelers have used since closed beta and I finally got one of them to give it up. It is by no means the way to go if you want to maximize your experience in the game as this method will bypass almost all the content in the game and essentially ignore many of the fun, unique aspects of WoW. This is not recommended for new players and is meant for players who already have experienced the content and just want to level up an alt to play with their level 60 friends (ie. your level 60 instance group needs a priest and there are no priests to be had). As a benchmark to how successful you are with this, download cosmos (Cosmos) and use the clock feature to measure your xp/hour. At level 50 you should be getting about 40,000+/hour. 1-20: Newbie lands, stick to the friendly zones (not contested). Just grind. The quests are a waste of time up to level 20 if you are focusing on maxing out xp per hour. 20-26: Wetlands quests and raptors/slime/orcs for grinding. Redridge mountain Lakeshire quests.

26-30: Duskwood quests and undead for grinding. Hillsbrad critter roamers for grinding.

30-35: Did these all in a day on Daggerspines in Hillsbrad right next to Southshore along the coast. Huge spawn, very fast respawn rate, easy mobs to kill. Purgation isle (island in the very far Southwest water area of Hillsbrad) also a nice secluded place you can grind on undead.

36-40: Hillsbrad southshore quests. Desolace quests and kodo grinding for 36-38, then Undead Ravagers in the southeast for 38-40. Cresting exiles at the circle of outer binding in Arathi also for 37-41; extremely easy mobs with a fast respawn. Alterac ogres from 35-40 for grinding. Drywhisker kobolds in Arathi east of Hammerfall for 36-39 for grinding.

41-45: Hinterlands trolls, owl beasts, and wolves for grinding and quests. Badlands ogres, gnolls, and quests.

45-48: Tanaris quests and pirates on the eastern paninsula for grinding. Stranglethorn vale quests (only if you need rewards imo). Badlands greater elementals for grinding.

48-52: Felwood deadwood gnolls for grinding and quests from the sanctuary in the south. Blasted lands dreadmauls for grinding. Un'goro crater (best started at 50) for primarily quests and grinding off the plants and tar elementals. Azshara undead highbornes and thunderhead hyppogriffs for grinding.

52-55: Azshara blood elves for grinding. Burning steppes dreadmaul rock ogre caves firegut ogres (very low AC) for grinding. Felwood irontree woods and cave for grinding (great spot). Western plaguelands questing for argent dawn and grinding on undead throughout the various camps.

55-58: Eastern plaguelands quests from the sanctuary, grinding on undead at the ruined towns. Winterspring grinding at winterfall village or Lake Kel'Theril undead highbornes (my personal favorite camp). Blackrock Stronghold in Burning Steppes for grinding.

58-60: "The" yeti cave in Winterspring, due Southeast of Everlook (very nice place). Grosh Gok compound ogres in Deadwind pass (great spot, no one knows about it). Eastern plaguelands Fungal Vale undead grinding and argent dawn token farming. Moonowls in northeast winterspring for grinding.

http://www.wow-pro.com/Forums/viewtopic/p=1488.html#1488 (http://www.wow-pro.com/Forums/viewtopic/p=1488.html#1488)

can be used from 30 onwards

and than to think i only kill mobs to level :roflmao:  :whistle:

btw go grind herbs on a alt. even low level thinks are going for 4g in 20 stacks

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http://www.wow-pro.com/Forums/viewtopic/p=1488.html#1488 (http://www.wow-pro.com/Forums/viewtopic/p=1488.html#1488)

can be used from 30 onwards

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ive been using this guide from around level 30

I'm now at lvl 43 which is quite good considering I'm a casual gamer.

Its abit of a lonely guide though, but im at the part where its telling me to do Uldaman Instance. WHOOT :)

http://www.wow-pro.com/Forums/viewtopic/t=296.html (http://www.wow-pro.com/Forums/viewtopic/t=296.html)

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ive been using this guide from around level 30

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I have no problem with other people using this guide if that's really what they want to do, but don't you find that just following a guide to level up as quickly as possible is boring and far less fun than making your own way in the game and trying to do things how *you* want to do them?

Mind you, maybe that opinion is why i'm level 41 and only have about 3g (and can't afford to train skills or professions at the mo).

QuoteOriginally posted by Carr0t@Apr 10 2006, 04:31 PM
I have no problem with other people using this guid if that's really what they want to do, but don't you find that just following a guild to level up as quickly as possible is boring and far less fun than making your own way in the game and trying to do things how *you* want to do them?

Mind you, maybe that opinion is why i'm level 41 and only have about 3g (and can't afford to train skills or professions at the mo).

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in short no :)

I find it frustrating running around not knowing where to go next, maybe if I had more time it wouldnt seem so bad.

Im hoping to stop whe i hit 50 and hopefully beable to group with the guild abit more.

I have enjoyed using the guide, 130g, half decent kit and fun XP rate. When it stops being fun ill change how I play :)

Instances are *the* best. :D

Parties initially and then into 10 man instances, then 15 and then raid groups of 40 for the end-game content, superb fun. :thumbsup:

TL.

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130g

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 :blink: What am I doing wrong? I just don't find it fun spending hours on end running around farming minerals to be able to make and then sell stuff (I spent about 2 hours running round Desolace last night farming iron so I could get enough to do the weapon smithing quest. Only got about 60, which [if you include how much I need to level up my skill to make the big black mace] is about 1/3 to 1/4 of what I need [I'm on 221 now, after using that 60 to make stuff]. Can't seem to find enough Mithril *anywhere* to level up my skill using that, even when i've checked ore deposit locations online and run round them all. They just always seem to be farmed out), but I sell everything I get as drops from monsters and such, so how the hell do other people manage to get so much cash?

On another note, did it just not happen to me before patch 1.10, or have they changed the way mine points spawn. A certain mine point that i had visited in the past as silver (and thus assumed it normally spawned as tin) I revisited last night to discover it was gold. And at least 1 mithril spawn had become gold as well, when I thought it was 90% Mithril, 10% Truesiver chance on a Mithril spawn, with no chance of anything else spawning (same for Iron/Gold and Tin/Silver).

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:blink: What am I doing wrong? I just don't find it fun spending hours on end running around farming minerals to be able to make and then sell stuff

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tbh, i made about 30 gold when I was questing/grinding on Rock Elementals in Badlands, its in a little cove where theres 8 mine spores that popped up (iron/Mith/gold/rare truesilver). They drop solid stone, elemental earth(sells for 1g each, i have probably sold about 30 of these in AH, easy 30g) and some other usefull drops that sell well in AH. I generally drop stuff that doesnt sell for much (unless im enar a merchant), to make room for better value drops.

My mining is at 220, i generally mine when I see it, I've never done any grinding in that respect. I store the ore in the bank untill i have loads, then just "create all" and walk away. After selling bars from this ill probably make 40g (stack iron bars can sell for 3/4g), after a couple of these sessions you can see how i've got 130g.


I have never grinded to make money, its just a biproduct of my questing and a small amount of grinding. The guide is more about which quests to get/stack to give u a good XP rate.

Farm a low level instance.

Deadmines will drop greens and blues that can be sold on the AH if you cant solo find a buddy that doesnt mind helping for an hour.

At 60 i can grind most of Scarlet Monastery in just under an hour and make on average about 30g after AH sales.

Also when reaching 40 money seems to come a lot quicker from quests and grinding to do quests.

And you can make a load of cash on AH buying and selling things.  Read the IF shouts and look for things that you know sell well.  Negotiate a price and buy, then put it back on AH for a lot more.  This last week in particular I bought a recipe for 125G and sold it that afternoon for 375G, a nature resistance ring (+16) for 10G and sold it on AH for 39G, another recipe bought for 10G sold for 45G, a T0.5 item bought for 20G sold for 175G and countless other items.  Use a mod like Auctioneer to help you keep track of value, but just get used to what sells.  I usually make loads every week just through buying and selling a few items - that covers my repair bills every week and also makes me money in addition to any grinding I do for the week.  As a result I have a very healthy bank balance which allows me to buy and sell more expensive items, but I started buying and selling things at the lower end of the market, you just work your way up as your cash grows.  

I started the cash trail by buying and selling on Runecloth and Runecloth Bags.  I bought RC in bulk via an IF shout and then sold it on in smaller stacks of 20.  I priced towards the low end of the market range to  ensure it sold (turnover is king as the RC makes you no money when unsold).  If someone dumped a small amount of RC into the market at slightly below my price I would leave it on AH as it would sell quick and then people would be buying my RC again at my higher price.  If someone dumped a load of RC on at below market value I bought enough of it to ensure that mine started selling quickly and then put the RC I bought out from AH cheaply back onto the market at my higher (but still cheap) price.  If I saw an amount large enough to absorb most of that period's normal trade volume I would buy it and put it back on AH at my price - and it usually sold.  At my peak of RC trading I was buying and selling about 800-1,000 RC per day.  Some of this RC went to bags, some back on the market.  At that volume I pretty much controlled and set the market price for RC and RC bags.  When someone dumped stuff onto the market for silly cheap prices I bought it and immediately resold it at my price for a profit.  There are not too many active traders out there, so it is fairly easy to find an area of trade you know really well (maybe as it is related to one of your WoW professions) and then make money from it, but if you are not trading then you will definitely not make any money!

TL.