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Title: Strange puta
Post by: killcrazy on May 11, 2005, 09:05:50 AM
hey,
i got a new motherboard to run my new cpu and did a fresh install of xp on it to make it happy.

new board - asus p4u800-x
new cpu- intel celeron d 320

after installing xp it took a wile to boot up each time. i updated the bios and its fixed that problem but another has poped up.
sometimes when i boot up my pc it displays the message:

Quotewindows cannot start
missing file """""

plesase use the xp cd and run a repair install.

im at college at the moment and ill write the actual message down later and post it later.

the funny thing is if i then turn off the pc and start up again its fine  :whistle:
and its also if i restart and not shut down its fine as well

any ideas?

regards
KC
Title: Strange puta
Post by: Benny on May 11, 2005, 09:43:14 AM
My server does that....I think it's a hard drive on it's way out. But I'm prolly wrong.
Title: Strange puta
Post by: A Twig on May 11, 2005, 11:15:52 AM
My old PC did that and the HD went about a month after it started
Title: Strange puta
Post by: TeaLeaf on May 11, 2005, 12:34:18 PM
Same problem, HDD failed shortly thereafter.  It almost seemed that the HDD seemed to not like a cold start - when the power had been on for a while it woudl then restart comfortably and no error, but when cold it would not boot.  COnfirmed as a HDD failure about 4-6 weeks later.  

Sounds from the above answers that we have a suspect......bring him in for questioning Danno ;)

TL.
Title: Strange puta
Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2005, 12:42:01 PM
Might I suggest backing everything up now!

Keep your backup updated regularly until you can get a new drive or can confirm that it is not the drive.
Title: Strange puta
Post by: killcrazy on May 11, 2005, 02:30:33 PM
damn,

the message is "windows cannot start because the following file is missing or corrupt:
ntfs.sys"

ive done a scan disc and no bad sectors were reported....

just after i get my new motherboard and cpu working i run into another problem  :eyebrow: doenst help that i have loads of college work to do.

so it looks like (gonig on your experinces) that its my HDD thats the problem.
anyone know a good online shop thats cheap and has a guick delivery?
Title: Strange puta
Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2005, 02:33:33 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by killcrazy@May 11 2005, 01:30 PM
the message is "windows cannot start because the following file is missing or corrupt:
ntfs.sys"

ive done a scan disc and no bad sectors were reported....
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Have you tried booting from your XP CD and running a repair? That should fix it temporarily.
Title: Strange puta
Post by: killcrazy on May 11, 2005, 02:43:49 PM
i have done that once and it still happens.

but if i get the message then i turn the pc off and start it again and its fine
Title: Strange puta
Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2005, 02:49:45 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by killcrazy@May 11 2005, 01:43 PM
i have done that once and it still happens.

but if i get the message then i turn the pc off and start it again and its fine
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Remove everything - memory, CPU, cables etc and put it all back in. It could be that something isn't seated properly.
Title: Strange puta
Post by: suicidal_monkey on May 11, 2005, 03:45:13 PM
On a side note have you checked the power cables? perhaps the HDD line is shared between too many other devices or something weird like that? Though usually it means no booting at all...
Title: Strange puta
Post by: killcrazy on May 11, 2005, 04:35:40 PM
ive read that it could be a curopt format of my HDD,

would it work if i copyed all my files onto my other drive (slave drive)
then shut donwn and swap the drivers round making sure it boots form the better HDD then format the old 1, copy the files back over then swap the drives back over?

will it work?? :blink:

this message only started when i changed my motherboard and ive read here (http://www.techspot.com/vb/archive/index/t-5352.html) that it could also be my IDE driver. im going to try restalling that first and ill keep you posted
Title: Strange puta
Post by: TeaLeaf on May 12, 2005, 12:36:02 PM
Before you do anything - TAKE A COPY OF YORU FILES NOW!!!!!!

We're all here on tenterhooks waiting for your next post that says 'the PC won't boot, the HDD has failed and I haven;t yet got around to taking a backup of all of my files as I was reinstalling things and swapping cables to see if it fixed the problem'.

Copy them NOW.  You know it makes sense.

TL.
Title: Strange puta
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2005, 01:39:45 PM
:withstupid:
Title: Strange puta
Post by: killcrazy on May 13, 2005, 09:46:24 AM
update:

ive orderd a new HDD which should arrive on monday. i hope it will last till then  :blink:

after trying a number of different tings i figuired it was my hard drive. if it was my MB then it would hapen each time, same if the file was corrupt. good thing is i wont be using it much this weekend because i got work on sat then a gig (rooadrunner roadrage) in the evening then driving in the london 2 brighton mini run on sunday  :P

well thanks for the support poeple.

regards
KC
Title: Strange puta
Post by: killcrazy on May 16, 2005, 03:31:16 PM
well i got my new HDD today (wester digital  :blush: )
i used norton ghost to copy the old disc image and it all went well,
im actually running windows on the new hard drtive now  :D








but ........

it still comes up with the same error  :o
could it be the actuall file, my motherboard or my slave HDD ?
any ideas?

regards KC
Title: Strange puta
Post by: suicidal_monkey on May 16, 2005, 03:32:55 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by killcrazy@May 16 2005, 02:31 PM
well i got my new HDD today (wester digital :blush: )
i used norton ghost to copy the old disc image and it all went well,
im actually running windows on the new hard drtive now :D
but ........

it still comes up with the same error :o
could it be the actuall file, my motherboard or my slave HDD ?
any ideas?

regards KC
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you could have copied a corrupt file accross. Try putting windows on the new HDD fresh!
Title: Strange puta
Post by: killcrazy on May 24, 2005, 07:55:52 AM
right,
ive got a new hdd, dissconnected my second one, formatted and installed windows again and i STILL get the same problem, nothings changed :eyebrow:

could it be by xp instulation disc, as its got a few scratches or a componed on my motherboard with an old driver?


regards
KC
Title: Strange puta
Post by: Armitage on May 24, 2005, 08:24:06 AM
Have a look at this.

http://miataru.computing.net/windowsxp/www...orum/27132.html (http://miataru.computing.net/windowsxp/wwwboard/forum/27132.html)

Seem it could be a bios or try a reinstall with FAT32
Title: Strange puta
Post by: Blunt on May 24, 2005, 09:26:23 AM
it may be a daft question....but it is a kosher copy of xp isn't it?




sounds similar to what happened to a friend of mine with a dodgy copy of xp


 :rolleyes:  :whistle:
Title: Strange puta
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2005, 09:36:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by killcrazy@May 24 2005, 06:55 AM
could it be by xp instulation disc, as its got a few scratches
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Could be.

What file is missing. Any way you could manually copy that file to the HDD? (maybe put HDD in another PC as a slave drive?)
Title: Strange puta
Post by: killcrazy on May 24, 2005, 11:01:56 AM
well im going to look in my bios for any strange settings,
its a proper xp disk  :P

the files is ntfs.sys

thie strange thing is that its only started playing up on my new motherboard,
which might suggest bios/driver problems. ive updated my bios to the latest tho  :blink:
Title: Strange puta
Post by: suicidal_monkey on May 24, 2005, 11:18:06 AM
might be a silly question, but did you try this yet?

http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org/how_do_i_...ssing_or_co.htm (http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org/how_do_i_rectify_a_missing_or_co.htm)
full-blown instructions on the repair process for fixing ntfs.sys...

Some people seem to think it was dodgy ram. Try running the pc with only one of the ram chips you have (I know you have at least two now! :)) http://www.gidforums.com/t-748.html?page=2&pp=15 (http://www.gidforums.com/t-748.html?page=2&pp=15)


more info...
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=330181 (http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=330181)



can you tell I am avoiding work which has a really short deadline? <_<
Title: Strange puta
Post by: killcrazy on May 24, 2005, 11:28:56 AM
i thinnk i might b on 2 something, chees mr monkey.

that 512mb ram you gave me - i installed it into the 3rd ram slot on my old motherboard (and it was fine), when i changed motherboards i put it into the first slot (nearist the cpu) adn i get the error, ill try swapping the 3rd and 1st  ram's around. will it have the stupid activation problem if i changwe the ram round?
Title: Strange puta
Post by: suicidal_monkey on May 24, 2005, 02:19:52 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by killcrazy@May 24 2005, 11:28 AM
i thinnk i might b on 2 something, chees mr monkey.

that 512mb ram you gave me - i installed it into the 3rd ram slot on my old motherboard (and it was fine), when i changed motherboards i put it into the first slot (nearist the cpu) adn i get the error, ill try swapping the 3rd and 1st ram's around. will it have the stupid activation problem if i changwe the ram round?
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try with only one stick of ram at a time...
Also check the ram timing settings aren't set too fast for the chips you have installed perhaps? Did this error just pop up when you got that ram from me or did it start happening before it was installed? My pc never had any trouble with it and it was using it right up until it got posted to you :unsure: still, try running your pc with only the old stick of ram and then with only the new stick of ram and check the timings (I can recommend SiSoft Sandra (http://www.sisoftware.co.uk/index.html?dir=dload&location=sware_dl_3264&langx=en&a=) for testing stuff)

edit: just altering the ram should not affect the activation (personally I've never had a problem with reactiavtion despite all the hardware switches I've made over the years. Only when shifting a hard drive from one PC to a completely different one!
Title: Strange puta
Post by: killcrazy on May 24, 2005, 04:24:58 PM
i swapped the slot 1 ram (512 stick) with the 3rd slot one (256 stick) and it seams to have fixed it  :D  .its been off for 3 hours and when i turned it on it was fine.
thanks for the help everyone - you all are a HUGE help

so i bought a new HD for no reason  :whistle:

 :cheers:
KC
Title: Strange puta
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2005, 05:39:40 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by killcrazy@May 24 2005, 03:24 PM
so i bought a new HD for no reason :whistle:
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Leave it in and backup to it. You know it makes sense :D
Title: Strange puta
Post by: suicidal_monkey on May 25, 2005, 04:33:30 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by killcrazy@May 24 2005, 04:24 PM
so i bought a new HD for no reason :whistle:
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the reason was obviously to reward me for finding a solution to the problem, surely?  8)