I remember a time not too long ago when the majority of game activity on the servers was on MH. Some pretty good games were had and the words "noob" and "wtf" amongst others were never heard. It was a pleasant ( though sometimes humbling depending on who was on and was going to wipe the floor ) experience and something to look forward to.
The huge attraction of the dMw servers for me when i first found my way here was this gameplay experience. It was fun. And on a Sunday MH filled up for a couple of hours and a good time was had by all. The experience was so much more pleasant than elsewhere i really didn't want to play anywhere else.
Fast-forward to the present......for some reason we're playing on a public with all the problems and lack of teamwork that that entails. The "gameplay experience" is massively diluted and a quick search around shows that on a Sunday at 8:30pm there are a number of dMw players playing elsewhere and many faces not showing.
I can't but help think that the two are linked.
I myself joined the public tonite....played a few games...got p'd off with the idiots ....and left to go play something else.
I'm starting a "Bring back MH" campaign as of now......if we're not careful the old habits of actually turning up for a good game will be replaced by new ones.
seems to swing to and fro ;)
3-4 weeks ago most nights had plenty of folk on MH but last2 not.
Personally I'm fartin about in the garden up to 21:30, last week or two has allowed that weather-wise.
I'll be missing for the next week due to Hols.
Bring back CS 1.6!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D
I was on razer tonight ....and I think the most dmw guys we had on at any one time was 7/8 ....not enough to go over to mh and have a decent game .....long gone are the nights when we were overflowing ........many faces/voices just dont turn up now ......and I too have noticed that there are a certain few that frequent other servers A LOT more than our own !!!
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Bring back CS 1.6!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Pacman is bloody good too, let's bring that back as well! :rolleyes:
Not sure 1.6 is the answer. I played it when the servers where down the other week. and it feels older than cs:cz. And I think there is the problem. CS doesn't cut the mustered today. WOW has taken half the regular players and the rest of us don't play like we used to. I know when I first stated playing CS I played for over 4 hours a day. Some people might say I don't get the time. but I would guess 80% of WOW players play for something like that everyday. source has not helped us, it was the great hope to regenerate the game, but would I have read, it sucks.
I am waiting for BF2 it looks and sounds promising. it would be good if we could get the full wait of the dmw community behind it, and show peeps how the game should be played. not sure if we will be able to run a server. but I guess we will wait until June for that. you never know it might some of the WOW'ers back to FPshooters. most of you guys must be level 60 by now :)
I'm guilty of not playing as much, too many games not enough time. I did join last night, went afk (the proper way) for around 5 minutes to get the missus a cup of tea, woke up at 2am....I'm sure she is drugging me.
I'll make an effort to split more time and get back on CS as I do enjoy it when the regs are on. I thought I'd never get to this point, but I'm tempted to ask for admin on razer, there was a couple of dicks in last nights games that I did play, and I can't keep asking so and so to ask so and so to admin a message as they were ignoring the team instructions.
/bitter.
I agree with Benny about the public problem of idiots etc,but as a regular user of Razer there are times when it all seems worth while.Atleast twice in the last week we have had good comments and disbelief at the level of our comms use and gameplay. :D This I believe is the reason we have/need a public place to "show our wares".I dont think we can force our style of play on the public servers,but leading by example helps to turn heads.Good idea to have admin as any spoilers can be quickly despatched,so everyone stays on the server instead of leaving because of some idiot.
It's been explained to me in words of one syllable, why we need a public server. But I just can't grasp it. I check the servers EVERY night and see 4,5,6 dMw guys along with the "^D$£34th S"£*((r" s and "player"s. I can't get up the enthusiasm to mix it with the oiks. Poor old MH is sitting there all forlorn. :( Maybe there are a lot like me that would join MH in a flash but give Razer the elbow.
We have a catch 22.......it's good to encourage other players to play it nicely.....but on the public when busy there are enough non-dMw players on who havn't done anything to warrant booting but still change to game for the worse.
I make a point if i'm going to have a game at anything like a normal time ( 8'ish ) of checking what games are on......if the public has a few on and is made up of 3-4 dMw + multiple unknowns then i'm afraid i now go and play something else ( Wow probably ) experience has taught me there will be several idiots amongst the unknowns.....the public server for me is not a happy gaming experience....i just get annoyed very quickly ( maybe i'm getting old :blink: )
For the next couple of weeks if i fancy a game i'm going to idle on MH for a while and if a game can get started that is great.......and i'm deleting Razer from my server list.
Think a certain lack of community spirit is creeping in here. ;)
We where all once that unknown player,I thought the idea was to grow the community not have a closed shop? :) If people dont see the way we play and conduct ourselves on public servers then thats what it will become. Six hundred and odd registered members on these boards,but how many are active?I would say less than a quarter of that!
...and yes I will have cheese with it......and yes I will get me coat. :whistle:
Last night on the razor I found that we had 1 team full (4-5) of dMw and the other side full of publics. I don't really think thats promoting teamplay, I ended up joining the the side with no dMw, but im no leader and without a few more dMw on there, getting a tcs style of game going is hardwork.
I know the temptation is there to join the side with most dMw just so you know you'll get TCS and banter. I got bored pretty quick last night and left fairly early. (although I was tired from a late night previuos)
I think if we make a bit more effort in splitting the dmw up on razor we could get a good game going.
There in lies the dilemma. :(
Smaller numbers on MH (maybe too small to get a proper game going) versus Larger numbers on Razer (with the inherent work that is involved in getting poeple to play TCS).
I know I am one of the absent WoW people at the moment, but I will return as I am sure will others in due course. I am reasonably sure that WoW will only hold my interest until I have got to the 'uber' levels and the issue of BF2 or future updates to Steam may bring matters to a head.
TL.
I'm not on our servers lately alot but that's because I'm also busy with school.
For the rest, if I see someone playing on the public or on MH, I'll join. Sometimes there are people who like the way we play and I even saw a few that got back to the publicserver for some TCSstyle gameplay.
With the summertime coming up there are allways people who play a bit less. With other games being played aswell it gets a bit quieter on the servers.
Ahwell, c u out there!!!
Im busy too. Exam time + girlfriend = V little gaming time :(
CZ dosnt lube my tube either really, still playing 1.6 and a tiny bit of Source. I do however check the servers but reluctant to join Razor. However i would join a filling MH for CZ just to speak with the fellas have some fun :)
QuoteOriginally posted by Jamoe@May 16 2005, 10:40 AM
Last night on the razor I found that we had 1 team full (4-5) of dMw and the other side full of publics. I don't really think thats promoting teamplay, I ended up joining the the side with no dMw, but im no leader and without a few more dMw on there, getting a tcs style of game going is hardwork.
I know the temptation is there to join the side with most dMw just so you know you'll get TCS and banter. I got bored pretty quick last night and left fairly early. (although I was tired from a late night previuos)
I think if we make a bit more effort in splitting the dmw up on razor we could get a good game going.
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This was down to some bizarre coincidence of auto select and there was some other fella's who asked us to change ...we only did this for a few rounds and realised ourselves that it looked like stacking and changed over after a few rounds ...we received no complaints whatsoever from any player on either side so no harm was done ;)
and yes .......there was one specific ar$e that persisted in flashing his own team when we rushed in the mincer on dust ...we told him time after time to stop doing it .........and he did ...he used HE instead the next round ...... :angry:
publics eh !!! :rolleyes:
ah my bad then madness. :)
I think we just have a few members (myself included) that are a touch quiet on VC (dont talk as much) so when we have a server full of quiet members, especially in public we arnt pushing TCS.
Note to self, push TCS when on Razor!
If members started to play on our public server rather than dotted around playing on other publics, before you knew it i'm sure there'd be enough on to sneek of to the hook.
QuoteOriginally posted by RizZy@May 16 2005, 02:04 PM
If members started to play on our public server rather than dotted around playing on other publics, before you knew it i'm sure there'd be enough on to sneek of to the hook.
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we did just that last week at some point :D I think there were often enough dMw online in an evening, just that 4 were on the BODclan server and 4 or 5 on the public CZ one. Personally I'd like to see more CSS coming into the equation, but essentially I think that that's part of the reason things have slipped. Some people are still stuck on cs1.6, and some, like me, jumped straight from 1.6 to source (although I do have a sort of loan of CZ at the moment...)
Can't the WoW crew start playing in dual monitor mode so they can manage their mmorpg on one screen and play CS on the other 8)
QuoteOriginally posted by Jamoe@May 16 2005, 12:46 PM
ah my bad then madness. :)
I think we just have a few members (myself included) that are a touch quiet on VC (dont talk as much) so when we have a server full of quiet members, especially in public we arnt pushing TCS.
Note to self, push TCS when on Razor!
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you really need some admins (and preferrably a good deal of admin-say things popping up!) on the public server to make this work though. I find that the "public" aren't always interested in listening to orders :rolleyes: and the fact that sometimes the dMw member(s) who are trying to control things start getting rather, um, curt? at having had to explain the idea every other round to each new player so you end up with small chunks of each side playing TCS and the rest playing regular old deathmatch. Then the dMw members end up getting drawn into the more public style play because they're outnumbered and want some sort of game and are forced into mememe-mode :unsure:
Occasionally the rushing team manages some cohesion, but the defenders are usually pretty unco-ordinated, all run off on their own missions (as ususal on publics!) and you end up in a small band of dMw trying to hold it together...
The idea behind the public-ness is good, but perhaps as soon as there's 8+ dMw online we should think about heading to the passworded server(s)? ...unless of course the public game is actually going well! :lmfao:
maybe its worth using Razor as a TCS server and enforce it. If publics dont want to play TCS style and persist on running off on there own we give them a soft kick ;)
QuoteOriginally posted by TeaLeaf@May 16 2005, 05:01 AM
There in lies the dilemma. :(
Smaller numbers on MH (maybe too small to get a proper game going) versus Larger numbers on Razer (with the inherent work that is involved in getting poeple to play TCS)
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Isn't that why bots in CZ are so handy? Getting a bunch of dMw peeps against a team of bots makes for good games even when we don't get enough people to get rid of the bots.
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maybe its worth using Razor as a TCS server and enforce it. If publics dont want to play TCS style and persist on running off on there own we give them a soft kick ;)
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I find humorous (for those watching) slapping, typically down to 1hp, tends to help? especially if the person in question is just stepping off a ledge :rolleyes: reserver the kick for those who didn't listen and/or are really just trying to be a pain? :devil: always include a reason for the slap/kick though as otherwise the vitcim will just get worse!
I agree with the lack of attraction for CS, I know it isn't really a huge outlay, but with my average bank balance fluctuating aroun the £5 mark by the last week of the month, I don't want to spend any more than I have to. I see little point in shellig out for CS:CZ as it seems just a tarted up version of 1.6, and before you all correct me and say how good it is, I am aware of all the ways in which it's better, I just object to it.
If they ever sort CS:S out then I will buy it as it represents a good step forward IMO.
Finally I will be buying BF2 when that comes out, and I for one would love to see a TCS dMw BF2 server, even at the expense of 1 or 2 CS servers. I think CS is largely on its way out, the graphics and physics don't cut it anymore, and gameplay is only good on the TCS servers, and while gameplay has always been the aim of CS, and has for the large part ensured its continued longevity, I'm afraid that that isn't enough anymore, it badly needs the modernisation that Source claimed to offer.
Therefore unless Source ever gets sorted out, I think the era of CS is indeed passing, and the state of the servers reflects that.
Careful. Razer is a public server (It says so on the label). :)
We cannot enforce TCS on a public server. To do so would have the admins climbing the walls and the server empty of raw recruits.
We simply do what we've been doing - showing the great unwashed how we at dMw play the game and wait for the penny to drop.
So don't be put off of joining Razer. We have had some very good rounds on there and the idiots are soon dispatched. If you do join, remember to use your comms often. It's what quickly advertises our different style. And rest assured that we will move to MH as soon as numbers allow.
Aw.....Alright then. :mellow:
Tonight MeatHook rose from the ashes, phÅ"nixlike. Good games.
Great fun.... long live MH :D :dmw: :clap:
:devil: :D 8)
QuoteOriginally posted by OldBloke@May 16 2005, 06:09 PM
Careful. Razer is a public server (It says so on the label). :)
We cannot enforce TCS on a public server. To do so would have the admins climbing the walls and the server empty of raw recruits.
We simply do what we've been doing - showing the great unwashed how we at dMw play the game and wait for the penny to drop.
So don't be put off of joining Razer. We have had some very good rounds on there and the idiots are soon dispatched. If you do join, remember to use your comms often. It's what quickly advertises our different style. And rest assured that we will move to MH as soon as numbers allow.
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there are some, no, lots of idiots out there, but I have seen punters on Razer start to come round to a more TCS way of playing...not all but some...
as a matter of interest...has anyone registered for MH as a result of playing on the publics?
that
would be a result 8)
Blunt, the other day a fella did join us at Razer and I gave him the PW for MH, a day later he joined up on the forum end so.
There are quit a few people aswell on BoD that like the TCS aproach. Haven't seen them up yet. 8)
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Blunt, the other day a fella did join us at Razer and I gave him the PW for MH, a day later he joined up on the forum end so.
There are quit a few people aswell on BoD that like the TCS aproach. Haven't seen them up yet. 8)
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You gave him the password for MeatHook BEFORE he signed up for the forum? Don't do that again. tsk tsk
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You gave him the password for MeatHook BEFORE he signed up for the forum? Don't do that again. tsk tsk
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He asked me first and as I'd seen the guy play it was no problem.
must admit I am surprised Blood Thirsty hasnt joined in the fun on mh yet !! :(
mind you if he does we might as well all hang up our AK's ;)
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He asked me first and as I'd seen the guy play it was no problem.
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Mmm, <_< , that's all right then. :)
with some reflection Id agree that forcing TCS wy=ould be"silly" for want of a better word. The sort of ppl we want to attract are those that can work it out for themselves (i.e. realise we are playing in a particular way).
:)
good games last night(Monday) btw
I think Razer is proving itself to be a good recruiting ground for the community....good on you for sticking at it despite the doubts some had/have.
almost every night we play on it, some1 new speaks up saying "great games...like the way u lot play" etc.
sunday night some guy joined called *RMS* or summat, before he even spawned he was texting "wot? u lot a clan? roflmao" etc... real attitude: changed his name to "lol"
2 mins later he was 0-3 and starting to get the idea...
at the finish he was texting "gg...wp...blunt you r a god" (alright, i made that bit up)
but the proof of the pudding is in the eating, as they say...
I know Trotsky has signed up, but have any others?
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I know Trotsky has signed up, but have any others?
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like me you mean? :narnar:
QuoteWe provide you with shelter from the solo frag-monkeys, spammers and team killers that so often populate public servers and wreck your gaming experience.
^^^ was what got me interested, oh yeah and skill isn't important attitude is.
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oh yeah and skill isn't important attitude is.
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Well not as far as I'm concerned. :) Which is just as well as I don't have an over-abundance of the stuff anyway! :(
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Well not as far as I'm concerned. :) Which is just as well as I don't have an over-abundance of the stuff anyway! :(
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nonsense Ron...
you've got loads of attitude! :whistle:
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nonsense Ron...
you've got loads of attitude! :whistle:
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Isn't it odd how sometimes you get the feeling that pressing 'Add reply' is going to give someone an opportunity to be a SMARTARSE! :bitch:
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Isn't it odd how sometimes you get the feeling that pressing 'Add reply' is going to give someone an opportunity to be a SMARTARSE! :bitch:
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errrrrr........no i'll restrain my self :whistle:
Is it possible to give members console acces just for adding bots? im quite sporadic in my game time at the moment because of my social life and when im online meathook seems empty, If i could add bots then i'd play them until people turned up.
My problem is i finish work or get home late and just want to quick game (not wait until people join meathook). I miss the good old days when i had nothing better to do than play CS 11 hours a day.
Charlie members can do this on Razer (if they ask to be granted admin rights).
MeatHook is full admins only.