Wishlist for the 20 man

lunares · June 04, 2006, 11:32:04 AM

Like the topic said i would to like to see ideas here to make the 20 man runs better.
If you have an idea post here and if possible also get a solution but just get the idea in here so we can look at it and work on it if its relevant.

I will start here.
in the signup system i would like to see the overall attendance of ppl.
Relevant to that is the ppl who where in the queue but not in the raid and the ppl who where admitted but did not show up (the amount of times).

A variation of the rolling system cause of the question is it an upgrade ( we discussed the possibilty to make 3 rolls first roll be an upgrade 2nd roll a nice item and the 3rd roll greed.)

An event calendar so we can plan ahead our raids a bit more then we do now (atm i am the only 1 online of the commanders and acording the the planning we have ZG on monday, but i am not sure so i wont start signups)

A limit to the amount of loot ppl can get per run. Say 2-3 pieces a run so more ppl get something.

We also talked about the AQ enchants. We just lost our 2 enchants we had cause snow ran away (his reason still eludes me cause as far as i know its utter bullshit what he said) however i think the raidleaders then need to decide who gets the enchant looking at rank and what ppl do for the raids etc. (like TL mentioned maybe officers or something like that)

All epic loot priority for mains in ZG/AQ20 cause the items are damn nice. Ofc if no main need the rest can roll.

Atm this is all i can think off. i will type more here when i think of something else.

Lunares

kregoron · June 06, 2006, 10:49:55 AM

I agree with you on all the mentioned parts...

Would soooo love to see a attendence based lootsystem, but there is 1 problem it could cause.. As the commanders are in almost every run we would get the stuff first, which will prolly piss off some people..
Rest i can just do /signed as its pretty much what i feel

Bastet · June 06, 2006, 11:15:32 AM

QuoteWe also talked about the AQ enchants. We just lost our 2 enchants we had cause snow ran away (his reason still eludes me cause as far as i know its utter bullshit what he said) however i think the raidleaders then need to decide who gets the enchant looking at rank and what ppl do for the raids etc. (like TL mentioned maybe officers or something like that)

Does one of the commanders have enchanting? Kregeron perhaps? If so just give all the recipys you find to him, either that or an officer (Teaelle personal preferance). Untill they both get all, then you can start rolling for it once again.

Padding · June 06, 2006, 11:34:21 AM

I'm kinda pissed of about having to wait ages for the ZG -madness- trinket, "just" because i didnt win one of the pieces in the start when we where doing ZG. I've been there a lot and i was there for the first Hexxer and Hakkar kill, and im close to exhalted in rep. But i still need to wait for others since they have a piece to the puzzle, and im not really sure that they would actually come back to finish the trinket they are collecting.

So i would very much like to see some kind of attendance based loot. Thats also what DKP does. It premieres the people who are doing the instances the most. So what if the people who are there the most, gets the loot first. Thats also what we are doing in MC/BWL etc.

About the enchants we find in AQ/ZG -plans, recipes etc- they should be given to the people we trust the most, and the people we know that will continue to be in the guild. Thats why the officers are getting the enchants, plans etc. from MC/BWL first.

I totally agree on the ALT's as well. Personally i dont really play with ALT's so i might be conceded, but mains should have loot priority over ALT's.

kregoron · June 06, 2006, 01:05:27 PM

QuoteDoes one of the commanders have enchanting? Kregeron perhaps? If so just give all the recipys you find to him, either that or an officer (Teaelle personal preferance). Untill they both get all, then you can start rolling for it once again.

yes i am enchanter

Yes we know padding thats one of the reason that i want to get some attendance based system running.. just so many things to consider when making it, but atm my mind is working double time solving this issue..

Menedil · June 06, 2006, 02:51:58 PM

problem with main priority over alts..

i.e. alt loses out on zin'rokh or someting x times due to mains being in raid.
newbie main comes along first time, and gets priority over alt on it, even though alt has been waiting for months or something to try get it.

thats not really fair, and its missing out on the whole "yes alts are ok in 20 man raids" unless you want to append "but you cant have any good loot" to that.

lunares · June 06, 2006, 05:02:55 PM

QuoteOriginally posted by Menedil@Jun 6 2006, 02:51 PM
problem with main priority over alts..

i.e. alt loses out on zin'rokh or someting x times due to mains being in raid.
newbie main comes along first time, and gets priority over alt on it, even though alt has been waiting for months or something to try get it.

thats not really fair, and its missing out on the whole "yes alts are ok in 20 man raids" unless you want to append "but you cant have any good loot" to that.
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True however if you give alts the same priority you get ppl who only come with alts cause they can get MC/BWL loot with their toons and then you can start learning the instance again cause ppl can play their class but have worse gear and less playing exp with their main. Also some need classes only want to join on their alts (for example jariuna on her druid while locks are a need class all the time. (though she will help on her lock if rly needed but not gladly)). For AQ20 we do not have ossirian on farm status due to the encounter itself (ppl need exp with it) and everytime having only alts or other ppl doesnt rly help (well they do learn the encounter).

On the topic of the enchants: I personally like to see them go to the commanders, marshals. field marshalls (commanders first, then the officers (allways forget their rank name, marshal or field marshall that is) however i also would to spread them out a bit between them so if someone can not come online due to RL for an extended mount of time at least we done loose all enchants for that time beeing.

On the ZG trinket topic. thats a hard 1 and i dont see to solve that without an attendance based system. Cause i can understand ppl who are there a lot and still dont have it however on the other hand having 3 parts for 4 months cause ppl with 0 parts outroll you everytime is also not the best thing there is.

Lunares

Menedil · June 07, 2006, 12:13:08 AM

re enchants:

first one should go to a commader or higher rank, the 2nd+ drops free for all, imo

Padding · June 08, 2006, 09:59:36 AM

Quotefirst one should go to a commader or higher rank, the 2nd+ drops free for all, imo

Yep, That is to secure that the hard-to-get plans/recipes etc stays in the guild.

TeaLeaf · June 08, 2006, 12:01:03 PM

In the following post please read 'officers' as 'commanders, marshall and field marshalls'

My personal and draconian preference is to secure all enchants and recipes within the officer ranks. When all of those officers have them then I would do a roll for others. My reason for this is that having one is nice, every now and then someone will respec to a different skill or leave. At least 2 examples of this spring to mind immediately just within those who used to be within the officer ranks and I would like us not to have to rely on one specific person to be online for the guild to have access. I know it's draconian, but I believe the best interests of the guild come before the 'wants' of other members for such recipes etc. As we are unlikely to lose all officers at once we should therefore never lose a specific recipe or enchant by prioritising such drops to officer ranks before others. Such an approach is also consistent then with the approach taken by Field Marshalls for MC/OL/BWL drops etc.

TL.

Bastet · June 08, 2006, 12:18:45 PM

QuoteOriginally posted by TeaLeaf@Jun 8 2006, 01:01 PM
In the following post please read 'officers' as 'commanders, marshall and field marshalls'
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You could just have used the ppl w/o lifes :lmfao:

Anyhow, the point he makes is valid though, all recipys from MC only went to other ppl after all the officers that could use it had it. Cept for engineering stuff which went to dajo mostly... like 30 spell dmg etc.