Soulangel - Healing + Mana efficiency

[Gorion]

could someone who has experience with healing and mana efficiency talk to him?
 
his performance was simply crap in heroics (failing to keep me alive for more then 5 seconds on the defender packs) (Teaelle already had a chat with him re spec, as he was drawing aggro like a madman)
 
effective healing in Kz last night was really low
 
re mana efficiency, he had 40% overhealing during last nights Kz run, i sent him a /w telling him the amount of overhealing hese doing and told him to lower it, by the end of the raid it was down to 38%, but imo it really needs working upon)

[Bob]

I suppose it would only be fair to give him a raid or two to get familiar with his new spec - I assume it has some new elements to it, and I guess it can take some time getting used to.

I also know he has been working really hard on getting his hands on many craftable epics, so it shows that he at least is trying to do something here, and that is something I think we should acknowledge. But still - we should be aware of it and keep an eye out for how he does in the time to come.


Re healing in general - what was perhaps more worrying than that Soulangel was healing below par, was the healing done by Ekzete. On the healing meter, you had Marduk on top doing an impressive amount of healing, than there was a big gap down to Soulangel, and Ekzete was even further down.

I didn't look too much at the numbers (didn't study any over-healing), as I was mostly busy with absorbing all the new impressions from Karazhan, but it was a difference that was quite noticeable!

[Gorion]

on my meter it showed marduk leading by far, ekzete a bit more down, and soul after ekzete
 
re soul: weve just called a tsh run, 140k effective, over 70k overheal :S

[TeaLeaf]

Soulangel has *just* respecced to a much more appropriate raid build with much less aggro (he copied my spec).  He still needs time to adjust to it.  One of the things I talked to him about was not bothering to have lesser heal and heal on the hot bar at all but using rank 1 greater heal and mid range gr heal as well as top rank gr heal.  He will no doubt be taking time to get used to the new build.

Also, you put any priest against a pallie and the pallie will increase the priest's overheal.  Period.  When you got 2 busy pallies then unless you have target focused healing then the priest's figures will always suffer.  But I suspect his over-healing is even more than it might normally be for the final point:

He still uses his mouse to target, then to click a spell.  I have talked to him about installing grid and switching to hotkeys and even offered to show him my layout - I am waiting for him to get Grid & Grid LayoutforHealers and to come back to me.  Perhaps you could push him on this?  The mouse-mouse delay will mean that almost every heal he does is late and behinda pallie heal meaning the bulk of his healing will be overheal.  Once he switches to mouse-key then you will see a huge improvement.

TL.

[JanuZ]

The problem with healing is that it is almost only based on class knowledge and experience. I will go more into how to deal with performance in the other thread but I will go into why it is hard to teach someone to heal here. Also comparing healers against Marduk isn't really fair seeing as he is one of the healers with most experience in the guild and is better geared then most of the guilds healers.

If you are on a relatively new healer in a instance with a good group that is able to CC everything except target and doesn't pull agro at all he will not be getting alot of experience as a healer. Bad groups are what make healers and a sign of a great healer is that he felt the run was complete hell but the group talks about how easy it was. Only experience teaches you things like how to cancel heals at the right time, how to see a big hit or an agro change coming and time the heal to come just after the hit.

Now things like knowing what heal to use and what spec is based on knowledge of the class and healing in general and isn't as important as the experience though it can give you a bigger buffer for error or it gives you the extra edge over equally good healer. For example i never needed to down rank a heal as a paladin before the expansion and i never had to use a holy light before the expansion. I knew other classes had to do this but i didn't have to do it so why should I? Also an old thread i had a long time ago about paladin healing spec compared how much mana regen you lost based on missing 2talents in the holy tree(5% crit and mana back from crit). Now at the time i believe Marduk was 1 of the healers topping the meters but he didn't have the 5% crit talent. Now i can't remember the numbers but he was loosing alot of healing power because of it but he still beat the other pallies.
To improve knowledge there are only 2things possible, read other peoples research or research yourself. Most people copy a talent build from someone else. Some look at a general build and adapt it to own play style moving a point here and there while other look at someones build and copy it exactly. While there are a few that create there own spec test them out, run some numbers and improve based on the research. Same with gear choice. Most people either guess what is better or/and ask what someone else thinks while other people sit down and crunch the numbers.
 
As an example of the extreme Paladins get damage from both Attack Power and Spell damage and it can be very hard to eyeball an item to decide what gives more DPS and many person go purely for Strength or Spell damage. Now lets say that the only attacks are normal physical damage and holy shock and no buffs or talents affect the damage. Now 7Str = 14AP which adds 1DPS. Now i don't have the modifier to spell damage for holy shock at the moment so lets say it is 0.5. So Holy shock is cast once every 15seconds so 1DPS needs 30Spell damage. Now it might be hard choosing between a helm with 14Str, 20sta and +15dmg and a 21Str, 20sta +10spell damage but with the numbers above it would be easy. you can see that you get 1.5DPS from the first helm while you get 1.8333DPS with the second while alot of people would choose the first because it has higher spell damage or the second because it has higher Strength.



Now experience comes from doing different runs with bosses with diffrent mechanics. Also PvP is one of the best places to learn how to see where the damage will be coming and who is more important to heal.

Some examples

You have 2targets with 2MTs in Karazhan. 1MT is at 33% but has just lost aggro to a mage at full health. Second MT is at 50% health and has a heal incoming. What MT should you heal? Neither seeing as the heal has a longer cast time then the swing time of the mob and no caster will survive 2hits from a Karazhan mob so you should heal the mage. The second heal should either go to the MT at lower health or the mage depending on if the mob is tauntable, if a heal is coming for the tank and if it is expected the tank will have aggro before the mage gets hit twice again. Your heal should have given the mage a buffer for a second hit but the tank would die if you took time for a second heal to top the mage after the second hit while the tank gets the third hit and the mage would die if a third hit comes. This is something PvP really helps you learn especially arena.

I hate it when a tank runs out of the ring on murmur when he does his blast thing. A good healer can easily time it so that the tank is at almost full health 0.2sec after the blast and a very good healer(with good latency) could even make the blast just seem like a normal hit. But a Healer that doesn't have alot of experience would not start his heal before the casting of the blast was done, the heal would take longer then the 1.8sec until the melee hit and the tank is dead.



Example of the same can be used about Deloris and Plight. Seeing as they almost always play together, they get used to it. 2people questing together requires less focus and less knowledge and it gives them less experience. A lvl30mage that always quests with a warrior at same level will not learn important things like kiting, CC and most effective casting sequence.
Same in instances if the rest of the group is good they don't need to get better at DPSing and only things that made people try to get better in the days of MC was damage meters or PvP.
We also know that they don't do much research or gather knowledge from other people seeing as they don't check forums alot and are generally quiet in guild and group chat.

Not gonna write more here now seeing as i am getting tierd and i have other posts to respond to

[spiritus]

omg.. i read the whole post... and i agree.. i got my own playing style. and i won't say it's god or bad.. but i would have to work a bit if i got a msg to change spec/style.. dunno if i would even survive going ret :blink:
so i agree with teni on this. but to take ppl that got the msg about changing on run to see and help them on the way wouldn't be a bad idea. and like teni said, i also hardly used holy light before the patch.. must have been 2'nd boss in BWL.. but now i use it a lot.. and i also get aggro mr G... wasn't i topp on killing blows the other day? i think it was that i did miss calculate my heals, and they arrived a bit early..

[Gorion]

well the way he was pulling bosses and mobs from me was wierd.. i was using all my hits and he was still aggroing

[Bastet]

Healing agro is ****ed up tbh, its very eazy to pull agro if you start with big heals straight from the start. :sideways:

[TeaLeaf]

Healing agro is ****ed up tbh, its very eazy to pull agro if you start with big heals straight from the start. :sideways:

...and if you don;t have 5/5 points in the only healing aggro reducing ability :whistle:

Now he has.

TL.