Raiding and Achievements

Limps · November 03, 2009, 11:15:03 PM

Quote from: Mezzanine;295142I respect the leaders fully, be so sure, when there's a valid reason. To tell you the truth I was even linked a good macro to complete this particular achievement by one of the leading officers, but refrained to go on with it when it became such a fuss.

What do you call such a double standard?

I would call it "not good" and a mistake, something that should not have bin done but a lot of sides to a story it could have bin meant for a 10 man run and it dont really matter what it was for. You got to keep in mind 1 officer dont represent all. But i do agree with you it could be looked at as a double standard but i am sure its not meant like that.

Mezzanine · November 04, 2009, 12:47:38 AM

I assure you it was meant for tonight, not a 10-m raid. I guess you can say it was from a person who I believe sense what is worth addressing when it comes to raid discipline. And harmless fooling around when it has no effect whatsoever on the boss attempt outcome isn't covered by that. On the contrary, it could raise raiding spirits, a feeling of some kind of accomplishment.

I don't get your point about officers. If one officer is telling me it's ok, then he's just one person not representing all of you. But when two class leaders tells us that the same thing isn't ok, *you're* representing the officers? What logic do I miss here?

And claiming the raid is stalled or unfocused because of a 1 second typing when waiting to die is like telling us we can't remove our weapons before an inevitable wipe to slightly cut down on rep bills because it decreases our performance when we go down. I don't understand how this can become such a great issue that players are growled at and it's even brought to the forum, when non-flask users, slacking or general time consuming behaviour are accepted.

Besides, what if you had made something positive out of it instead? Said that ok, if we call it a wipe this go, you're allowed to use whatever macro to get your achievement. We wipe, but the raiders are quite happy anyways. I don't think for a second it would be abused or that someone would consciously cause a wipe to get it. It would be quite ironic - here we die kissing and making up.

This is no big deal to me, really it isn't. I don't care one bit about that nubcake achievement, more than it could be a few moments of amusement. But it gets to me when raiders are shouted at for ridiculous reasons. How are they to see the forest when you're planting so many silly trees?

Azunai · November 04, 2009, 01:21:13 AM

We need not be kids about this:

- It's completely retarded to aim for any sort of minor individual achievement whilst your time is better spent raiding, making sure a wipe does not occur
- When half the raid is found kissing the floor and the wipe is 100% certain anyway, feel free to throw Sarah a kiss if you must. Like Mezz says, there's even macro's you can use
- Anyone who draws the conclusion out of the above that it's ok to go tickle Hodir's balls or whatever else is out there because it makes his/her virtual e-peen 10 points bigger, whilst we need your behind to DPS/raidheal/tank the bugger instead, needs to wonder if he/she's in the right raidgroup

End of pointless discussion

Gandalf · November 04, 2009, 07:18:53 AM

Quote from: Azunai;295162We need not be kids about this:

- It's completely retarded to aim for any sort of minor individual achievement whilst your time is better spent raiding, making sure a wipe does not occur
- When half the raid is found kissing the floor and the wipe is 100% certain anyway, feel free to throw Sarah a kiss if you must. Like Mezz says, there's even macro's you can use
- Anyone who draws the conclusion out of the above that it's ok to go tickle Hodir's balls or whatever else is out there because it makes his/her virtual e-peen 10 points bigger, whilst we need your behind to DPS/raidheal/tank the bugger instead, needs to wonder if he/she's in the right raidgroup

End of pointless discussion

I couldn't have put it better myself.

Besides, out of all of the raiding achievements, this is the easiest to get with a macro if you know what you are doing. But ONLY this achievement, as it can be done with a one button press when a wipe is called.

Simply bind;

Code Select

/target Sara
/kiss

To a spare slot in your hotbar, then if a wipe is called, press the button = instant achievement.

I suggest you all bind that macro, then the next time we call a wipe in there for whatever reason during P2, you can press the button, get your achievement and we can move on from this, as discussions like this will just end up going round in circles and not acomplish anything.

Sithvid · November 04, 2009, 10:31:15 AM

The primary objective is to have fun.

We need to accept that not everyone has the same viewpoint as ourselves, to some people the achievement chasing in futile banal pointless etc to others it means something.
As Mezz said there was no risk to the Raid progress and really no issue.

The only issue I take offence at is the tone in which some of these things are pointed out. :ranting2:
I am sure we get exasperated which each other flasks buffs ability,train, train wrecker, spammin fishy macros, BUT respect each other and speak nicely and generally people are more responsive...
10 years and a diploma in management have given me this viewpoint it may be subjective to my life but shouting don't get you very far...

now how do I bind that macro...

Limps · November 04, 2009, 02:14:22 PM

Quote from: Mezzanine;295159I assure you it was meant for tonight, not a 10-m raid. I guess you can say it was from a person who I believe sense what is worth addressing when it comes to raid discipline. And harmless fooling around when it has no effect whatsoever on the boss attempt outcome isn't covered by that. On the contrary, it could raise raiding spirits, a feeling of some kind of accomplishment.

I don't get your point about officers. If one officer is telling me it's ok, then he's just one person not representing all of you. But when two class leaders tells us that the same thing isn't ok, *you're* representing the officers? What logic do I miss here?

And claiming the raid is stalled or unfocused because of a 1 second typing when waiting to die is like telling us we can't remove our weapons before an inevitable wipe to slightly cut down on rep bills because it decreases our performance when we go down. I don't understand how this can become such a great issue that players are growled at and it's even brought to the forum, when non-flask users, slacking or general time consuming behaviour are accepted.

Besides, what if you had made something positive out of it instead? Said that ok, if we call it a wipe this go, you're allowed to use whatever macro to get your achievement. We wipe, but the raiders are quite happy anyways. I don't think for a second it would be abused or that someone would consciously cause a wipe to get it. It would be quite ironic - here we die kissing and making up.

This is no big deal to me, really it isn't. I don't care one bit about that nubcake achievement, more than it could be a few moments of amusement. But it gets to me when raiders are shouted at for ridiculous reasons. How are they to see the forest when you're planting so many silly trees?

I cant comment anymore on this subject i think i made my statement and seems not many agree, so such is life disapointed but hey.

Grimnar · November 04, 2009, 02:29:55 PM

can someone close this topic.

Lets go raid again as a team:flirty:

Mezzanine · November 04, 2009, 02:32:57 PM

Maybe we can agree that ice cream, mudcake and hot fudge is the best dessert combination in the world? <3

Gandalf · November 04, 2009, 03:17:01 PM

Quote from: Mezzanine;295235Maybe we can agree that ice cream, mudcake and hot fudge is the best dessert combination in the world? <3

oh yes! :wub:

Gandalf · November 04, 2009, 03:26:53 PM

Quote from: Ice Hawk;295234can someone close this topic.

Lets go raid again as a team:flirty:

ok, this is now getting silly. I have made a decision on this and will add to the info thread.

Basically, all achievements are off limits in raids UNLESS it is a specific achievement run.

Please do not try to get any achievements and focus on the raid.

If an achievement does pop up during the course of the raid, then that is ok (Such as nerf gravity bombs, etc) as these are awarded for doing the raid as it should be done.

I'm closing this now as there isn't any more to be gained from this and we are going to end up going in circles and causing divisions which is not what we are here for.