Molten Core & Onyxia's Lair

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TeaLeaf

August 08, 2005, 02:15:11 PM
Had my first trip into Molten Core last night with a 40 person Raid group (thanks for the invite Fatal!) organised by the SoG and Danu guilds.  We managed to kill the first three bosses (Lucifer, Magmadar and Gehannas), which apparently is a first for the group.  Great fun was had by all.  I even managed to achieve a last man standing with Gehannas and my cloth-armored Mage managed to deliver the final body blows which killed him :D  I have a screen shot which I will have to post of me, a Pallie on the floor recovering and 38 other bodies lying around the corpse of Gehennas :lol:

We're planning to go to Onyxia's Lair this Friday, so I need to finish the Onyxia series of Quests by then to get myself the trinket charm that allows me entry to OL.  So if anyone on Aszune wants to join me in completing that quest line then give me a shout and we can buddy up to finish the series more quickly!

TL.
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Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships. (Michael Jordan)

TeaLeaf

#1
August 16, 2005, 12:32:40 PM
Tip:  When trying to kill Magmadar always make sure you have a Dwarven Priest in your group.  They alone have Fear Ward which will allow you to ensure that the MT doesn't lose any aggro.  Magmadar is seriously hard without a Dwarf Priest.

TL.
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Wisdom doesn\'t necessarily come with age. Sometimes age just shows up all by itself.  (Tom Wilson)
Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships. (Michael Jordan)

JonnyAppleSeed

#2
August 17, 2005, 11:50:20 AM
How did it go in the lair ???
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TeaLeaf

#3
August 17, 2005, 12:56:40 PM
OL was tough and we did not kill Onyxia, although it was our first trip there.  We'll be going again this Friday to see if we can improve.  We got her down to about 33% health, but we need to tweak our tactics to ensure we can take her down further (which I am convinced we will do this Friday).

In Molten Core we're not so bad, we've toppled the first 4 bosses and home to get the last 3 before the instance reset on Friday.  We are tending to do the 2-3 bosses per raid (the instance is a 6 day reset) so hope to get to the 6th boss. possibly 7th by the week's end.

The best Guilds can do all 7 bosses in MC in 4-5 hours - although how I do not know, our 40 person raid is at full flow just to do what we are doing :lol:

TL.
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Wisdom doesn\'t necessarily come with age. Sometimes age just shows up all by itself.  (Tom Wilson)
Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships. (Michael Jordan)

smilodon

#4
August 21, 2005, 02:16:31 AM
I've done the Onyxia raid a few times. There is definately a correct way to attack her. I suspect there is in fact only one basic technique that is usable. Everything else will end in distaster. Some of my pals on Argent Dawn did her with a 19 raid group which is pretty impressive. The best I have been in was a 29 group. I still don't fully understand what the correct approach is, I just stand where I am told and shoot lots of bullets.
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TeaLeaf

#5
August 21, 2005, 08:37:59 AM
Our approach is like this:
(I see no reason not to post this as the tactics for OL are freely available on the web)
  • We use the standard OL positoning - 8 teams 4 NW of Onyxia, 4 NE of her, the melee in both southern teams on both sides look after the whelps.
  • We use CT_RaidAssist to broadcast warnings and timings until 'Deap Breath' fire damage etc
  • MT takes position in the North
  • We let the MT build aggro for the first 3% of Onyxia's Health
  • Once she is down to 97% health we then start low DPS (wands) and some melee (we keep other melee to handle the dragon whelps should they spawn)
  • By using wands during this initial phase (and the occasional frost bolt etc) we preserve mana so that ranged casters are at full mana when phase 2 of the fight starts
  • At about 65-70% health she starts phase 2 of the fight and starts to fly so melee is useless and we therefore use maximum sustained DPS on her from ranged weapons (casters/hunters etc).
  • We usually handle this bit well and get her down to 40% health fairly comfortably - the one problem we do have is that late in phase 2 she backs up (still in flight) to the very south of the cave, thus going out of range of most of the casters in the NE and NW sides of the cave.  The result is that we end up with ranged attacks having to move south into the middle of the cave towards her to get back into range to cast.  
  • At this point we try to revert to wands to reduce the DPS we are delivering in the hope that the MT can regain aggro quickly.
  • This is no problem at this stage but is a problem when phase 3 starts.
  • At about 40% health phase 3 of the fight starts and Onyxia lands in the southern end of the cave.  This is where our problems seem to start.
  • The MT struggles to regain aggro even though we have all stopped attacking.
  • During this period Onyxia swipes and 'deep breath' fire damages a load of our raid group - if we attack we pull aggro, if we don't then we have a good chance of being killed whilst doing nothing!
  • Because our ranged weapons were pulled south into the middle of the cave during the later stages of phase 2 in order to stay in range and continue DPS then the melee damage dished out by Onyxia is higher than id we had all stayed back.
  • Basically during the start of phase 3 we usually lose a sufficient number of people to make the attempt a wipe.  We have not yet managed to successfully pass aggro back to the MT and then then pull her back into position with the MT at the north of the cave.
Any suggestions welcomed.

TL.
TL.
Wisdom doesn\'t necessarily come with age. Sometimes age just shows up all by itself.  (Tom Wilson)
Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships. (Michael Jordan)

Anonymous

#6
August 21, 2005, 10:35:43 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by TeaLeaf@Aug 21 2005, 07:37 AM
Any suggestions welcomed.

TL.
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TeaLeaf

#7
August 21, 2005, 04:08:30 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by BlueBall@Aug 21 2005, 10:35 AM
What you need is Frenzy or Liberator in a Cobra :devil:
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They's be melted by a fire ball and evaporate in about 2 seconds - but on the other hand that would be quite funny to watch :norty:

TL.
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Wisdom doesn\'t necessarily come with age. Sometimes age just shows up all by itself.  (Tom Wilson)
Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships. (Michael Jordan)

JonnyAppleSeed

#8
August 28, 2005, 09:05:37 AM
Vid of the Takedown

Big Spoiler Waning .... :D
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TeaLeaf

#9
August 28, 2005, 01:38:26 PM
Nice, but did you notice that in 'take 1' when they first pulled Onyxia that the rear of the raid party was slow off the ramp and managed to pull the respawning Warder as well?  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

How they managed to survive with people at her rear I do not know, the south of the cave is generally known as 'death valley' where nobody survives  :blink:

TL.
TL.
Wisdom doesn\'t necessarily come with age. Sometimes age just shows up all by itself.  (Tom Wilson)
Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships. (Michael Jordan)

TeaLeaf

#10
August 31, 2005, 07:38:44 AM
Had a great time in Molten Core last night.  Tactics and discipline across the 8 team, 40 person raid party are improving well and we are now able to take the first few bosses fairly confidently up until Baron Gedd when it starts getting a little more difficult.  

Up until last night we had never managed to kill Shazzrah, but last night we cleared the Baron, Shazzrah and then for good measure went on to kill both Sulfuron Harbinger and  Golemagg the Incinerator for raid first kills.  Golemag dropped four epic items!  If you're interested you can see the drop list here.

Next up is Majordomo Executus, but we got a few more to complete the necessary quest tomorrow, so hopefully by Thursday we'll be ready to have a crack at him.

TL.
TL.
Wisdom doesn\'t necessarily come with age. Sometimes age just shows up all by itself.  (Tom Wilson)
Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships. (Michael Jordan)

JonnyAppleSeed

#11
August 31, 2005, 04:53:06 PM
Tactics and discipline across the 8 team, 40 person raid

Respect for that alone .... :blink:

How long did it take sounds like a hell of a long time 3hours+  ?
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion

TeaLeaf

#12
August 31, 2005, 08:31:06 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by JonnyAppleSeed@Aug 31 2005, 04:53 PM
f a long time 3hours+ ?
After an initial delay in getting started the actually active raid time was about 2hrs 30mins.

TL.
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Wisdom doesn\'t necessarily come with age. Sometimes age just shows up all by itself.  (Tom Wilson)
Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships. (Michael Jordan)

TeaLeaf

#13
September 07, 2005, 06:42:38 AM
Welll, last night's MC raid was my night.  Having built up some DKP I ended up getting these:

Arcanist Belt
Arcanist Gloves
Fire Runed Grimoire

The belt I am particularly chuffed with, it's a random rare drop within MC and so is the hardest part of the set to get.  We also managed to have our first crack at Majordomo last night:  we wiped both times, but at least we know what we're up against now and can spend the next visit concentrating solely on him before our final goal, Ragnaros.

Silver Oak Guardians are also on the look out for more L60s to join the raid - so if anyone from dMw wants in then please let me know and I'll put you in touch with Tenilia or Kreuz.  We're regular TeamSpeak users so it's a pretty good laugh.  Dillinja (Fatal), Jeebus (FatBob) and myself are already members, why not come and join us for some MC/OL fun?

TL.
TL.
Wisdom doesn\'t necessarily come with age. Sometimes age just shows up all by itself.  (Tom Wilson)
Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships. (Michael Jordan)

Gandalf

#14
September 07, 2005, 08:36:26 AM
Sounds like fun. I've not been playing my Mage much, been a Horde for quite a while now and am loving killing the filthy alliance pigs :P

Anyway, my mage is lev 57 now and with the free 1.5 levels of rest being credited today I should be 60 in a week or so, so I'll be up for a blast. I've just started playing the mage again this week and forgot how much fun it can be. :D
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