Time to standup

[OldBloke]

Can we all please try to make sure that we do nothing to fuel the bad feeling being expressed by some members over the migration of the SoG forum.

Most of the negative vibes seem to surround the posts being made in the WoW section. What's not being emphasised is the positives. We now have another active section of the community that can only help our cause to grow. The posting 'spam' as it's being called is nothing of the kind. We have moderators in both dMw and SoG that see to that. What we're seeing is a one-sided argument that sees the WoW forum section as a SoG takeover. It is nothing of the sort and we need to make sure that that message is understood.

If you feel differently then please raise you concerns here.

[Anonymous]

As I have posted elsewhere I am delighted that SoG are here.

As I have also posted elsewhere I do have a problem with not being able to filter out posts that i don't want to see. I am busy, I have limited time and what time I do have I am trying to keep BF2 going (PRMM etc)

I cannot spend time filtering posts when it could be easily avoided by using the software already at our disposal. Do I feel strongly about this. Yes, VERY. I am totally t'd off with TLs attempt to dismiss it. Many people have an issue, at first I thoughti t was just me that was struggling to cope however I received several PM which I informed TL off. He effectively dismissed the problem so i let it go and decided to try and push the cheerful approach. However, since then many others have expressed displeasure at having to trawl through stuff that is important to some but not to all.

I also do not think that this is a slight blip with migrating posts. Most of the posts appear to be new ones.

So, to reiterate for the hard of reading:

I am glad we have a strong WoW section
I believe this can be addressed using the software we have to the satisfaction of all
I am annoyed at the way TL has tried to dismiss this out of hand.
We need to address the needs of the existing members because if you'll notice it's the long serving members that are finding it a pain. What does that tell you.

If this reads in a grumpy way its meant to!

[OldBloke]

I use the forum differently to you (and others) it seems.

I don't use the 'My Assistant' method to find new posts. I gave up on this when, like you, I found that there were far too many to read each day. I select each forum section where there are new posts and where I'm interested in reading them. I simply ignore the areas that don't interest me. When I'm finished I click the 'mark all posts read' link at the bottom. Works for me and hence I'm not seeing the multitude of WoW posts as it's a section I rarely visit. So here's a way to get the forum to work for you.

I have no problem with people expressing their unhappiness in having to 'wade through' lots of posts that don't interest them. It's the language being used and the amount of emotion being demonstrated that concerns me. Talk and now a poll that speaks of a 'takeover' is damaging, divisive and just plain wrong. As is making sections of the forum a closed shop just because the subject holds no interest for you. When the BF2 section was being Ranger'ed there weren't pleas from disinterested parties to fence it off!

I'm not hard of reading. I'm bewildered by the reaction of so-called senior members (most of whom have recently been inactive in supporting the community btw) who now feel that their nose has been put out of joint by the introduction of a vibrant forum section.

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by OldBloke+Mar 6 2006, 10:03 PM-->

QUOTE(OldBloke @ Mar 6 2006, 10:03 PM)

I'm not hard of reading. [/b]

I didnt say YOU were

[OldBloke]

Originally posted by BlueBall@Mar 6 2006, 11:11 PM
Is that aimed at me?

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... most of whom have recently been inactive in supporting the community ...

Now who's hard of reading

[Anonymous]

Originally posted by OldBloke@Mar 6 2006, 11:19 PM
Now who's hard of reading

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Okay you got me

[TeaLeaf]

I think you summation of what I said to you is a little harsh BB, what I said is below.

If you are referring to my response to some of the public posts then again i have to disagree.  I thought I was quite reserved when I could have gone OTT.  It's like some members think that the forums should only be for BF2 and anything else is an interruption of their lifestyle.  The commands exist on the forum to read things very easily - we don't have to go out of our way to placate people, just to explain the role of the community - indeed where this has happened some have subsequently said 'ah yes, I see your point, you're right'.

And when you get people like Doggers taking regular potshots I really feel something needs to be said.

TL.

The idea is that we have a public section to improve traffic. Much as some people do not care for the sheer volume of BF2 posts, some will not care for the WoW posts. The solution is quite simple - don't read them.

As you said, there are some initial post transfers that are having to be done manually, but it will die down a bit shortly.

When we upgrade forum software then user control like the above may or may not be possible, but as the whole thing is public I doubt it will.

They'll get used to it and it will slow. We're 800 members and so far there are about 20 SoG, so the balance is kind of in dMw's favour.......

TL.

[MAD_ness]

Although its kinda daunting every time you press the "view new posts" tab ... I am the same as OB ... I just don't bother to look at the druids/rogue/ paladin(sp?)/WOW  sections as they hold ZERO interest for me ......it takes a little more time to trawl through the many posts ATM ...but that is purely down to the mass migration of the SOG hordes ( hopefully)


The one post I hoped would have had a HUGE response from was the award from ed ...... ALL the old timers (no pun intended) should realise that these dont come easily ...and I was expecting a lot more as these guys who have been a part of dMw for the last few years should've responded to IMO .....including Doggers..as he was fundamental in the formation of this clan, then community...even *if* he is a man of few (but chosen) words even he should be proud of what he started, and what we have continued............... off the soap box now ...and slightly off topic ...sorry  :blush:


If the forum does continue to receive posts in the amount we are presently experiencing then perhaps something may have to be done ... but I am firmly on the fence ATM ...  sorry guys

[Cadaver]

I'm sure this is just a transitional period. Let's give it a week or two. I hope the SoG guys will integrate nicely, and that we come out of this a more diverse community.

My only criticism in all this, was in the lack of notice given to everyone. There was a statement made on Friday 3rd announcing SoG's arrival, and then the world went mad shortly after. Kinda like having to undergo a load of Ranger's being let loose all at once.

The increase in posting volume did make it easy to miss the announcement itself. Especially for one who uses the 'View New Posts' button habitually. :blush:
It blindsided me, and I know it left me with a 'WTH is going on?' feeling (until I found the announcement hidden amongst it all). But then my home PC died that very evening, so I've had other things on my plate...

Can I suggest that if we're going to go through an integration exercise again, that a tad more consideration is shown to the existing community, by giving them the luxury of a head's up? Doesn't have to be much. Just telling folks a week before the event that the posting volume was going to skyrocket, and to give it a week or so to settle down after would've been enough.

I get the distinct impression that only the Head Admins knew in advance about the integration? Maybe if everyone down to game admin had been briefed beforehand, we could have been more effective at helping with the transition, and allaying any fears expressed by our existing membership?

People hate change, and all that, but can usually adapt when forewarned.

[Blunt]

Originally posted by Cadaver@Mar 7 2006, 11:01 AM
I'm sure this is just a transitional period. Let's give it a week or two. I hope the SoG guys will integrate nicely, and that we come out of this a more diverse community.

My only criticism in all this, was in the lack of notice given to everyone. There was a statement made on Friday 3rd announcing SoG's arrival, and then the world went mad shortly after. Kinda like having to undergo a load of Ranger's being let loose all at once.

The increase in posting volume did make it easy to miss the announcement itself. Especially for one who uses the 'View New Posts' button habitually. :blush:
It blindsided me, and I know it left me with a 'WTH is going on?' feeling (until I found the announcement hidden amongst it all). But then my home PC died that very evening, so I've had other things on my plate...

Can I suggest that if we're going to go through an integration exercise again, that a tad more consideration is shown to the existing community, by giving them the luxury of a head's up? Doesn't have to be much. Just telling folks a week before the event that the posting volume was going to skyrocket, and to give it a week or so to settle down after would've been enough.

I get the distinct impression that only the Head Admins knew in advance about the integration? Maybe if everyone down to game admin had been briefed beforehand, we could have been more effective at helping with the transition, and allaying any fears expressed by our existing membership?

People hate change, and all that, but can usually adapt when forewarned.

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things are settling down already :huggy:








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[TeaLeaf]

Originally posted by Cadaver@Mar 7 2006, 12:01 PM
Maybe if everyone down to game admin had been briefed beforehand, we could have been more effective at helping with the transition, and allaying any fears expressed by our existing membership?

They were advised (down to Section Admin).  There is a special hidden section they can see at the moment called 'dMw Restructuring' in which just such information was given in advance.

But I'm glad it's cooling down.

TL.

[JonnyAppleSeed]

Yup the heads up on this was crap - Just having a few days notice to vent any concerns on the matter would have been nice, put us all on the same song sheet and would have ended up with a greating to our guests worthy of dmw instead of the embarasment that we got

I keep hearing posts about our wow comunity .. dmw has/had a very small wow comunity already avctive ticking away in the background thats just been run over by a very large train with no way to stop it  

An influx of members to dmw forums is good i do belive that ... I just think it was done in a way that got peoples back up and this is the flack

Oh applications ...we dont need to see these get em pm'ed to the officers...we dont want to see people getting kicked back because they didnt put a cross in the correct box

As for your post madness its great news and worthy of more it just came out on the wrong day

Whats done is done we can stick it under the banner of progress im sure .. and file this post in a box marked [as useless as a cock flavored lollypop ]

[TeaLeaf]

Originally posted by JonnyAppleSeed@Mar 7 2006, 01:03 PM
Yup the heads up on this was crap - Just having a few days notice to vent any concerns on the matter would have been nice

Err, the post went up on February 10th and was open to Section Admins and above.

And let's try to not double post stuff already answered and dealt with in other threads, otherwise it gets way too deja vue - thanks.


TL.

[Whitey]

Originally posted by TeaLeaf@Mar 7 2006, 12:52 PM
Err, the post went up on February 10th and was open to Section Admins and above.

I think a wider distribution of the information would have helped prepare people.  An anouncement to the whole community on the 10th Feb would have prevented a lot of the negative posts.  

[TeaLeaf]

That was not possible as at that stage nothing had been confirmed.  However we told everyone what was likely to happen and then confirmed that the move was being prepared for on 28th March.

Unfortunately we can't tell everyone and the decision was taken during the restructuring process to go down to only Section Admin level, otherwise we get a very large committee involved which can lead to inaction.  We'll reconsider it next time if soemthing like this happens again, but that's the way it happened and we figured Section Admins knowing put enough people in the loop.  

TL.