vorbis support

Wordan · April 10, 2006, 01:46:16 AM

Why doesn't the likes of Apple, Microsoft or Macromedia support the Ogg Vorbis audio codec in their software, which I can't imagine would set them back very much to implement.

suicidal_monkey · April 10, 2006, 12:08:33 PM

as long as the platform you're using allows the installation of codecs you're okay... in terms of portable media players I'm pretty sure you can get a few players out there that do ogg vorbis. I seem to recall some of the Sony players might have had support for it?

Penfold · April 10, 2006, 12:15:56 PM

The only ogg files I've come across so far are the voice prompts for TomTom's sat nav

when I needed to listen to them I used this :

http://www.topshareware.com/Ogg-Player-download-3557.htm

and yes, you're right, they should be included in the mainstream packages...

PEN

DogMeat · April 10, 2006, 01:21:02 PM

QuoteOriginally posted by Wordan@Apr 10 2006, 01:46 AM
Why doesn't the likes of Apple, Microsoft or Macromedia support the Ogg Vorbis audio codec in their software, which I can't imagine would set them back very much to implement.
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Because it's Open Source. Which means that anything they produce that uses it must also be Open Source. Which means that everyone will be able to:

a. see how crap their coding is.
b. hack the bejasus out of it.
c. tell them to TANGO off when they demand money.

Wordan · April 10, 2006, 01:46:41 PM

"Because it's Open Source. Which means that anything they produc that uses it must also be Open Source."

I don't believe that is the case with the licence the ogg vorbis people use is it?

To my understanding, Microsoft or Apple may not include Ogg Vorbis because they have their own codecs which they would rather have people use, to maximise their revenue, but what about Macromedia?

Carr0t · April 10, 2006, 02:17:19 PM

I'd say that was the more likely explanation Wordan. From the Ogg Vorbis homepage FAQ:

"We make commercial, closed source software. Can I use Ogg Vorbis at all? What licensing do I need to pay?

Again, there are no licensing fees for any use of the Ogg Vorbis specification. As a commercial developer, you are free to create and sell (or give away) open or closed source implementations of Vorbis encoders, decoders, or other tools. However, if you use our software rather than writing an independent implementation, you must respect the terms of the license. Our libraries are available under our BSD-like license and can be used whole or in part by closed source applications."

DogMeat · April 10, 2006, 07:24:34 PM

QuoteOriginally posted by Wordan@Apr 10 2006, 01:46 PM
"Because it's Open Source. Which means that anything they produc that uses it must also be Open Source."

I don't believe that is the case with the licence the ogg vorbis people use is it?

To my understanding, Microsoft or Apple may not include Ogg Vorbis because they have their own codecs which they would rather have people use, to maximise their revenue, but what about Macromedia?
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You've answered your own question then.

Wordan · April 10, 2006, 08:26:50 PM

I'm just looking for other peopes opinions to get my facts streight, besides I still don't understand why Macromedia doesn't supports ogg, (or maybe they do?). The reason I ask about Macromedia is because of the idea of using flash to play sound on websites(much better imo than big wmp,quicktime,realplayer plugins), and vorbis gets better compression than MP3 and is free to encode