Elementium Ore - Sceptre Quest Line

Ragnarh · August 20, 2006, 04:47:45 PM

Pls divide them into can do without ore and with.Cause you dont need ore to get all those. :eyebrow:

TeaLeaf · August 20, 2006, 05:53:24 PM

Nope, but you asked what benefit the guild got from the quest line. Voila. I've also inserted a break to help you, the things above the break I believe are possible without ore, the things below are not. The things above the break do not come easy or cheap though and many things we simply cannot do without Guild help.

TL.

Ragnarh · August 20, 2006, 09:54:12 PM

AS far as I can tell, the only quest and loot that can be had by turning in the elementium ore is
http://www.thottbot.com/?qu=8728 (the bad news) and
http://www.thottbot.com/?qu=8729 (The Wrath of Neptulos)
that gives
Band of Icy Depths http://www.thottbot.com/?i=52510 or
Darkwater Robes http://www.thottbot.com/?i=52512

After you get the shards the quest line ends (as far as I know)

Jasper Link is an alternative to the ring . has not got the 19 stamina tho and may have tho be bouught at AH ,but all in all it is probably cheaper and I don't see to manny casters rolling on the + stamina rings (warlocs excluded).

Unles there is a followupp quest (with revards) that I am not avare of. Then I am not to keen on handing out ore for this ,at this point in time (we have a wave of 3 elementiumore reqest ahead of uss I think).
:unsure: pls don't eat me

lunares · August 20, 2006, 10:17:13 PM

The questline ends after you get the shards indeed but not without giving you a choice with 1 of the 4 swords/daggers. Which Tl linked in a previous post so you can look them up there.
you say you get a lot of 3 ores for the items from AQ40. When you think we will get there and how you thikn the droprate is. That droprate is about 1-3%. So how many would drop of those in a full clear Assuming we get the twin emps down soonish.

Lunares

Bastet · August 20, 2006, 10:42:29 PM

i would not see a problem with handing out elementium ore @ this time as long as there is a heafty DKP price, preferably on the AQ system, since that is afterall where the quest leads too.

Edit: Also checked the bouij thingy, theres 600-1000g of other stuff requried, before the quilify for the elementium they would be required to have. And the rewards at the end of the quest line are as good for a priest (if not better) then TF for a warrior

TeaLeaf · August 21, 2006, 10:03:21 AM

Just for info: Luna, Kreg and I already have already bought all the other mats required for the buoy part of the quest line.

Re your suggestion Bastet, I see no problem with paying a DKP cost for elementium ore, but I would suggest that if this is agreed that it be deducted from the source DKP table as this is how we currently treat lava/fiery cores etc. The ore drops in BWL so I believe it should be deducted from the BWL DKP table.

TL.

Padding · August 21, 2006, 10:15:33 AM

Im no so much concerned about the current level of ore, more like the people that will do the quest chain later (like me). Then we need a plan to accomodate all these people since all need a fair shot at the quest

How could we make that fair for all people?

TeaLeaf · August 21, 2006, 11:35:54 AM

How about by doing it in order - the order being hwo far they have reached in the quest already under their own steam. There is no way we can be fairer than that other than by obtaining 10 ore for each raid member 'just in case' they complete the quest line.

TL.

Ragnarh · August 21, 2006, 03:16:22 PM

Got another idea.
If we are going to hand out the mats the person has to have done the other parts and show the crystals Red and Green .Then there wil be no disscussions of who is the farthest only are you done (if we agre to hand out).
And if handouts are going to happen ,then there mut be 10 ore left in guild bank reserved for ouor might come one day THunderfury
(you no get ore if there no be 10m left when you got yours) lesser needs are prioritised (guy wanting 3 goes before guy wanting 10)

Bastet · August 21, 2006, 03:43:03 PM

prioritizing TF over this is stupid if you look at the end rewards, but i can agree in keeping 9-12 in reserve for AQ40 quests, and i can also agree in having to have the 2 other shards before you apply for this one.

Padding · August 21, 2006, 04:23:24 PM

Quoteprioritizing TF over this is stupid if you look at the end rewards, but i can agree in keeping 9-12 in reserve for AQ40 quests, and i can also agree in having to have the 2 other shards before you apply for this one.

I agree on all bastet says here, however should more people be at the same stage they should roll to see who can get it first, not officer priority. This being the specific quest at the specific stage, not the whole Scepter quest since its pretty hard to see who is actually where in the whole big quest

TeaLeaf · August 22, 2006, 08:16:22 AM

I actually think for such a huge quest line it is remarkably simple to see where people are and I still believe that you should be given priority the further down the quest line you are, just like we already do in ZG for the Madness drops.

The reason my belief in this is that the Red shard (the Nefarian drop) is remarkably easy to get the quest for. Therefore you could have quite a few people obtaining the quest and then rolling for the drop item when they might have done very little or none of the other quest lines.

The Blue shard line is one of the toughest and it has the most parts, it is also the one that requires you to spend a large amount of both time (about 2 days grinding) and gold to collect mats. If people get to that stage and completed the Chicken, the Googles and have got the easier pages from the Book line, then ok give them rolling rights, but to compare someone who just has the red shard quest with someone who has completed most of the rest of the multiple threads is more than a little unfair.

The result of an 'equal chance to roll' decision would be that potentially lots of people will decide to roll and few will ever bother to use the drop item to complete the book or the quest line, let alone know what the drop is for - all this would do is delay those serious about completing the quest line. This is similar to what we already see with the Head of Broodlord, many people roll, but how many of them actually knew what they were rolling for? Judging from their total lack of knowledge about the Sceptre quest line when speaking with them over the last few weeks I'd say that 90% of the people in our Guild with the Broodlord head do not know about the quest line but rolled for it anyway in a 'equal chance' roll: and that's an equal chance that is not fair to others imo.

TL.

Bastet · August 22, 2006, 08:47:02 AM

Summing up what i would like to see:

Ppl get rolling rights for the red scepter quest if they have the 4 pages you can get solo.
Ppl quilify for the elementium if they have all the mats, and the red and green scepter fragments, some 9-12 elementium will be held in reserve for the AQ40 weapons. TF will not be prioritized over the scepter completion.

Padding · August 22, 2006, 09:12:37 AM

If you can get the quest, then you are on the same line in that particular quest and you are eligble to roll. Thats my opinion.

TeaLeaf · August 22, 2006, 09:16:39 AM

Do you disagree on the ZG Madness approach that we currently employ then?

TL.