Trial Loot System Feedback

Yrthal · October 25, 2006, 12:31:03 PM

i dident want to turn the other post to a discussion post, but i got some comments. I know its Decided by the FM's, thats nice, but i think its also important to get everyone's opinion about it, and here is mine.!

- Why shouldent pllys get same prio as warrios as they can use the dps gear aswell?

I can see that i can get everything i ever wanted in MC just in one run due to priority. Thats nice, but not fair!
I know there are some dps pallys that want the same gear and do GOT more dkp, its mostly fair that they get it due to more dkp, they have earned it for a reason.

Just an example:

DPS gear... prio DPS warriors
Healing gear... prio Healadins

.... what do DPS pallys get? do they have to wait to be the LAST in line to get both healing and DPS gear?

Umbra · October 25, 2006, 12:40:29 PM

I can see it being useful, but as I posted before (move post if you want) they seem to have oversimplified the class specialisations e.g.

they just have priest - no healing/dps discrimination
warr, just tank and dps, fury dps kit is quite different from arms dps, or even dw fury different from 2h fury. (+to hit, then +crit, then AP are primary for dw fury)

no bad comment to officers, but the tables of priorities could do with some additions/tweaking

Nefertem · October 25, 2006, 12:50:30 PM

I think the main argument you can here from a warrior would be that Pallies don't use the DPS-gear for raid but only grinding and PvP.
I don't care anymore really.

Gotta say tho.. this has been discussed so many times by now, warriors vs. pailles, hunters vs. rogues, druids vs. rogues.. All of em and the end of the discussion seems to be non-excisting :doh:

Yrthal · October 25, 2006, 12:52:09 PM

Quote from: Nefertem;158792I think the main argument you can here from a warrior would be that Pallies don't use the DPS-gear for raid but only grinding and PvP.
I don't care anymore really.

Gotta say tho.. this has been discussed so many times by now, warriors vs. pailles, hunters vs. rogues, druids vs. rogues.. All of em and the end of the discussion seems to be non-excisting :doh:

You have a point

Padding · October 25, 2006, 12:54:50 PM

There should be the possibility to use a certain specc when in instances, and out of instances.... that would be KEWL

Yrthal · October 25, 2006, 12:57:03 PM

Quote from: Padding;158796There should be the possibility to use a certain specc when in instances, and out of instances.... that would be KEWL

Woot and such a think you'r asking from BLIZZARD?? the day that happens is the en of..... something..

Dajo · October 25, 2006, 12:58:29 PM

Quote from: Padding;158796There should be the possibility to use a certain specc when in instances, and out of instances.... that would be KEWL

It's called DPS warriors.

edit: Oh wait, you mean have 2 specs? switchables specs..yeah..that would like..make talents useless at all rly.. haha

Anyhow, as for DPS Paly's, afai can see, in the wowloot list, dps wars and paly's get usually the same ratings on dps items, so whats the problem?

Mjolner · October 25, 2006, 01:13:36 PM

Agree, Umbra.
But let's see how it works out. When one isn't first priority, it doesn't mean one won't get the item. Others may pass, or already posses it.

But, yeah, it is a bit tight..

DarkAngel · October 25, 2006, 01:19:30 PM

I can say one thing as a Marshall the talks of what job everyone will be doing will be longer. No you take ML no you, no you. Think i better make a addon for this otherwise this will just be hell.

Asheera · October 25, 2006, 02:13:27 PM

r u rly sure this site is good ? i saw items with + healing and mana regen classified good (4 stars) for a lock and we don't rly need mana regen or + healing tho, i also noticed that rings with +% to hit r good (still 4 stars) for healers ... i don't rly think a friendly target will try to resist a heal

Umbra · October 25, 2006, 02:16:57 PM

lol yep OA,
to be fair I think it's a case of squeaky wheel

out of a great many raids with 40 ppl or so in each, there aren't that many complaints with the old system.

this way might be better but if a peice of +to hit kit has low priority for dw fury (me), then whoever wrote the site hasn't investigated classes. It's good, but it has flaws

Edit: lol Asheera posted before me, it's pretty much what I said, might be worth grabbing the base info into a database/s.sheet and modifying it for reality

I bet priests get low prio on dmg and healing kit too

TeaLeaf · October 25, 2006, 03:58:35 PM

Quote from: Asheera;158842r u rly sure this site is good ? i saw items with + healing and mana regen classified good (4 stars) for a lock and we don't rly need mana regen or + healing tho, i also noticed that rings with +% to hit r good (still 4 stars) for healers ... i don't rly think a friendly target will try to resist a heal

And which classes had 5 stars for those items?

4 stars mean could use but others could use better.
5 stats means would get best use from.

Your example is more than a bit dodgy at best. It's a bit like me criticising the list for saying that a healing druid needs Jin'do's Bag of Whammies (I mean why on earth would a healing druid need +dam to spells?) because it gives a healing druid 4 stars for that item. The fact is that the healing druid is given 5 stars for better suited items, like Jin'do's Evil Eye and Jin'do's Hexxer.

The system is not going to be perfect, but don't criticise it before you understand it. Go find the examples of 5 star items you think are wrong and talk about those - they're the important ones. I know they'll be some out there to debate and it will be a sensible debate not a pointless one.

As for the ML role. I do not believe it will take significantly longer to use this system as few classes have dual roles and it therefore affects only a minority of the loot. Other than this it is still a 'highest DKP' system, so no change there.

TL.

Myanmar · October 25, 2006, 04:12:33 PM

So the Heavy Dark Iron Ring is better for a DPS Warrior than the Crown of Destruction? Drake Fang Talisman is better for a Rogue than a DPS Warrior? And thats just 2 examples for my class, there are countless more.

Sorry, but I think I know better what my class needs than this site. So imo, let's stick with highest dkp.

TeaLeaf · October 25, 2006, 04:18:28 PM

Nope, you're misreading the site. The site is NOT design to rank item to item, it is merely designed to look at a single item and then class to class. Nowhere does it say that the [item]Heavy Dark Iron ring[/item] is better for a DPS warrior than the [item]Crown of Destruction[/item].

So what it says for [item]Heavy Dark Iron ring[/item] is that it is better for a prot spec warrior or a feral druid than a DPS warrior.

For the [item]Crown of Destruction[/item] it clearly says that a Hunter has higher priority on it than you, but as a DPS warrior you would get second priority on it seeing as it is Mail.

Understand it better now?

TL.

Gallahan · October 26, 2006, 09:24:22 AM

Something is in fact very odd about that site, if u look at judgement belt it gives 4stars for loladins and 5stars for healadins. The funny thing about the judgement set is that the bonuses isnt +healing, its +healing and damage, and the last one is a big + for loladins. Might be a mistake though as its the only one i noticed that werent the same for both types.