Running from AQ40?

Soalra · November 02, 2006, 03:37:14 PM

Quote from: TeaLeaf;160628Recording attendance statistics is not the issue, that's a simple process. The difficulty is assessing when to act on the analysis of the data - and that's a job that is (a) subjective (someone will always think you are wrong and they are right) and (b) something that the Field Marshalls cannot hand over to anyone else.

TL.

ppl aint showing up on wipe nights, if its a recuring theme on these nights and good reasons aint being given isnt that when to act?

TeaLeaf · November 02, 2006, 06:02:37 PM

Yes if you're a ruthless bar steward who wants to have only 27 people for the next raid as you kicked the rest! :norty:

TL.

Soalra · November 02, 2006, 09:24:18 PM

your forgettin that we are gettin 27 ppl for the next raid already... kick a few n rest fall into line or just get a small backward step to regear new ppl that actually will show up

Luminance · November 02, 2006, 10:13:23 PM

harsh but i agree

Knabbel · November 03, 2006, 06:05:58 AM

Yes as I thought about it as well. Sure you can have two opinios but the stats don't lie about it. Sure you can be told that there were serveral reasons, but not showing up constantly without saying it ahead isn't much of an answer to me.

TeaLeaf · November 03, 2006, 08:09:09 AM

The theory is easy to agree with. However RG1 cleared through Huhuran last night (albeit with a couple of messy kills on Skeram & Sartura and a wipe on Huhuran), so I guess we'll see on Sunday what level of commitment is there.

TL.

Jorgen · November 03, 2006, 09:05:40 AM

One of the problems might be that ppl don't get any creds for actually beeing there and wipe to learn the encounter properly.

For example:
A full wipenight is 10 DKP, 2 for showing and 8 for 4 hours.
Yesterday was a total of 111 DKP for doing bosses that now is more or less on farmstatus.

Lets then say Person A is really hungering for the 2-h that drops from the twins and is attending at 5 wipenights and for example 2 other nights because of some issues that makes him unavailable for playing at the farm-nights.
This gives Person A a total of 270dkp

Now we got person B that can't be bothered with wipenights:
He's attending 5 farmraids and doesn't show for the wipenights, this gives him a total of 550dkp and probably a bigger chance of getting the 2-h when he knows that the raid have gotten em down to for example 20% and is capable to get em down the next raid.

But let's say that you for example gain 60 dkp extra on wipenights, Person A would have a total of 570 dkp and a bigger chance of actually getting the items he has been spending loads of repair/pot-golds on instead of the slacker that just bumps after the raid on the farmnights.

This is probably a suggestion that has been up before though

And yeah I'm at work, tired as a rabbit on a honeymoon but you get my point :narnar:

Bob · November 03, 2006, 10:06:41 AM

Quote from: Jorgen;160788This is probably a suggestion that has been up before though

Yes it is indeed, this is something we have debated maaany times before - if you browse a bit in some old posts, I'm shure you'll find quite much about it

To be honest, I really don't DKP is the most important issue here. One of the things that in my opinion could help with the progression, is that we don't run the specific instances on fixed days, but rotate them around a bit (aka. random raids), like we did yesterday when we started clearing AQ40 instead of BWL. This has two major advantages:

Firstly, you make it a bit harder for those (which I actually believe isn't that many, if anyone at all - I might be a bit credulous here, but that's just what I think) that don't like the whipe nights. They will most likely show up on Thursdays, cause they definetly don't want to miss the chance for a whole BWL clearance with lots of DKP and nice drops, which than leads to a full raid so that we can start clearing AQ40 instead. In general I think it's better to start clearing AQ40 on Thursdays, cause than we end up with two alternative days for the Twins, instead of just one if we do BWL instead.

Secondly, this way of doing it makes it a bit easier for those that have problems attending one specific day of the week (this includes me atm, since my RL situation has changed a bit, making it hard for me to make the Tuesday raids (something which I am in a dialog with the Officers about)). It makes the raid group a bit more adaptable if we don't depend of doing an instance on one specific, and that day only. And as yesterday's raid showed, this is something we're doing now - and that's a good thing if you ask me

TeaLeaf · November 03, 2006, 12:58:24 PM

And it's exactly that random nature of raid destinations people complain about, but it is one fo the few tools we have available to combat those with 'selective attendance'. It would be far simpler if people just showed up all the time.

TL.

Umbra · November 03, 2006, 02:14:12 PM

Just to assuage any fears pertaining to me: on Tues night I couldn't log on at all for several hours, it was only at 19:25 I think that the conenction seemed to stabilise, I think ntl were having huge difficulties, since I could not get past conencting often. If I got to the char screen then it would fail atthe loading screen, If by some chance it loaded I had lag of upto 16k ms then a disconnect. Of course I had asked on that evening to get a quest drop with rg2 from ony, and after all the kerfuffle I was ready for RG1 at about 19:50, typically this is about or before first boss pull. So I hope my lack of appearance earlier did not contribute to the calling of the raid.

It is possible that now and then there are alot of coincidental isp problems/work problems etc that happen to occur at the same time, but as peopel say, missing the 'learning' nights 3 weeks in a row isn't good.

Maybe it will vouch for my dedication that my suggestion as (as has been said before) not to go to BWL until we get consistent attendance at AQ. Since I completed my draconic book last night I'm quite sure I'll be high up on the lsit for getting the red shard from nefarian, but I'd rather wait on that if it means bringing people together.

Note: is it possible that with the current dkp/loot issues, that the disparity/animosity/comptetiveness between classes is causing people to feel less companionship within the group?

Luminance · November 03, 2006, 06:53:05 PM

with not doing bwl ur hurting alot of good atendees too

Dajo · November 03, 2006, 06:57:31 PM

Sword :sad:

Nefertem · November 04, 2006, 08:32:50 PM

Dajo if you don't get that sword soon, I suggest you sue Blizz for a couple of millions.. and the sword :nevermind:

opticalrush · November 04, 2006, 08:40:43 PM

Quote from: Jorgen;160788For example:
A full wipenight is 10 DKP, 2 for showing and 8 for 4 hours.
Yesterday was a total of 111 DKP for doing bosses that now is more or less on farmstatus.

Causing a wipe -50 DKP :lmfao:
I hope we get more experiance with instances really I attend all of them
But with my current job in rl is it getting harder and harder to stay till they end (real people need sleep to)
So I REALY hope we get a uber balanced raid and people that are up for wiping (on new bosses find our tactic)(buy pots for a boost make it hard for the boss to own us)

If we get a 100% fresh raid the progress will be there I know for sure

10.000 wipes in BWL we had now its on farm status so we make money in there do not drop it for a while

Nefertem · November 04, 2006, 08:44:31 PM

Quote from: opticalrush;161098Causing a wipe -50 DKP

lol.. no DKP for Sinap :roflmao: