Naxx 17.02.09 heroic

[JonnyAppleSeed]

On the up :yahoo:

http://wowwebstats.com/mg4si5zbkrqsg

[Arcticfire]

I <3 25 man 8-)

[Sithvid]

Another great run, shame about the last boss
R=+
L=-

[TeaLeaf]

Another great run, shame about the last boss
R=+
L=-

You forgot the "How to jump" instruction manual. :lmfao:

TL.

[TeaLeaf]

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Ok, here's some analysis of the Thaddius fight from last night.  

DPS
Firstly, Thaddius has 30m HP in 25 man and needs to be killed in 6 minutes, so you need to reach 83.3k dps, our best last night was 57.0k dps.  So we need to work out how to improve our own personal dps.  Check the WWS logs and you'll see lots of useful hints!  Compare yourself to the others in your class doing a similar role, ask yourself if you were fully potted/flasked and then work out why you died early if you did.  Check your DPS time (is it lower than others, if so why?), look at your choice of attacks/spells (is it different, if so why?) and feed back to others in your class.  If you do not have enough to compare with then look at the logs of your class from this WWS log from another guild to help analyse shot rotation etc.  In P2 on Thaddius you need less healers (as nobody is takign huge damage right!), so when healing is slack or if you have already assigned better AOE healers to do the healing then surplus healers should be doing DPS!

Negative/Positive Charge Damage
Here's one of the primary problems, we are killing ourselves!  The below is a table of damage done to other raid members by people during our 4 tries.  When reading the table, remember that if *you* are in the wrong position then you will damage another person(s) and they will damage you as you are in their proximity - so both will show damage being done, but it might have been only one person at fault, not both.  Also remember we had one wipe call in there so some damage has to be ignored and that some people who have showed very little damage might be because they died at the start of each attempt!

Merkwin   454792
Dragonreborn   267142
Rune Weapon (Necrojelly)   195920
Regret   184215
Garrit   183538
Sheepeze   179039
Kracau   176860
Evoxer   141572
Améthyst   137325
Necrojelly   134329
Plìght   123699
Psixo   121875
Dreaman   121660
Spaceinvader   118957
Hiinata   113316
Wynford   107154
Jas   103332
Sithysithvid   97946
Teaele   89604
Marduk   86051
Limpsy   82664
Maldaror   77277
Lunares   63012
Wrathyr   55528
Vanguish   38761
Mzltof   36404
The Rune Weapon is believed to be a current bug although this is unconfirmed.  At the last patch Rune Weapon started absorbing a charge at Thaddius and can also take PoM hops on healing etc.  On its own this amount of damage is healable, but it might be worth considering dropping DKs for this fight for the timebeing.  That being said, I looked at the last Elysium log and there is no Rune Weapon damage in the log at all despite a DK tanking Thaddius on that night, so it might be an intermittent problem or talent build dependent?

Tank & melee movement
This is a tricky fight for tanks & melee in particular so here's what needs to happen.  Tanks & melee need to move in different ways depending on the nature of the polarity shift.  In 25 man there is less room and far mor epotential for error, so this is how to move:

During same Charge:  tank stands perfectly in line with their charge group and melee stand on them too.  You need to stand max range on the hit box to allow ranged at back to also be in your buff stack.  This maximises buff stack counts & therefore dps.

Polarity shift: no change: tank/melee have to swing in an arc to the right by about 30-40 degrees for about 3 seconds and then to return to the in-line position.  When a polarity charge occurs the timing should feel like you saying:  "move one thousand/hold one thousand/hold one thousand/return".  This moves the most dangerously positioned people (tank & melee) away from those whose chanrge has just changed, away from anyone cutting corners and towards those with the newly charged same polarity buff incoming from your  right.

Polarity shift: polarity change: tank/melee need to move left rapidly to gain width and distance from the polarity group they are leaving, then transition on an arc into the new group and take up position in-line with the group at max range on the hit box.  

If melee & tanks move like this then the above damage done figures will reduce substantially.

Ranged Movement piccie
Firstly, ranged have to bunch up behind melee but close enough to get a combined buff stack.  It is not good for you to stand out at one side so you can 'get a better view of the fight'!
IGNORE the direction of movement in the below picture as DMR runs the OPPOSITE way, so reverse the flow as DMR runs clockwise, howwever the diagram does show the initial movement SIDEWAYS and away from the raid before moving forwards and to the other side.


THADDIUS PRIME DIRECTIVE:  Nobody moves through the area inside the red arrows.  Nobody.  Not even the tank or melee.  Move properly and you will not damage other people.

If we do all of the above, we are pretty much there on DPS.  The fight is 6 mnutes long which allows 2 heroisms, one just after the first polarity charge, the 2nd in the last minute of the fight.  Combine the movement, the dps changes, the potting/flasking, add some healer dps and some dead people who now live through the fight then you have your magic 83.3k dps and a new boss kill.

Hope this helps.

TL.

[Gandalf]

Dancing Rune Weapon is a talent so it is not essential for me to pop it, but it is a chunk of DPS (it is a cooldown so can only pop twice in the fight) so for this fight I'd be better not using it and concentrating on Runic Power dump spells instead.

[Sithvid]

Thanks for that I will research my DPS in more depth.

 1 question if you cannot make the jump, as was the problem for some last night. Can you DPS/ Heal from the platform?  no buffs etc but better than running around in the sludge. I have seen it done but not in 25 Man.

[Azunai]

Remember we had one try where we purposefully wiped everyone up so those numbers carry some overdose =) Still, quite a useful wall of text (as that it is indeed

[TeaLeaf]

You can dps from the platform, but, you fail to give the buff stack to the raid which in all probability means a wipe at enrage.  The trick to the jump is simply not to jump until you are int he middle of the curb/ledge around the edge of the platform and to remember to jump in a straight line (shortest distance between the two points) not on an angle.  Mage's can give slow fall and priests levitate etc, Space mentioned aspect can help too, but it is a jump that is straight forward and possible without any buffs for it.

TL.

[Azunai]

Imagine it like this detailed schematical overview:

[burmyhermy]

rolf harris eat your heart out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :roflmao:

[Sithvid]

rolf harris eat your heart out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :roflmao:

Looks like Burmy pushed Evo