Any issues?

[Tirkad]

But in hindsight this is a game that WE play and WE can play the way that we want too, do we all really want to be exactly the same as any other (in your case) Feral kittycat as every other player, some people need their uniqueness

Ey, even me, i woulda gone holy if i had been forced into it, but chose disc because i love the spec and its what I wanted to play

If that's what you all get from my post, i really need to improve my english... :narnar:
In your case jim, you know that we (or at least me) want you as you are, becouse you know that when you're not around, we have to make someone else take your disc priest job, and you're the one that enjoys it most sos far.
About the minmax, i really don't think this is a guild where you HAVE to stick to a particular spec just becouse it's commonly thought the best one, i've seen we have a lot of freedom in the spec, as long as we bring the raid a reasonable contribution. Becouse i think that's what we're talking about: end game raiding. If you have to play a spec you don't like just to squeeze 50 or 100 more dps, i'm the first who says that's stupid, but if you can improve your contribution by a large amount, and since you play with other 24 people who put quite some time and effort to make the raid succeed, not only during the raids, but during the whole week to make their char up to it (farming golds/mats for flask, gems, gear, enchants, and so on), it's at least worth a try.

[Grimnar]

Well now i will clear my head.. As today things just became to much to stay quiet. Yes this happend before and is still going on....
 
What i am going to say doesn't count for the raiders that are always there and always have there stuff sorted. But there are a few among us that really should freaking wake up!
 
What happend today (and happend a few times aswell in the past, with also the same people) was that we had people missing in the raid. Happens from time to time, some come a bit late etc. But that aint the problem.
We have people that prefer to play an ALT when there is an raid and they are a raiding member. It is really like: Guild plz go on a wipefest or call the raid i stay on my alt.......  Or that they wanna bring in their alt into the raid. And give a nice little excuse that his/her main aint raid ready atm. (srry.. your main not raid ready but your alt is???) today we where given the excuse not the gear needed, no money for repairs and i think there where a few more...
 
Money aint a freaking problem 30mins of just doing daily q's gets you enough gold to repair a full wipefest and buy your food/flasks that are all needed.
 
Then the reason about his/her gear.. The main toon has full naxx 25 gear and has been in Uldu a couple of times... the alt in this matter of today has only seen a few heroics... is it me or am i missing something that heroics has uber uber gear??
 
There are a few members incl. myself that would love to bring in our alts but we won't as our Mains are needed, they are geared for raiding etc. etc.
 
Raiding is a team game we all expect that we do our best for the guild.
But what happend here was just not normal....
 
 
I had a few more things to say, but lost that thnx to the big kill...
and maybe i should say some things a bit different but i think i kept it nice.. and i think most will get the point on what i was pointing at.

[Sithvid]

Its all constructive criticism, cos if we didnt give a crap we wouldnt bother posting.

i had my best fight with the slag pot guy and his buddies ever, but know my DPS was crap, so turned off my recount.... :yahoo: i should stop here....


I agree with Ice on pots n stuff however if someone forgets or has no $Ã,£$Ã,£  then I think we should accomodate them as we all carry a few more.

If someone is spinning Bull S@?! about their Main being injured/missing in action/all their gear stolen by the pink panther etc etc etc etc  yes 4 etc, then their attitude is at best insular, at worst not really in line with dMw values. Further it treats the intelligence of others with contempt.
If you really want to change your alt to main etc then pre raid is not the best time as you effectively hold the whole raid to ransom.
btw always happy to boost .........

[kregoron]

Well, i think this discussion is misdirected now. Idea of TL post was (in my opinion) to show us, that combat log is very useful in many ways. It was example what we can see after 2 mins checking that. Unfortunatelly we start to argue around, instead of go to this log and try to check what we can discover there to improve.

Anyway, my input here is about to agree with Ducky arguments atm. I feel we are miss some understanding "casual raiding" rules. Casual raiding still needs everybody work and effort. It means we need to be on time, prepared, with knowledge of tactics (videos available on website are 5-8 mins long).
I understand it as respect to others. Some ppl (like me) value those 3 hours 2-3 times a week very much, so would like to see everybody else do so as well

Anyway, we do good work, and lets keep it!

Spot on! All of it!

[Lola]

Hi me again!

I think everyone has valid points on thing s and I really think this whole conversation has made us all step back and think what can we change/do better and last nite we proved we can do it.

So listening to what was said previously about promoting positivity, I would like to say about last nite's raid and specifically on Hodir:

Sithy & Ame - thanks for the fishies
Jim - thanks for the dispelling
Icy - thanks for the innervate
All officers - thanks for answering my questions about the frost gear on hodir and to Dillinja for testing out a piece of frost resi gear on one attempt and providing feedback.
Limpsy - for keeping me on my toes!
Tanks - for awesome spanking
DPS - for pumping it out
Healy's - for doing your thang and doing it well
And to you all we really made the extra extra effort on downing Hodir so I /salute you

Finally, I'd like to thank god, my manager/PR and my mum, in that order.

Lola <3

[evoxer]

Positive encouragement.

As healing officer i make two targets:

• I will always always  thank all of my healers for a good nights work ( assuming there in dmrhealz and staythere long enough to read it )
• If i see anything i think people can improve on i will tell them.

With regard to this im not sure if theres a dmrtankz or a dmrdps for specific roles in the raid, but my undestanding is that 99% of the time i always hear a well done and a thankyou echo'd from a officer on TS or in raid chat at the end of a raid.

And on the second point, i will tell you, as ive said to many people in the past i do not intend to offend you and am not trying to tell you how to play your class. I am merely offering advice that ive found by going through the logs, reading elitistjerks etc whether or not you choose to take it is your decision, but i make these recomendations as I understand that people have busy lives and perhaps dont have the time to spend countless hours on EJ like others do.

Evo x

[Sithvid]

I undertand that the 2 groups were saved to Ulduar and that it made perfect sense to carry with the 10 ghoulies and zombies, and good luck.
Obviously I (and few others maybe) would like to have joined but appreciate we will all need to sit out a few now the guild is growing, WE have come a far way since the dark days when there was no SOG from dMw and just me and Sheep.
Could we perhaps put people (not Toons) out of their misery waiting for a nod or a wink as soon as possible. Did I miss it ? it seemed like a few went off line and that was my nod that I wasn't in. Guild chat and TS could be utilised for this. I try not to whisper the raid leaders as they have enough hassle. :taz:
Also please refrain from making statements
"those that are not in tonight (Last Thursday) will definately be in on Sunday,"  when this doesnt transpire on Sunday ..... then doesn't transpire on the Tuesday either, you think you must have given people bad fish.
Please take this message as it is intended i.e. constructive criticism...
and for the people reading this in the future... in a few weeks time having missed a couple of raids, its not personal it happened to me..unless its me reading this and ive missed a month or so......  :doh:

[sheepy]

nice ramblings sithy.

yup we do need to put in to guild chat a message that says raids grp / raid grps full, please hang around if you can incase of any replacements needed

[DannagE]

Im sure there will soon be enough for 3 x 10man raids going through at the same time ghouls/zombies/ninja's?

Im out of the game for 2 weeks of every month whilst im on nights/afters. 9-6am and 1pm-9pm. No good

[Jim]

For those of you that were aware i got frustrated tonight and took it out on Zahrah and Lola in the healing channel which caused lola to be upset and then swapping out with baylien....

Obviously everyone loses their cool occasionally and im not normally one to have that happen so i would first of all like to apologise to Lola and Zahrah, and the officers, especially Necrojelly, Baylien and Evoxer who were there at the time, and then for the other officers that were later involved...

I have whispered the officers and the people involved, explaining what happened and hope its all cleared up

Well, Chow, Jim

[sheepy]

Thank you for you comments jim, it takes guts to stand up and say when you think you were out of line (god knows ive done it and apologised for it in the past). Im sure that your apology will be noted by those concerned.

But i would like to take the oportunity to remind EVERYONE that we are as much a community as a guild, a hurtfull comment to one can hurt all, thus I personally am thankfull for you comments jim. We have to function as a team, and i know this is difficult from time to time, please be constructive not destructive.

[Tirkad]

Im sure there will soon be enough for 3 x 10man raids going through at the same time ghouls/zombies/ninja's?

I'm for Ghouls/Zombies/Skeletons =P

[Sithvid]

Skeletons seems fitting

[valdeko]

Nah, Corpses more fitting

[Lola]

For those of you that were aware i got frustrated tonight and took it out on Zahrah and Lola in the healing channel which caused lola to be upset and then swapping out with baylien....

Obviously everyone loses their cool occasionally and im not normally one to have that happen so i would first of all like to apologise to Lola and Zahrah, and the officers, especially Necrojelly, Baylien and Evoxer who were there at the time, and then for the other officers that were later involved...

I have whispered the officers and the people involved, explaining what happened and hope its all cleared up

Well, Chow, Jim

On my part I was feeling ill and delicate and just couldn't deal with it all and Baylien kindly took my place - had it been a different day I prob woulda just given Jim the finger and called him a c*ck (in joke with me and Jim, only he will geddit). Anyway we all have off days and Jim and I have resolved it and it's all forgotten about (and for those who think women can't do that you are wrong )

:byebye: