HEROIC Madness of Deathwing - DEFEATED 29/05/12

[TeaLeaf]

http://www.icy-veins.com/madness-of-deathwing-detailed-strategy
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1026789-Madness-of-Deathwing-Strategy-Loot-Discussions

Tank strategy
http://www.icy-veins.com/madness-of-deathwing-tank-strategy
http://sunnierbear.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/heroic-madness-of-deathwing-10-tanking.html

Healer strategy
http://www.icy-veins.com/madness-of-deathwing-healer-strategy

DPS strategy
http://www.icy-veins.com/madness-of-deathwing-dps-strategy

[TeaLeaf]

Bump for the final Heroic encounter of Cataclysm as HC Spine is due to go down real soon!

[Siffredi]

Seems easy enough :-)

[TeaLeaf]

There's a lot going on here, so make sure you are up to speed on this as we might well be staring this fight in the face on Sunday.

[Ranualf]

i found the vox one pretty straightforward, and a decent vid angle too!

once he got down to explaining what things did...

[Whitey]

I've been doing a lot of reading on single tanking this from a Prot Paladins perspective and have come up with a couple of macros to help with impale:

Dream CD

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#showtooltip Dream
/click ExtraActionButton1
/console Sound_EnableSFX 0
/cast Divine Protection
/cast Holy Shield
/use 10
/console Sound_EnableSFX 1

CD1

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#showtooltip Guardian of Ancient Kings
/cast Guardian of Ancient Kings
/console Sound_EnableSFX 0
/cast Divine Protection
/cast Holy Shield
/use 10
/console Sound_EnableSFX 1
CD2

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#showtooltip Ardent Defender
/cast Ardent Defender
/console Sound_EnableSFX 0
/cast Divine Protection
/cast Holy Shield
/use 10
/console Sound_EnableSFX 1
The starting plan for Impale is to use the Dream CD on platform 1, CD1 on Platforms 2 and 4 and CD2 on platform 3.
I will probably need a PS from priest or a HoS from pally as well as CD2 on platform 3.

Notes:
"/use 10" is my armour CD on gloves.
I looked at http://www.wowhead.com/item=68996/stay-of-execution as suggested in one post on mmo-champion but I think the extra health and dodge from my current trinkets will be better on the whole for the fight.
Rally Cry from Torgen could be used as well during impale.

Any comments/suggestions are welcome.

[TeaLeaf]

OT: For Miicroid's interest, Paradoxx killed Spine for a second time last night too, so they are neck and neck with us on this fight.

Great start on this fight getting to Platform 3 already where mistakes stopped us progressing further.

KEYS:
-4 dps to platform 4 until tentacle spawn
-disciplined semi-circle positioning (shadow priest tentacle side, then melee, then ranged)
-drop first Corrupting Parasite within 6yds of Tentacle for spellweave in gap between tentacle and ranged
-for 2nd Impale, start moving out of melee range at 8 seconds left on Impale CD for shadow priest to soak
-must kill tentacle before second corrupting parasite
-off-tank bloods until second corrupting parasite
-drop 2nd corrupting parasite to right of claw, but MUST be within 6yds for spellweave, drag bloods to parasite & AOE down

Healer notes:
-Corrupting parasite does an increasing DOT to the targeted player.   First 5 seconds the damage is lower, but the last 5 seconds will need healing!
-Tank CDs, both decent tries we lost a tank on Platform 3, so let's ensure we have sorted our CDs out and the tank is FULLY topped off before impale and with appropriate mitigations & CDs to survive it please.

An encouraging start, but let's remember that this is the easy bit.  We need to get through platform 4 and into Phase 2 to have the real fun.

[TeaLeaf]

Progress again last night, we're now into Phase 2. :thumbsup:

Key points:

There's a tight DPS schedule to follow:

-Claw
-immediate switch to Tentacle when it spawns
-immediate switch to first Parasite by Claw when it spawns
-when 'MOVE OUT' called burn the Bolt (it is coming in at the same time)
-TL dispersion immediately at end of Impale CD, do not wait for cast (Impale regularly hits 2 seconds before end of cast)
-ignore bloods when they spawn
-MUST finish Tentacle before second parasite spawns
-(on3rd & 4th platforms) do NOT push Claw below 70% before Bloods/Parasite are dead
-immediate switch to second parasite by Claw when it spawns
-MT drag Bloods over Parasite ASAP to be AOE'd with Parasite by Claw
-push Claw below 70%

In Phase 2:
Need to ensure slows are quick and entire raid switches to them ASAP.   Delays will mean adds not dealt with properly.  They spawn at 15%, 10%, 5%.
Need to watch boss HP, we need to burn quickly past 15%, 10% or 5% to ensure that we do not accidentally heal boss back up beyond that marker with unkilled adds.  
Should assign someone to watch & call this spawn CD.


Otherwise a great night, we're in Phase 2, so let's go get the kill this reset

[microid]

-when 'MOVE OUT' called burn the Tendon (it is coming in at the same time)

i really hope you mean the BOLT otherwise im confused =)

if my frostshock does work on the last bloods i can slow down one of them. (if someone gets away from leggs slow)
and you forgot the paradoxx OT on second post =)

[TeaLeaf]

-when 'MOVE OUT' called burn the Tendon (it is coming in at the same time)

i really hope you mean the BOLT otherwise im confused =)

Yes I meant BOLT, sorry!  Still got HC Spine on the brain!


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[TeaLeaf]

Quick notes:

Raid Composition
1 tank
3 healers
6 dps

1 person to soak the 2nd impale (we used shadow priest but a cauterise would work too) - this person must be out of melee range!

Spellweave
Learn to love it.   Find out which spell/melee ability of yours triggers it most, it adds huge damage.
Note: Corrupted Parasite MUST be within 6yds of claw or the claw is out of range of Spellweave damage.

Phase 2
Key is stopping at 16%, 11% and 6%.   Deal with Terrors/Fragments and only then push under 15%/10%/5% to trigger the new heroic only adds. (spellweave > all for this part).  


Fight is basically very similar to normal mode.   Corrupted parasites are easy to deal with and do not complicate matters that much at all.   The only slightly tricky bit was working out the break points for Phase 2.  Any other delays experienced were entirely our own fault and nothing to do with learning the fight.

General consensus was:

HC Madness is about as hard as HC Hagara
Most random fight in DS is still HC Warmaster
Hardest fight in DS is still HC Spine

GAME OVER.

[Azunai]

Specced into Blood and Thunder to spread Rend on the heroic adds. Should help with spellweave procs.

[TeaLeaf]

If you're not sure which ability it is, just go the the kill from last night (or a kill from any other guild with your class/spec in the group) and use the Log Query function, then add 2 queries by using the PASTE option to paste in the below code (replace 'yourname' with your toon's name or the name of the toon you are studying):

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[{"eventTypes": [6], "actorNames": ["yourname"]}, {"spellNames": ["Spellweave"], "sourceNames": ["yourname"]}]
Remove the original query that is there by default & then hit Run.  

This will show you which abilities you used just before Spellweave proc'd, thus identifying which spell you need to use.  For example, using those queries my log extract looks like this:

[21:38:07.937] Teaell casts Mind Sear on Whytee
[21:38:09.024] Teaell casts Mind Sear
[21:38:09.826] Teaell casts Mind Sear
[21:38:10.141] Teaell Spellweave Regenerative Blood 21411
[21:38:10.141] Teaell Spellweave Regenerative Blood 21114
[21:38:10.141] Teaell Spellweave Arm Tentacle 22029
[21:38:10.141] Teaell Spellweave Corrupting Parasite 21073
[21:38:10.141] Teaell Spellweave Regenerative Blood 21447
[21:38:10.141] Teaell Spellweave Regenerative Blood 21898
[21:38:10.141] Teaell Spellweave Regenerative Blood 21306
[21:38:10.168] Teaell Spellweave Regenerative Blood 20374
[21:38:10.168] Teaell Spellweave Regenerative Blood 21263
[21:38:10.168] Teaell Spellweave Arm Tentacle 21754
[21:38:10.168] Teaell Spellweave Regenerative Blood 21852
[21:38:10.168] Teaell Spellweave Corrupting Parasite 21100
[21:38:10.168] Teaell Spellweave Regenerative Blood 21516
[21:38:10.168] Teaell Spellweave Regenerative Blood 21365
[21:38:10.228] Teaell casts Mind Sear
[21:38:10.994] Teaell Spellweave Regenerative Blood 19702
[21:38:10.994] Teaell Spellweave Regenerative Blood 22034
[21:38:10.994] Teaell Spellweave Regenerative Blood 21712
[21:38:10.994] Teaell Spellweave Regenerative Blood 21905
[21:38:10.994] Teaell Spellweave Arm Tentacle 21871
[21:38:10.994] Teaell Spellweave Corrupting Parasite 22083
[21:38:10.994] Teaell Spellweave Regenerative Blood 21368
[21:38:11.021] Teaell Spellweave Regenerative Blood 19579
[21:38:11.021] Teaell Spellweave Arm Tentacle 21997
[21:38:11.021] Teaell Spellweave Corrupting Parasite 21613
[21:38:11.021] Teaell Spellweave Regenerative Blood 21737
[21:38:11.021] Teaell Spellweave Regenerative Blood 21317
[21:38:11.021] Teaell Spellweave Regenerative Blood 21899
[21:38:11.021] Teaell Spellweave Regenerative Blood 21960

[Ranualf]

from the healer point of view, our hardest platform weirdly was no.3
As we are taking higher ticks, and if one of us healers gets the octopus debuff, LOOK AFTER YOURSELF, as on some of the tries when this happens, all hell breaks loose trying to heal others, and keep yourself alive !

last phase was pretty much standard heal, heal, heal like mad, although with a single tank, on the 2nd round of terrors, the tank is going to get stomped on, and maybe die (sorry whitey), once the adds are down, NUKE, just go for it, the missus said it so well, "i turned around, and saw you on the last bit, and the boss was at 4%, and thought, yep they gonna do it!"
turns out, her prediction was correct !

TY all for being there, and laughing at my imba wipe pull of death for the raid.. click, lifegrip....brain says- F*CK, wipe... "amber!!!"... opps... unbinds key...
Err.. yea, note to self, do not life grip your target, with the octopus debuff... its bad, VERY BAD !

once again, an amazing kill, TY all.

[TeaLeaf]

Whilst it was great to get a single night clearance of all 8 Heroic bosses on Thursday, I'm still not happy with the way we deal with the last bit of Phase 2 and I think we can tidy it up a bunch and make it far less prone to the 'last man standing' problem.  So I went back through the Fraps and found that I cocked up.  That's the problem with not going back to a boss for so long, you forget the right tactics. :blush:  

So here's a recap of where I think we need to improve and a reminder for me of what we *should* be doing in Phase 2!

Fragments:
These hit like a MAC truck especially when we're into the last 5% and the damage is leveraged up.   The key is to ensure they are only allowed ONE cast.  I think we need to prio them whenever they spawn.  We lost 6 out of 10 people to Shrapnel for this reason, we allowed a second cast.  Imo 3rd set of Fragments need killing - it's easier to offtank the 3rd set of Terrors and kill the boss when 6 additional DPS & Healers are still alive. (the below suggested timeline for Phase 2 includes this)

Dream
If you do not get targeted for Shrapnel then USE Dream for the 15%/10%/5% transition.  It will be off CD before the next set of Fragments spawn.  This can save a ton of healing at the 5% mark.

Healing & Raidwalls
Each time we go through 15%, 10% or 5% we get a burst of AOE damage.  At 15% it doesn't hurt too much, but the 5% one does 40k+ fire damage to the raid every 2 seconds so we need to make sure we have Fire Aura up, raidwalls scheduled and AOE healing a plenty.

For the Forgetful Raid Leader: Phase 2 Timeline & Priorities
(Fragments every 90 seconds)

Some DPS on boss, but boss remains >16%
Fragments spawn, kill before second cast
Terrors spawn, drag into Time Zone and tank
Burn boss to below 15% and trigger Bloods
Drag Terrors into Bloods, kill all with snares/spellweave

Burn Boss below 10%, kill bloods, 5 sec later Fragments spawn
Kill Fragments
New Terrors spawn, move to Time Zone again-}
Burn boss to 5% and trigger new Bloods------} CDs on MT needed for this phase
Drag Terrors to bloods and kill all--------------}
Then burn boss (circa 40 seconds until next Fragments)
Boss dead before next Fragments spawn