RG2 MC Monday - Thursday ???

[Zabard]

Of course we had a few hickups, but most of the reason for the setback yesterday can be put down to having to "break in" our new RL and a few newish members. All in all, I think we did good. Don't think it'll be too long till we're back on track, and downs Raggy in one night.

[Sandrion]

I wasn't referring to yesterday. Yes, we didn't clear MC in one night, but that is understandable under the curcumstances. We will no doubt be back were we where in a couple of weeks, after the new members and raidleader get more experienced.
 
I was there on Monday as well and the exact same 'problems' occured.

[Knabbel]

RG2 needs a steady group of people showing up......and some listening skills. As I know for myself when I started raiding with SoG I was so focus doing the best I can I wasn't looking at chats because I was to pre-occupied....the experience taught me to do more now.....

RG2 needs MC runs anyway for good epic items....

See you all on monday, and OneAngel I'm there to hook up with you.

[KreuZ]

Imo you should base it on the time you have left, aim high on Thursday and try and clear MC fast, if you actually manage it you could try doing OL after that but that will probably take abit of time before you're able to do it.

Then on Monday you'll do what's left, then go to BWL and start learning. It's pointless to call early just because you don't want to go somewhere yet, try to go on and learn as much of the encounters as possible. :tongue:

[Sheperdbook]

Heya all.

I think most of you know my sentiments about this whole saga. But for the duty of this thread I should go over a few points. So here are my thoughts:

RG2 does need to improve, but we should look at how RG1 initially improved (I was there, so I don't need a patronising lecture), now we do have the ability to clear MC in one night (this is a fact) we should be trying our hands at something else the other night and gaining more experience in working as a group. RG2 needs to **** its pants a few times and have a few wipes too, it's all part of the learning process.

Now I don't care if this is BWL, AQ (20 or 40), ZG, OL or if we're just laughing about - Nax, but I think the other night shouldn't be MC (which is a stupid waste of time - especially as we can't train ppl to loot dawgs the 2nd night as the dawgs won't be there). I personally think we should do OL and then AQ afterwards on the 2nd night, then ppl have the choice whether to stick around or dash off if necessary, it also compensates for the fact that RG2 members can't do AQ on Mondays (I have a grudge about this BIG time, atleast prioritise RG2 members on Saturday evenings).

Also going back to how we trained ppl in the beginning I think we need to start kicking idiots every once so often (say anyone who persistently over aggros etc), done once or twice people will quickly learn (most of the wipes were due to stupid aggro, only 1 was a bad pull - I wanted to scream as I saw Pax surge forward lol). Leaders need to be more authorative in the raid too, though they should be somewhat realistic (moaning at me because I can't cleanse more than 3 groups (which I did do) as I had 1 of my party members not running away when they were the bomb at Baron Geddon was a tad unfair (I had to heal up myself and group too), especially as nothing at all was said to the 'bomber' - well save me reminding them that it'd be a good idea to run away next time).

Also there should be emphasis on members getting equipment ready for those other instances, though some are intelligent (like me! *ego moment* - bought my frost rings donkeys' years ago, prob get to Nax in about the same time lol). I've heard nothing of ppl suggesting to RG2 members that they get shadow equipment for BWL (it might be a few months away - but it does give plenty of time for us to collect non-raid items).

I am really vvvvvv tired of the MC only diet (I've spent 170hrs in there), also I'm a little tired of these authorative answers outside raids, I do genuinely wish to help out but I feel totally cut off as if I'm some little child in Africa being favoured by Gift Aid So we need to get raid members more involved (I learnt half of my skills having bets with other RG1 members on what would and wouldn't work).

OR if you want to get truly serious, we do this properly, have a briefing session at the start and go through what we need to do and then have a debriefing session at the end (leader says what he likes, no other discussions - these can be gone through after raid in a chat channel seperate to guild).

Anyways pls avoid flaming me, I'll probably only *antagonise* you back!  


Sheperdbook
The Holy Pally who's more bored than Ragnaros is of MC

[Greatdanes]

Originally Posted by Sheperdbook:
I am really vvvvvv tired of the MC only diet (I've spent 170hrs in there),

RG2 has max being there 80-85 hour in the last 18 runs and you have only participant in 2 of these raids.
 
Maybe you have done MC elsewhere but that RG2 can't benfit of that, so you maybe need to get you attendance in RG2 up first.
A good team needs all the players to be there!!!!
 

Originally Posted by Knabbel:
RG2 needs a steady group of people showing up

Jep we do and that's not happing at the moment - we do have about 20-25 people with high attendance, 10-15 with low attendance and must use soldier everytime - that's not there way to make a steady raidgroup.
 
As the situation is in RG2 atm, we will not be able to raid BWL, AQ40 or instance like this before we get better attendance, gear, general raid focus ect.
As Marshal's we can't do anything about this - only encourage people to come online on raid evenings and participant in our raids.
And when you do, listen to the raidleader, listen to you classleader, do as told and do you best.
This is just like a football team, we need all the player to come to training to become a good team and to could make a promotion to a higher division. Without practice no progress!!

[Bastet]

RG2 has max being there 80-85 hour in the last 18 runs and you have only participant in 2 of these raids.
 
Maybe you have done MC elsewhere but that RG2 can't benfit of that, so you maybe need to get you attendance in RG2 up first.
A good team needs all the players to be there!!!

He was raiding long before there was a RG2, and btw shep, most of us officers did over 350 hours of MC now :tongue: so consider yourselfs lucky

[Sheperdbook]

Hehe Bastet I know, I did go through the bother of checking that up :happy:

The main thing that I think RG2 needs though is some diversity in it's diet!

And between you and me Bastet not everyone in RG1 is an Officer who has done 350hrs lol. Though for the books I ain't disputing the fact that I'm in RG2 these days, I fully understand why and agree with the reasons.

It's just I really really want to do something other than MC!! :taz:


Sheperdbook
The Old Timer who plays a few weeks every 3 months :tongue:

[Sheperdbook]

I had another little idea, as we've got new people constantly joing RG2 (or atleast it so seems) I'd like to suggest making an info pack containing some reasonably light but informative reading on raiding in MC which can be e-mailed out to them (navigating the forums the first few times and learning what's where can take a little while, so I think this would be a good idea seeing we now have some expertise). If the Raid Leaders have a spare 10mins they could even compile their top 10 tips for each class .

We could also compile a list of items that members could get without having to set foot in a 40 man instance but that would be useful nonetheless.

Oh and Greatdanes for the books, I've been to quite a few more than 2 RG2 raids, (I was around helping when it was first setup, strange really I'm always around for the setting up stages but never for the farming stages).

Oh I'd like to discuss an issue regarding promotions from RG2 to RG1 with an Officer (RG2 can't handle RG1 pilfering all it's good raiders in the long run :tongue:).


Sheperdbook
Let's make RG2 a better place for all!

[Greatdanes]

To Sheperdbook: We have only monitoring the last 18 raids and there you name only occurrence twice that's in my opinion not many times.

[Sheperdbook]

Hey, cool down :happy:.

I got an e-mail asking me show up, so I did, I really don't see the problem. Anyway let's draw a line under this, it's really very silly.


Sheperdbook

[Luminance]

Oh man! i think i had never readed something more CONSTRUCTIVE in my whole live!!!!! Really! Astonishing! Superb! Outstanding!
 
Next time i see you in WoW i will fell to my knees and lick your boots, my almighty Field Marshall! :doh:

shut up :learn: :narnar:

Ur suposed to fall on ur knees for me, or i'll cut uhm in 2 with my daggers :norty:

[Siffredi]

Hey Shep,
 
Just to give you my opinion of what to do on 2. raidnight when we clear MC everytime on thursdays!
 
Ofc. we cannot sit around doing nothing mondays, and therefore Marshals will discuss what to do on the other night when we have cleared MC. Ofc OL will be obvious to do because great headpieces and its quick and after that well see what we are going to do. So dont you worry we will go further than MC, but we need steady att. to go into BWL, and ppl are after the new att. rules req. to show up and support, and this will lead us to Razorgore.
 
So dont you worry Shep, we will give you more than MC

[Sheperdbook]

Sorry for writing a really long post that may have confused some, but it was never my opinion to go into BWL just yet, what I suggested was something along the lines of OL followed by a 20 man instance (2 groups if necessary) on the other night. I'm an oldie so this suits me very nicely as I haven't really done much ZG or AQ, obviously the opinions of others will need to be guaged but it's a suggestion if nothing else.

My suggestions concerning BWL was that it would be a great idea if we could put together a list of items that RG2 members could collect in the meantime that would be useful in BWL :smile:. As from what I've been reading the current eta of BWL for RG2 is 2 months time, so now is a good time to get equipment ready :happy:.

Oh and cheers Siff for the last few days, it's great to have someone who I can regularly group up with :biggrin:.


Sheperdbook
Author of long and confusing posts