TBC Sword build

[Luminance]

Been tying to come up a nice build for a raiding sword rogue for tbc, and i've come up with this one.

(i really like the bladefurry/adrenaline rush talents since this increases ur chances against multiple evp targets)

Do you like it? or what would you do diffirent?

[Bastet]

I would go for this build: here

[Luminance]

When lvling i had riposte but is it really that good? And why wouldn't you go for the extra long slice and dice, it saves up combo points wich u can use for eviscrate (what happend to the new sort of eviscrate??? just saw that envenom took its place :S was it to good?) ?

And you prefer the +4% stamina and +2%agi (160 health and 8-10 agility) over 20% chance for 8sec daze (its sure nice in pvp and evp, not sure if trashmobs can be dased though)

[Bastet]

Items in TBC have 45+ stam each by the looks of it, so i am expecting a bit more and the daze is nice, but i couldnt find the points.
 
As for S&D i hardly use it, might not be best, but i like evis.

[Luminance]

i'm using slice and dice more and more since my dps is increasing and i have the feeling i do more with slice and dice then with eviscrate (and if u do it right u can keep up slice and dice all the time by using ss, wich is perfect for swords and less perfect for daggers but still its doing almost the same dmg then eviscrate/backstab and i use eviscrate more as a execute. (backstab/eviscrate is better if i can do it all the time but i see points go to waste cuz of sleep/stun/fear/death/knockback and more and more i'm forced to be infront of the target),

and ok if tbc gives +45 stam per item! then the increase might be alot but then again in perspective, 160 health on 4000 is the same as 400 health on 10.000

[Neff]

The sub. tree is outdated. Cloak thingy is trainable, and you get shadowstep (blink ambush thing)

[Luminance]

shadowstep (blink ambush thing)

huh? explain plz

[noevra]

http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/underdev/burningcrusade/rogue/talents.html?3053031050011020000003200550100050150023212000000000000000000000000
 
think thats ganne be my taland when the TBC comes out. (yes im ganne chance to sworts than, not sure. but hey swits the points in swort spec to fist spec and you get the point )

[Tika]

As for S&D i hardly use it, might not be best, but i like evis.

you need SnD to maximize your dps. it will up your dps quite a bit, but you dont need 3 points in it, 1 should be enough to be able to keep it going from the very first cp. this is both for dagger- and swordbuild. and if im not mistaken, SnD do more damage than evisc over time.

when i did raids with my rogue, i did the combo:

bs-SnD-bs-bs-bs/SnD-bs-bs-bs-bs-bs-evisc and so on
or
ss-SnD-ss-ss-ss-ss-ss/SnD-ss-ss-ss-ss-evisc
or
hemo-SnD-hemo-hemo-hemo/SnD-hemo etc.

[Luminance]

you need SnD to maximize your dps. it will up your dps quite a bit, but you dont need 3 points in it, 1 should be enough

With combat potency you should give you that little bit extra energy to keep up SnD all the time

[Tika]

yes combat potency looks really nice.

for your build luminance i would skip dodge/lightning reflexes if you do just a little pvp rogues already dodge too much with the agi . 3 in imp gouge (hope the new instances/mobs in tbc will more rogue friendly) and fill up parry/deflection and get that last point in riposte (again, hope mobs will be more roue "friendly") and riposte rocks in pvp. but ofc if you do no pvp at all, your choice

[Luminance]

Well i always enjoyed pvp with my shaman to the fullest, but as rogue i couldn't really be arsed, simply because i allready gained the rank i wanted with my shaman, and it costed to much time to get it, (will chance in tbc, but still). I just enjoy raids more, getting bosses down after hard work, and get a reward after doing it couple times.

And i've been thinking, the more you hit with your offhand, the more "free" energy you get the more dmg you can do. Especially on big trashmobs or bosses. So the longer SnD is up the more change you have on "free" energie you have for sinisterstrikes and eviscrates.

And the 2% murder dmg is less then the extra sinister strike you can do, so i'm gonna keep my points out of that too. And i'll probably try this build as soon as tbc comes out.

Play style is nice too, Keep slice and dice up all the time if possible [i get 25 energy back, 60% chance on a extra point, and higher chance on +15 energy] then you should be able to have points left while snd is still up so eviscrate with that. Think this will buff your dmg really well (ofc you should watch out not to overagro, but you since you have energy enough, you can feint enough if needed]

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Let see if you could get a 5 point eviscerate, while keeping SnD up all the time:

If you have a 5 point eviscerate (27.3 sec and gives 0.6combo point and 25 energy back)
ur 2.5sec offhand will hit every 1,75 sec.
1 in 5 succesfull strikes awards 15 energy back, so that will could happen every 8,75sec rounded up to 10 sec for the not succesfull once.
You get 20 energy per tick (2 sec)

Slice and dice is free since it costs 25 energy but gives 25 back, and awards 0,6 combo point (u have 60% chance to get a additional point back)
Eviscerate costs 0-25 energy and awards 0,6 combo point
Sinnister strike costs 40 energy

For SnD you need        4.4 SS  costs   176 energy
Is 8.8 ticks 17,6 sec but Combat pot. gives 26.4 energy

so it takes 150 energy regenerated in 7.5 seconds.
there for you have 20 seconds till SnD is gone

this gives time for a eviscerate which need 4.4 ss
in that time u generate 230 energy- 176 energy for the ss,

that leaves 54 energy per SnD/Eviscerate cycle for feints or dodges.


Succes

[nightshadel]

Hmm looked a little through it and i thought og this one for Swords
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/underdev/burningcrusade/rogue/talents.html?3050201050000000000000250550100050150023212510000000000000000000000#none

And maybe this for Dagger
http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/underdev/burningcrusade/rogue/talents.html?0253231050001305015410053052000500000000000000000000000000000000000

[Luminance]

its dmn hard to choose between my old 60 buildish
or to get some TBC talents mixed build wich i only have to add the extra 10 to make it complete.

i hate incomplete builds grr