Biker's targeted again.

[DogMeat]

My dad said....
 "there's only 2 types of biker, those that have had an accident, and those that are going to have an accident"

I always heard it was that there were only two types of driver: those that have hit a biker, and those that are going to hit a biker.

Meh.

[Doorman]

If you want to raise their standard, train them better.

Good idea. It has one serious flaw though. You can train a kid to the highest degree but you wont be able to do anything about the extremely high levels of testosterone in them. (to be fair, most of them try to rid themselves of excess testosterone by spitting in the street, but that another meh) Highly trained or not, there's a large section of them that are convinced that they could show Valentino Rossi a thing or two! Or those in their 1200cc Corsas who know better than Schumacher.
 
Just in case anyone thinks I'm anti bike, I'm not. I'd love a motorcycle.
Doggers, you're speaking from the point of view of a man with experience and seem to think anyone that rides a bike also has that experience. Not so. The guy that hit my wife NOW has the experience to know that you can't see round blind bends, I doubt he'll make that mistake again.
 
Nothing will change though. I was no better in my youth, the saving grace was that the roads were emptier then. There is now no longer a 'quiet' period.
 
Mmm, that looks about 20c worth.

[suicidal_monkey]

While I agree that a device that actively cuts the throttle is a bit stupid because it cannot know if there is a good/legitimate reason for the excessive speed, and would be more likely to cause accidents than prevent them, transmitting back to a base that "bike A" just broke the speed limit for a 30-mile stretch by some margin is something that the driver/owner of the bike would have to answer for.

I think that on one hand it's a great idea because it'd do away with speed cameras. I find speed cameras really distracting - if you've not got cruise control and want to keep a car at 70mph (or thereabouts) on the motorway it requires you to constantly check your speedo to make sure you've not crept too far over 70 at any time. A combination of cruise control (which can be over-ridden if you stomp on the accelerator or brake) and speed-checker should work okay. Legitimate speeding is generally short-lived - to get out of danger, to complete an overtake fast enough, etc - but anything much longer is just gratuitous.

Perhaps you could apply to take an advanced driving test where your reactions and skills and sensibility are tested. This advanced license could give you the right to go faster as you are indeed a better driver. However, any violations or abuse etc then it gets revoked.

In reality they've been talking about doing this to cars for a while already (the tracking part, the auto-braking part happens when accidents appear to be imminent and cars are capped at 155 due to tire limits and autobahn limits I assume?)

[Dingo]

I'm with D "I'm talking sense here people" M on this one.
 
Responsibility will always be with the person in control of the vehicle, whether it is an 18 year old on a bike or in a car, but the bike rider (in most cases Ron) is far more vunerable, causes less damage overall and can't take three of his mates with him when he wants to impress them with his "clever (stupid) driving".
 
Limiting the capacity of bikes up to the age of 21 would be an idea that, whilst frustrating some, would still give the majority the feel for the bike and those that loved it enough would be more mature at 21 when they were able to get a bigger bike.
 
Of course you could argue that programmes like Top Gear, with their outrageous testing of supercars, encourages young car drivers to be reckless and promotes less desirable driving habits in the young........so none of you would mind if it wasn't on again then?!!:devil:
 
 
 
Oh, and Ron, there is always Castration to dispose of that testosterone:woot2: :woot2:

[Stryker]

For all those in favour of such measures let me put it simply for you.  I don't support this for one reason, that is it would make us acustome to yet another form of control.  To anyone here who like playing computer games..... support this and next time they might pick something YOU LIKE!!

Maybe soon after they will introduce a rule that will make your PC quit a game after 1 hour game play.... its for your health and saftey you understand!!!!!

Why do we keep having so many restrictions put on our actions all as always supported by unsound facts, that are belivable to the lay-man.  

(I suspect my spelling is at that of sheepy standard at the mo, forgive me it happens when I'm seeing red and about to wang a laptop through my front window).

[Gh0st Face Killah]

I have to say its not just bikes that re going to be hit with a black box in the car. The idea of it being able to control the throttle though is way out of order.

I have this posted on another forum.

Sign up if you'd prefer NOT to have some dodgy tracking device installed in your car.
 
The government's proposal to introduce road pricing will mean you having to purchase a tracking device for your car and paying a monthly bill to use it. The tracking device will cost about £200 and in a recent study by the BBC, the lowest monthly bill was £28 for a rural florist and £194 for a delivery driver. A non working Mum who used the car to take the kids to school paid £86 in one month. On top of this massive increase in tax, you will be tracked. Somebody will know where you are at all times. They will also know how fast you have been going, so even if you accidentally creep over a speed limit in time you can probably expect a Notice of Intended Prosecution with your monthly bill.
 
If you care about our freedom and stopping the constant bashing of the car driver, please sign the petition on No 10's new website (link below) and pass this on to as many people as possible.
 
The idea of tracking every vehicle at all times is sinister and wrong. Road pricing is already here with the high level of taxation on fuel. The more you travel - the more tax you pay.
 
It will be an unfair tax on those who live apart from families and poorer people who will not be able to afford the high monthly costs.
 
Please Mr Blair - forget about road pricing and concentrate on improving our roads to reduce congestion.
 
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/