Future raids

[Limps]

Hi guys, just an update from me, well regards to the 10 man ICC i really think we need to realize that more groups the better is not the best way to go. what i think we need to do is to go 2x10 man groups with the best players we have. Next weeek we swap in 1 "bad" player in each group to let them try yes it means one will sit out. But if we do like last time go 3x 10 man groups guys you will start to loose ppl as that is really not good rather put 2x10 good groups together that works perfect.

on a side note to 10 man runs and 25 man runs, tbh we need rethink the 10 man, thinkin at least not doing it each week. we are at a point in 25 man ICC were we can down fester and rotface with no doubt, so lets focus on that and lets get further. what you have to remeber ppl joined the guild to do 25 man runs not 10 man. that said i think 10 man runs is a good think as long as it dont take over to many raid nights. And yes we might have good progress in 10 man but so what lets move on to do what we do and that is 25 man. i think saying 10 man ICC is run 2 days each second week or so. unless we cant get further on 25 man  

regards to raid speed this one is very important, the way it has went the last 3 weeks is that after each attempt Mal and JAs start anylyse the fight and 10 15 min later we pull again, after that try same same saem same. we need to go away from that and focuz on getting some try in on that actuall boss. tbh 1 hour on 1 boss and 3 attempts is just not good enough, this can not go on like this


Another thing please stop compare us to other guild like eluo and such cuz we are not them and cant always use their advice. please belive we are a strong raid group and can get further then 10 man and surfang but it is a must that the officer, cl belive in that. but guys if you really think we are weak and not able to raid good then what are we doing. this could not be more away from the thruth we are a good raid guild and we always have major progress. so please keep that in mind and stop thinkin of other guild and players as they are not us. we do it our way.

i dont know how it works with TL giving advice on fights, raid etc etc regards to him being in the council. i am not saying TL input are not wanted, but in certain aspect it really need to be thought about twice before used, somethings u need to see to be able to advice about, just my view and pass on. again not saying that the advice is not wanted, i am saying the officer and raid leaders who use the advice need to think about it before it is said.

and there i am thinknin dps is one aspect, i would say i have a good pulse on our dps. and please use my advice if given i would not say it if it was not meant, menaing that sometimes insteead of asking me or another CL it is just said we dont have the dps. this happend a few month back on rotface, now we are OP which means we kill him no problem but gyus we could have done that months back even though it would have bin close to enrage. this is one thing missing the lack to belive in our group. Please belive in our group and ask the cl, officer and other what they think before it is said just to go 10 man. i think this is a bi issue that we dont use each other to find out were we are atm with dps. and yes wipes will happend in a progress run

[Limps]

I also wanted to give my thumbs up on on the actually raids, i dont just wanna give constructive criticism. Jas and Mal and the whole officer/cl team are doing a damn good job and i think most of us can agree on that the atmosphere has improved alot and ppl are having fun. so for sure this is indeed needed to be said, i have no doubt many will agee on that.

[JonnyAppleSeed]

regards the 10 mans .. I dont want them at all tho we need to do them if we cant do a boss on 10 man we will never do it on 25 ...  the kicker is we have a number of people who cant do them on 10 man thu kit or skill / practice. The last 10 mans we did had 2 very strong grps and a weeker 3rd. Im not leaving 10 available players from having a run so we run as many 10 man as we can without  gimping 2 strong raid grps. As we have hit a wall with 25 rotface we need all the badge action we can get so the 10 are helping to gear up.

The raid moving im wuite happy with the pace at the mo tho we can always speed up.  

The problem we have at the moment is low dps (feel free to flame me) the figures posted by danage summed it up the other week.. We are at the moment 10k/sec short of enrage on fester. We still need to bring in players with crappy alt dps levels to fill the raid, we are filtering them out and getting people hitting par tho its never a quick thing to do.

Regards follow any other guild .. i just want iformation . what we do with it is up to us.

hope this throws a bit of light on what we need to do

[TeaLeaf]

Limps, I have a standing offer to Council that if my advice or assistance is ever not needed I will step down so it should never cause any issue.  I have given limited input overall, so I'm not quite sure why I stick out in your mind Limps. Most of my input has been an occasional example of performance analysis which has usually been welcomed and supported, or a comment on strategic or admin matters in Council.

Re Eluo: I'm not sure anyone is comparing DMR to Eluo though, I hope not, they are totally different guilds with different aims, but you can insert any guild name that you look up on WoL to compare their numbers to your own if that makes it easier.   Certainly though if one guild (whichever) has already done the encounter then it makes sense to use the information available to your best advantage.  It's down to the officers what to do with that information, but there's no point trying to reinvent the wheel especially as some of the officers have often been along with an Eluo alt run to see the information first hand.

Finally I admit to being confused by something: Limps, do you really have quite a good handle on the dps?  You have already said you have no time to do such research so I am a little confused; do you now have the time to do this?  It would be excellent if you do because a lot of the 'little things' can be fixed and when combined they add up to a lot more than the 10k dps your are missing.  Good news for DMR if this is now the case :biggrin:

It sounds like you feel you are not being listened to?  If that's the case then it is simpler to just address that problem directly with the raid leaders.  They certainly should be listening, but they take an overview and at the end of the day make the decisions.

[Pandizar]

and as I have stated maybe its time to take the training wheels off and lower the number of healers on Rotface like we did with Saurfang we happily use 5 on that fight, most of us have T10 now so the healing has improved but were not utilizing it all.

[Limps]

regards the 10 mans .. I dont want them at all tho we need to do them if we cant do a boss on 10 man we will never do it on 25 ...  the kicker is we have a number of people who cant do them on 10 man thu kit or skill / practice. The last 10 mans we did had 2 very strong grps and a weeker 3rd. Im not leaving 10 available players from having a run so we run as many 10 man as we can without  gimping 2 strong raid grps. As we have hit a wall with 25 rotface we need all the badge action we can get so the 10 are helping to gear up.

The raid moving im wuite happy with the pace at the mo tho we can always speed up.  

The problem we have at the moment is low dps (feel free to flame me) the figures posted by danage summed it up the other week.. We are at the moment 10k/sec short of enrage on fester. We still need to bring in players with crappy alt dps levels to fill the raid, we are filtering them out and getting people hitting par tho its never a quick thing to do.

Regards follow any other guild .. i just want iformation . what we do with it is up to us.

hope this throws a bit of light on what we need to do

ya i agree with u mate it is all good, when it comes to dps it just not true we in my view we have the dps look at the gear ppl have, it is all about getting use to the fight specially rotface it is all about more tries then 3 i belive ppl's dps will get better as they get into the fight, that is actually almost how it always bin we never went in a fight and killed it first time it is allways progress on progress untill it is killed. we had 3 goes on rotface and last go we got him to 27 % when ppl get use to the hectic ooze the dps will rise during that part of the fight. and still during those attempts it was small things that made us wipe the overall control was good i belive. i am sure we can down rotface, maybe not fester but we really have not had many tries on him with ppl's new gear and we have had a major dps boost form almost everyone.

[Limps]

Limps, I have a standing offer to Council that if my advice or assistance is ever not needed I will step down so it should never cause any issue.  I have given limited input overall, so I'm not quite sure why I stick out in your mind Limps. Most of my input has been an occasional example of performance analysis which has usually been welcomed and supported, or a comment on strategic or admin matters in Council.

Re Eluo: I'm not sure anyone is comparing DMR to Eluo though, I hope not, they are totally different guilds with different aims, but you can insert any guild name that you look up on WoL to compare their numbers to your own if that makes it easier.   Certainly though if one guild (whichever) has already done the encounter then it makes sense to use the information available to your best advantage.  It's down to the officers what to do with that information, but there's no point trying to reinvent the wheel especially as some of the officers have often been along with an Eluo alt run to see the information first hand.

Finally I admit to being confused by something: Limps, do you really have quite a good handle on the dps?  You have already said you have no time to do such research so I am a little confused; do you now have the time to do this?  It would be excellent if you do because a lot of the 'little things' can be fixed and when combined they add up to a lot more than the 10k dps your are missing.  Good news for DMR if this is now the case :biggrin:

It sounds like you feel you are not being listened to?  If that's the case then it is simpler to just address that problem directly with the raid leaders.  They certainly should be listening, but they take an overview and at the end of the day make the decisions.

I allways try to make clear that your input is greatly appreciated and wanted. only thing is sometimes we are compared to not have the dps eluo have, which i think really dont matter as u also state we are two different guild with different aims.
for the part that i am not listen to is not what i mean in general the communication is very good atm. but i belive our range dps can do more then what a lot think, u cant see everything via logs specialy old ones fester we need to get some tries in before it can be said but Rotface he is dead in my book all it takes is more tries, last time we got him to 27 % in 3 try and last - the time i dont remember but we were good on time for 3 try that day with ppl's new gear

when u state if i have more time well i have atm to give my self some time to play wow but that dont mean i will start anylize players and so on, i think we have more then enough and capable players that can do that all we need to do is assign some 1. but atm while i am online more i do active stuff to keep some wheels running. i have a RL commitment that need to be done in the next Ã,½ year so time is pressed, as soon as i get my new computer i will not but much online but for raid untill i finished my project.

but mate please dont get this as something against eluo or you it is really only to raise talk about subjects we need to look at, and as i say for my self the input/advice etc is highly appreciated. i just think it is important not to loose focus that we are in a progress phase which will make us wipe alot but as long as there is progress all should be happy.

it is also in my belive we should say that it is not certain we do TOC25 each week but still dont get saved and maybe scrap VOA25 and focus on doing ICC25 and 10 ICC when possible. and yes i agree icc10 is very important to further progress no doubt, but i also think it is important to get tries on not killed bosses in ICC25 more then we do atm. again just my view of it as it always is.