Life Tap

[Othbarty]

Originally posted by Gorion+May 26 2006, 05:16 PM-->

QUOTE(Gorion @ May 26 2006, 05:16 PM)

a macro in the raid channel seems a solution..

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When i use Life Tap, i usually use it multiple times, and i have a shitloads of extra btns as it is. A macro in the raidchat would spam it like TANGO, and could cause that important messages to get spammed away. Maybe a /y?

Originally posted by Vargen@May 27 2006, 12:45 PM
Basically, if the big thing isn't targeting the locks, the locks are ignored. Sure I might throw on an instantheal or a small heal just because I didn't have anything better to do
I've played a lock, so I know how important lifetap is on the longer fights. I actually like it when locks lifetap so I have something to spend my mana on during a fight. But I think what most healers are annoyed about is when the fight is over and healers sit down to drink up as fast as they can. They really don't want to get up, heal a lock that was too lazy to use water OOC and then sit down and drink water yet again.

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[StrontiumDog]

Just my 2 cents, I use life tap a lot but never without the ability to heal myself. During combat I will use a heathstone/bandages/pots but my health will never be lower than 50% whilst I am doing this.

OOC I use water and food, apart from a dot there is no reason to heal any lock who is OOC.

[Neff]

that's why u go afk 2 times a fight

Yeah, me being afk must really burn when i still outdmg you, and not even overagroing omgomgoggomg.

[Asheera]

Originally posted by Neff@May 28 2006, 12:02 PM
Yeah, me being afk must really burn when i still outdmg you, and not even overagroing omgomgoggomg.

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keep dreaming neff

[Neff]

Originally posted by Asheera@May 28 2006, 12:41 PM
keep dreaming neff

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im not, you obviously forgot the time in mc when you ended under me. i was nr.1 you 2 and someone else under us.

Quit dragging Afk into a topic where it has nada to do with it .

[Asheera]

my hero ! /golfclap stop complaining and come back to topic plz

[Neff]

Originally posted by Asheera@May 28 2006, 03:16 PM
my hero ! /golfclap stop complaining and come back to topic plz

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Well, i wasnt the one who started complaining, you was the one who started, but thats an 9year old argument.  I never started with something negative before you did.
Thing was that i dont loose that much dps ( or lost)and i have like 2k less mana then you? (you had 6k right?)

But i think we got enough views from healers  & locks so closing the thread would be apropriate.

[Voretex]

Yea i got fed up wth that a long time ago, thats why locks arent in my Emergency monitor

[Asheera]

well completly delete the class from emergency monitor isn't the right thing to do but accordign to what i read on this topic + i also have talked w/ some healers about it in game the end of story is:

1) Locks will ask to mages to have some food too before the start of the raid
2) Healers r not supposed to heal lock OOC that uses life tap

a macro that sais Lock under attak or lock using LT it's only a spammy thing and healers don't have that much time to take care of chat too tho

if any1 have some other thing to say or just agree plz keep posting

[Goreandor]

Being a healer who is usually OOM on longish fights much before the end of the fight, I can understand most healers' points of view. As many have learned from experience, DPS during the fight is as important as healing. If a mob dies faster, then less healing is needed and less chance of someone dropping dead.

Life Tap is a great skill to use, especially for long fights if used in moderation. The Lock doesn't need to life tap till he is down to 20% health. As some have mentioned, most of the time healers don't have time to read any kind of chat during fights, especially if there's alot going on. If we see a health bar dropping dangerously low, we will heal. No healer likes to see health bars dropping, especially when in combat

If we're already running low on mana, the extra healing needed for a life tapping warlock, surely is an additional burden, unless we know he is life tapping and leave him be. However, I don't think there is a fool proof system that will work always due to the hectic nature of most raid encounters. If Locks life tap with moderation, I don't think it is such a big issue.

Having said that, once I was in group with a priest in ZF, and he had some kind of addon, that would throw a yell when he gained aggro and another yell when he no longer had it. Even though we may miss that single yell, it shouldn't spam if only locks use it and at least one of the healers will most probably see it.

Just my 2c. Might give a good idea to someone.

[Neff]

So a very good answer could be to just restrain ourselves locks;) i usually life tap to 50/50 , or something in that range :-)

[Umbra]

One of the replies from a lock here said it's faster to lifetap and bandage, than it is to drink water, but since what you're doing is converting healer mana to your mana, you surely have to wait for them to drink water again anyway?

Only limited experience with healers and locks, small parties etc, and maybe it comes from healers feeling they are expected to heal, but simply:

if you're not in combat AND it's not a speedrun, let them heal themselves. No-one is forcing you to heal them, and if it comes down to things going awry because they had no health, then it's something they have to sort out. Likewise, if you heal them and then a pull happens when you have low mana then that's something for leaders to sort. Don't heal them OOC AND complain, leave them to it. That's like doing someone elses dishes and then complaining they made you do it.

If it's in combat then it's a fair bet the lock has calculated that either, they don;t need the hp right now, OR, theyre going to die soon anyway so get off some high dps in a blaze of glory.

Having been on a few small raids with my priest, I know I only heal people ooc if I want to/HAVE to. If they then proceed to pull when healer mana is low then they get a slap or no combat healing.

However, maybe any lock who does Lifetap and then yells 'heal me' should get a slap too, maybe it should be influenced by officers, like innervate as basically it's similar but with pain involved (S&M locks)

[Goreandor]

Originally posted by Neff@May 30 2006, 02:24 PM
So a very good answer could be to just restrain ourselves locks;) i usually life tap to 50/50 , or something in that range :-)

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Just as an example, instead of doing 4 life taps in a row, you could do 2 lifetaps - dps until oom - 2 life taps - dps until oom. This shouldn't restrain you anymore than doing 4 lifetaps in a row and then dps till oom. It also spreads out a bit your dps making it easier for tanks to control. In the meantime I may have also thrown a HoT on you for being such an understanding type

Even if you get ignored by healers, you might get aggro when you are low on health. Then you will get into trouble. I have seen plate wearers going from 100% to 15% or less health with one blow and druid heals take a very long time to cast  I have nothing against locks using life tap. In fact its not the first time i throw a Rejuv on a lock after a lifetap ooc if i'm on full mana. It only takes me 2/3 secs to get back to full again.

My point was simply to use it, not abuse it If this becomes a concern shared by many, we could try the aggro shout thing. We got nothing to loose just by trying. Ofc being relatively new to raids, i might be talking out of my TANGO :dummy: