No Entry Signs and Out Of Bounds (OOB)

Dr Sadako · May 16, 2008, 11:27:26 PM

On the dMw servers we play Tactical CS which focuses on objective oriented team play. To emphasize the objective oriented play No Entry Signs have been placed for the defending team on all our maps. If you cannot see the signs you need to reconnect to the server. If you still cannot see them you need to turn on Decals in your config.

The signs indicate that the defending team should not go beyond this point as it would mean compromising the objective. In game it means that the defending team are not allowed past the sign. Below the No Entry Signs are displayed and explained.

The No Entry Signs

T No Entry Sign

Ts are not allowed to go beyond the no-entry signs UNTIL the hostages are taken. If the hostages are taken the goal is to secure the hostages when you go beyond the no entry signs.

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CT No Entry Sign

CTs are NOT allowed to go beyond the no-entry signs UNTIL the bomb is planted. CTs are allowed to guard a downed bomb beyond the no entry sign.

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FAQ about No Entry Signs:
Q1. Am I allowed to pick up a gun on the wrong side of a No Entry Sign?
A1. No.

Q2. How should I interpret a sign like the CT no entry sign above that is on the side wall?
A2. Imagine a plane extending from that wall in parallel with the sign across that entrance. Do not cross that plane.

Q3. I think I heard someone calling the bomb down. Can I flank?
A3. No. You need to have confirmation that the bomb is down. You should always question flanking as you put yourself at risk and indirectly your team. If you are unsure always go the safe route that is in bounds.
If the bomb is confirmed down you are allowed to flank but you should always discuss it with your team. What is the reason for flanking? You getting quicker to the bomb or maybe getting a kill?

Q4. When a no entry sign is sprayed on the ground where does the boundary go? Can I stand on it?
A4. If you are unsure - do not do it! Always interpret the signs in the opposite teams favor i.e. the boundary starts closest to you.

Q5. If the CTs have grabbed 2 out of 4 hostages and rescues them but the Ts still have the remaining 2, are the No Entry Signs still the rule or can T go everywhere?
A5. The objective for T is to guard the hostages i.e. the no entry signs comes in play as soon as the first 2 hostages are rescued. Ts are not allowed to go out of bounds as the "new" objective is to guard the remaining hostages.
If there are Ts that are out of bounds due to the pursuit of the first 2 hostages they should return as soon as possible to the remaining 2 as that is the objective.

Q6. Can I take a quick peek beyond a no entry sign if the objective is not compromised?
A6. No.

Q7. Am I allowed to spray my own spray on top of a no entry sign?
A7. No.

Q8. What does OOB mean?
A8. It means Out Of Bounds i.e. you have moved beyond a no entry sign. If you are OOB then you should get back on the "right" side of the No Entry Sign. Rule of thumb is that you should be near your objective.

Q9. What happens if I go beyond the No Entry Signs?
A9. First you will be warned. If you don't return you will also risk being slayed, then kicked and finally banned.

Q10. I can't see any signs. Are you sure there are signs on this map?
A10. There are signs on all maps in the rotation on both Boomer and Meathook. If you cannot see them you should reconnect to the server. Easiest way to do that is typing "retry" in console. If you still not see any signs you should make sure that you Decals are allowed in your config. If you have disabled decals it is up to YOU to turn them on or learn the boundaries by heart.
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Some examples of how the No Entry Signs should be interpreted.

Sign is on the wall and the line extends along that wall i.e. you are not allowed at the steps.

Sign on the ground because a full sign wouldn't fit on the wall on each side of the entrance.

Double doors on aztec. Note that there are two signs. The reason for this is that is easy to miss the sign only on the ground.

Bridge on aztec. Here 3 signs work as one basically but all 3 are needed due to the two levels and the scale of the openings.

Wooden bridge on kismayo. No it is not allowed to step up onto them and peek. If you have an urge to peek stand on the ledge on the right but keep on the right side of the boundary.

Kismayo again. Difficult corner with 2 signs. Extending the lines it make is clear though.

Bottom of bombsite B on marauder. The boundary is an extension of the wall and stops _in_ the crates and not after.

Inferno corridor to A. Note that the boundary is an extension of the wall and goes in between the pillars.

Snokio · May 16, 2008, 11:45:11 PM

good write up, seems to cover everything!

Edit: Already made a sticky

R@ng3R · May 16, 2008, 11:58:00 PM

nice one doc,can we have a plug in that explodes anyone who goes OOB:dribble:

Dr Sadako · May 17, 2008, 08:41:15 AM

Updated the first post.

Bastet · May 17, 2008, 08:43:33 AM

Nicely done doc, that should help a lot of people that are unsure about it

KKND · May 17, 2008, 09:27:45 AM

Quote from: Bastet;231739Nicely done doc, that should help a lot of people that are unsure about it

Lets hope so...:flirty:

Browne · May 17, 2008, 01:12:48 PM

Quote from: Snokio;231710good write up, seems to cover everything!

Edit: Already made a sticky

:withstupid: Heres one to consider..on de_paranesi (right spelling?), in the entrance under the archway on the T's route to B, the "no CT" sign is on the ground at the T entrance corner of the arch, technically making the small ledge above it OOB? (I have actually seen CTs on the windowsill beyond the ledge?)

Luminance · May 17, 2008, 01:24:39 PM

I think i've actually missed that sign on maraudeers a couple times, although when i play that map i happen to be T mostly.

Dr Sadako · May 17, 2008, 01:51:06 PM

Quote from: Browne;231767:withstupid: Heres one to consider..on de_paranesi (right spelling?), in the entrance under the archway on the T's route to B, the "no CT" sign is on the ground at the T entrance corner of the arch, technically making the small ledge above it OOB? (I have actually seen CTs on the windowsill beyond the ledge?)

Not sure where you mean actually. Send me a screenshot or show me next time you are on.

Edit: Ok, now I know where you mean.

I'll ask Whitey to move the sign to the ground below the arch.

Snokio · May 17, 2008, 01:58:23 PM

I think he means here:

(sorry for the size)

Dr Sadako · May 17, 2008, 02:09:43 PM

Quote from: Snokio;231772I think he means here:

(sorry for the size)

Yes. I was just in photoshop and edited the image.

If I remember correctly the reason for putting the sign there was that the sign if placed on the ground would be facing the T instead of CT. I think the boundary should be in line with the upper wall as I have drawn in the image above. That would mean that the balcony and ledge would be in bounds.