Raid 13.09.09 Uld 25>>>>ToC 25

[Sithvid]

My thoughts.
The positives.
The raid was not the worst ever, we made progress getting 3 dudes down. Learnt tactics tried new tactics.
Most knew about the posts made on the tactics of this fight.
The banter was good, we traded flasks and herbs and stuff.( i know its not the right time really)
Did we have enough tanks? well if we didnt we did great.

The Negatives.
The waiting around was tedious but we all get the odd DC and understand this is more frustrating for the individual. 3 DC's in raid or afk 5mins plus = removed from raid.
Some of the tactics were questioned, at the appropriate time, and a objective sensible response was given as to why who when etc, but others huffin and swearing when questions were asked is stupid at best, at worst they have a superiority complex that needs addressing in RL as much as WOW.
I disagree that only 15 or so are serious, (and assume that i am in on the 15 but then again I think at least 24 of us last night assume we are in the 15)

If we don't perform as individuals we need to be told, or how do we know we are doing something wrong ? When and how we are told is also pertinent.
We have some funny clever people in the group I would not like to lose any, but better to discuss that stew.

[Azunai]

If we don't perform as individuals we need to be told, or how do we know we are doing something wrong ? When and how we are told is also pertinent.

I only agree up to a certain level. It wouldn't be such a big deal if people were misunderstanding tactics or something like that. Sure we'll correct you if it's simply ignorance on the correct procedure. But the problem is bigger. We should definetly not have to tell people if/that they are doing something wrong in the cases I see, the whole "standing in fire(tm)" metafor.

[Tirkad]

Maybe i've got an idea about the discussion on the faction champions fight. The raid leader/officers/role leaders may open a thread in the appropriate folders, where people will talk exclusively about that class/role (like for example "Holidins: live and let live" in the healers folder, or "hunter - the path of healthy pew pew", in the ranged dps folder). Once the thread has developed some nice idea, the person who opened the topic (raid leader/officer/role leader) can discuss those ideas with the council in a private thread, to avoid confusion.
Just an idea, anyway.

EDIT: In my opinion, one of the reason we struggle to get a successful tactic is the dinamic setup of our raids. I'm not necessarily talking about people, but classes. For example one time we have a shaman and 2 hunters, and the other we have no shammies, no hunters and 1 more mage, one more paladin and one more lock. With a different setup, the group have to learn again how to interact in the most efficient way. I hope i've brought my thoughts into words clearly enough.