Xfr @ so town (so5)

[obsolum]

I'm sure there are guys using G25s and w.h.y. and using 270Ã,° but not admitting it. :g:

Oh for a certainty. I've seen people on the LFS forum say they have their G25 set to 240Ã,° of rotation, no FFB at all, and the paddles as shifter in every car. Really makes you wonder why they spent the money on the G25 :g:

A question: does someone of you really sometimes suffer from having too insensitive (way too much steering needed through the corner) steering and you still not adjust your controller to help with that?

I guess it depends on what you would call "too much steering". If a corner requires me to turn my wheel more than 180Ã,° using the "proper" controller settings, then that's just what's needed. I may change some options in the car's setup, like increasing the maximum lock of the car, but I'll never change my controller options. It has actually never entered my mind. Like I said, if a corner requires much steering, then it requires much steering. Changing your controller settings to something other than what "should" be used just so you have an easier time getting around corners... well, let's just say I wouldn't feel good about myself. I would feel like I was cheating and taking the easy way out. I'm not saying you are cheating - besides, I'm sure you don't do it on purpose - I'm just saying that I would feel like I was cheating

As a reference, the tight righthanded hairpin at the end of the downhill section in yesterday's combo required me to turn my wheel 180Ã,°, which means I had my arms crossed as I went through the turn. Sometimes I'd turn it just a little bit farther when I was carrying more speed through the turn, but I never had to move my hands on the wheel.

[Romus]

I guess it depends on what you would call "too much steering". If a corner requires me to turn my wheel more than 180Ã,° using the "proper" controller settings, then that's just what's needed. I may change some options in the car's setup, like increasing the maximum lock of the car, but I'll never change my controller options. It has actually never entered my mind. Like I said, if a corner requires much steering, then it requires much steering. Changing your controller settings to something other than what "should" be used just so you have an easier time getting around corners... well, let's just say I wouldn't feel good about myself.

Message understood. This has been a good discussion. I've just considered myself as a race engineer who has controller setup in my hands and I've done some adjustments there as well if needed. If you had about 180 steering angle in the hairpin then our controllers were set up quite similarly. Cu on track.

[Doorman]

A question: does someone of you really sometimes suffer from having too insensitive (way too much steering needed through the corner) steering and you still not adjust your controller to help with that?

I agree with everything Oliver has said. If the car has 720Ã,° steering then that's what I'll use. I get used to the car rather than change stuff to suit me.


P.S. Sorry for the thread hijack.

[Gnomie]

False alarm; threadjack not yet finished! :devil:

I may change some options in the car's setup, like increasing the maximum lock of the car, but I'll never change my controller options.

33 degrees lock on 720 degrees is exactly the same as 25 degrees lock on 540 degrees. If you want a discussion about realism you have to consider both these parameters. No offence, but otherwise it will just come across as "hardware elitism".

[Romus]

A question: does someone of you really sometimes suffer from having too insensitive (way too much steering needed through the corner) steering and you still not adjust your controller to help with that?

I tried 720 with this combo and it was really not much different from 450. So I would conclude that with G25 at least the 720 will be ok. :blink: The ball is round.

[Doorman]

I tried 720 with this combo and it was really not much different from 450. So I would conclude that with G25 at least the 720 will be ok. :blink: The ball is round.

Then try the HistoriX Cortina at 900 degrees :norty:

[obsolum]

False alarm; threadjack not yet finished! :devil:


33 degrees lock on 720 degrees is exactly the same as 25 degrees lock on 540 degrees. If you want a discussion about realism you have to consider both these parameters. No offence, but otherwise it will just come across as "hardware elitism".

I know I said that but it I have honestly never fiddled with the maximum lock in a car's setup in LFS. I think I'd have to look for it 'cause I can't tell off the top of my head where I would find it.

In the HistorX mod it's a different story; the maximum lock is usually the first thing I change because most default setups use a very low - and unrealistic - value. I always use 24Ã,° - 26Ã,° degrees there with 900Ã,° of rotation, which, I have been told, approximates what the real cars had.

But you definitely raise a good point I'll pay more attention to the steering lock in LFS.

[Doorman]

False alarm; threadjack not yet finished! :devil:


33 degrees lock on 720 degrees is exactly the same as 25 degrees lock on 540 degrees. If you want a discussion about realism you have to consider both these parameters. No offence, but otherwise it will just come across as "hardware elitism".

This begs the question; Are the setup parameters in LFS far too lenient? Does the fact that it has to cater for all manner of controllers leave it open to exploitation? :g:

[obsolum]

It is no secret that LFS' setup options are far too lenient and can be - and are - exploited. If Scawen cancelled the whole Scirocco & Rockingham project and instead introduced limited - and realistic - setup options for all the cars in LFS, I would be a happy man. LFS really, really, really needs limited setup options. Desperately.

[vobler]

This begs the question; Are the setup parameters in LFS far too lenient? Does the fact that it has to cater for all manner of controllers leave it open to exploitation? :g:

Not only the controllers, other parts of the setup too. Especially the brakes, ridehight and diffs. We where discussing this online the other day, why would people need loadcell brake pedals when most people just adjust the brake strenght to never lock up.

But then again, no sim is without possibilities to do some setup exploiting. We have to live with it to some degree.

[Slider 46]

Hmmm, i had my wheel set at 280 degrees but I didnt even consider it might be seen as cheating. I even said online that i was using that setting and nobody said anything.:g:
I'll use that 'proper' settings from now on allthough, if you had that car in RL and you couldnt get it around the corner, surely you would fit a quicker steering rack?

I also see the point about not using the G25's full potential but then you could view it as having a bigger selection of spares for your car, i.e more steering racks in the back of the truck. The more money you spend on your wheel/pedals/shifter etc, the more spares/options you have to set up your car. Some race teams will always have a bigger budget than others, thats life unfortunatly.

While realism is good, the ultimate point is to try and win races and a good setup is part of that wether you build, buy or blagg it. If we dont make use of all the options that are there for all who choose, then maybe we should only allow Race S setups too. (handy this week)


In the spirit of dMr, i will use the cars full lock from now on and do i have to give my 4th place back:D

[obsolum]

I don't think anyone here really considers it cheating, Steve. I said I would feel like I was cheating if I would do it Everyone should use what they feel comfortable with. It's about enjoying yourself. In an ideal world everyone would have the same means at their disposal as everyone else and everyone would be limited to realistic setup options, but unfortunately we live in a world that is far from ideal

Feel free to post your race report as well, by the way, as that is what this thread is about, believe it or not

[Jamin]

Sorry about that. I usually don't have outbursts in those situations. That was probably my second one in all my sim racing career.
It will not happen again.

No worries ve all throw a vobler now and again.

[Slider 46]

No worries ve all throw a vobler now and again.

oh my word :doh: