RG2 - Moving of raid days.

[Sheperdbook]

Yes pls, make sure it's something old and crusty :narnar:


Shep

[Sheperdbook]

Change of circumstances here, just got my timetable for next terms lectures.

I cannot raid on Tuesday nights due to lectures. It is the only bad evening.

If you're going to switch nights why not try Sunday, RG1 uses Sunday and more people voted for Sunday on the poll.


Shep

[Sebas]

Change of circumstances here, just got my timetable for next terms lectures.

I cannot raid on Tuesday nights due to lectures. It is the only bad evening.

If you're going to switch nights why not try Sunday, RG1 uses Sunday and more people voted for Sunday on the poll.


Shep

I second that, would make it much easier for me and not making me miss half of the raids each week :smile:

[Myanmar]

I understand and respect that it would make life easier for the officers to 'synchronize' raiddays. I also know that some people chose to be in exactly this raid group because of the raiding days, so if you change those raid days you give those who have a commitment on tuesday the choice of either dropping this commitment, whatever it is, or leave RG2, because with 50% attendance you will lose your rank.
 
So the question is, is simplified planning worth making 6 people (the 'no' votes so far) chose between real life commitments they might have had even before WoW and RG2?

[Sebas]

Myanmar I would love to have the ability to switch around so that I could adjust to this but Im at rugby training from 7 till 9 in the evening. Such a thing cant be changed because I gotta play a game :sad: And chosing WoW above rugby, thats a choice easily made. Rugby all the way. If this schedule change would go trough I dont really know what to do. I could go to Soldier but the only real fun I have on my Priest is the raiding and taking that away, well yeah would just suck...

[Sheperdbook]

I would have to also say that it would be absurd for me to sacrifice my degree.

However it need not be like this, there are other nights (like Sunday) that would meet the officers' requirements.


Shep

[Myanmar]

Myanmar I would love to have the ability to switch around so that I could adjust to this but Im at rugby training from 7 till 9 in the evening. Such a thing cant be changed because I gotta play a game :sad: And chosing WoW above rugby, thats a choice easily made. Rugby all the way. If this schedule change would go trough I dont really know what to do. I could go to Soldier but the only real fun I have on my Priest is the raiding and taking that away, well yeah would just suck...

 
Sebas, thats exactly what I am talking about
 
Is it really worth for the officers to change our raid days and by that effectively forcing people that have invested a lot into RG2 to leave, just because they dont chose WoW over RL?
 
Imo the raid days should be respected, because they are probably the most sensitive issue a raidgroup has.

[Yrthal]

Sebas, thats exactly what I am talking about
 
Is it really worth for the officers to change our raid days and by that effectively forcing people that have invested a lot into RG2 to leave, just because they dont chose WoW over RL?
 

Noone says, It has to change or forcing ppl to leave, they are just checking if its possible due to make the 20man instances easier to  schedule.

RL is allways the most important part, but not to forget its also nice to be a bit flexible. I know its tough for some to be, due to they got allready alot going on with work, fam., and other activities. And we respect that, but it does no harm to ask.

And the only thing they are trying to achive with these different, questions and votes, is what they could do better to benefit the whole RG and guild.. ppl often do misunderstand what they are trying to do, reading these post it allready souns like they are gonna change it, but what this realy is about is IF its possible.!?

"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

[Sheperdbook]

Yrthal, it is for exactly this reason that ppl are explaining why they are for and against this. By doing so the officers can guage the actual underlying sit'n.

And ofcourse people are going to get touchy when they are concerned that they may lose their ability to raid if they don't make themselves clear and discuss viable alternatives.

We haven't slated the process of voting, we've made it clear why we have problems with this evening and have also suggested an alternative that some of us who can't do Tuesday and that still fulfils the initial purpose for the change of evenings.

I think it's just as important though to ask which nights people would prefer to raid and it only seems sensible to ask at this stage, as we should be making it as convenient as possible for members and prevent possible rl/wow conflicts.

It would be a great shame though if we didn't discuss the issues and then valued members have to leave.


Shep

[Greatdanes]

About 18-20 people have still not made they vote and only 3 days left.

[TeaLeaf]

A suggestion for Sunday was made and is being mentioned as a better alternative by some in this thread, but you should remember that almost 50% more voted for Tuesday in this poll than voted for Sunday in the other poll, so there is at the very least likely to be an equal-sized group not happy with Sunday if that were the proposed day.

However I am sure the Marshalls will take all this into account and make a decision based on what is best for the whole raid group and guild in the longer term.  We can guarantee though that despite our best efforts we will never please all of the people all of the time.

TL.

[Sheperdbook]

Tealle, the fact still speaks for itself that in the other vote 3 more people said Sunday rather than Tuesday.

The 50% more point has been discussed in this thread and attributed to people though not wanting an extra raid day that they could raid on another day instead.

Surely the point should be to make the raids as accessible as possible and I'm just suggesting looking at the other vote and considering that RG1 also raids on Sunday nights that a Sunday night would have been a superior initial choice for a different night.

Anyways I'm not trying to have a go at anyone here just trying to discuss what might be better.


Shep

[TeaLeaf]

Tealle, the fact still speaks for itself that in the other vote 3 more people said Sunday rather than Tuesday.

You misread my post.  The fact I was pointing out was that in this poll mor epeople had voted for Sunday than had voted for Tuesday in the previous poll.  The fact that fewer people voted in the last poll is a different point.

TL.

[Bob]

You misread my post.  The fact I was pointing out was that in this poll mor epeople had voted for Sunday than had voted for Tuesday in the previous poll.

It might be that I as well have misread your post, but I kind of have to agree with Shep: those two polls are about different things - the first one about adding and extra raid dat, and this one about changing a raid day - and thus you can't compare the two polls with eachother.
As Shep pointed out, since there were more people willing to have Sunday as an extra raid day over Tuesday, it is also logically to believe that more people will prefer to move Monday's raid day to Sunday instead of Tuesday

[TeaLeaf]

I was simply pointing out the numbers are not disimilar and so despite the protestations otherwise there are likely to be a similar number who have problems the other way.

TL.