Optimal damageoutput?

DonnieKingo · September 29, 2006, 09:04:56 AM

Hi all

I was just wondering what your strategy is for pumping out as much damage as possible?:boxing:

Personally i find that doing an Aimed Shot, Multishot, auto, auto, repeat gives me the most. And when running low on mana (ie. not having mana for another aimed/multi) i use Rapid fire to speed things up a bit.

Whats your preferences? :devil:

Sandrion · September 29, 2006, 09:54:22 AM

The optimal cycle kind of depends on your weapon speed as well.

But there is a nice post about this stuff on Blizz's hunter forum: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11871317&sid=1. It also discusses cycles and uses Rhok'delar as example.

TeaLeaf · September 29, 2006, 10:09:51 AM

Quote from: DonnieKingo;153063I was just wondering what your strategy is for pumping out as much damage as possible?

I'd add to that question the following caveat:

"without pulling so much aggro that I wipe the raid"

Pumping out high DPS is easy.
Pumping out high DPS and not wiping the raid due to your inability to manage aggro or using FD to 'save yourself' is not the way forward if you plan to raid.

The Guild already has enough 'Learner' hunters trying to out-DPS a certain T2 hunter's build and pulling HUGE aggro at the same time and causing untold deaths.

Aggro management FTW.

TL.

DonnieKingo · September 29, 2006, 10:46:07 AM

I can only wonder why people allways take things the wrong way?:g:

I am just curious to know how the other hunters do their skill-rotation â€" including FD once it is off cooldown - which goes without saying - since noone is aiming for wipes!

Nefrion · September 29, 2006, 12:09:18 PM

Have to agree with DK here. Everytime someones mentions DPS some dude always has to be the "clever" one and start dictating about agro and stuff.

And dmg meters are strictly banned and a taboo like subject. Frankly Im getting tired of not being able to discuss DPS in an open forum. Whether you like it or not it is DPS thats killing the mobs in instances. More DPS means quicker kills and faster progress.

I dont see people in RG2 pulling agro and wipe the raid. This might happen in RG1 but not in RG2 :norty:

Neff · September 29, 2006, 09:13:43 PM

Tank keeping control off the mob and not killing the dps or the healers that keep the dps and tanks up is what kills the mob.
I have to agree with tl, we have about 20-25 dps, and its a large portionl So you can just "calm" down and dps in a more steady form, Save it for patchwerk.

Padding · September 29, 2006, 09:55:35 PM

TL, until you can actually pull aggro with dps, you cant learn to limit your dps properly. Might cost a wipe or two, but its worth it imo

DonnieKingo · September 29, 2006, 10:14:53 PM

Well, i guess that healers want to heal to their best, and i guess that mages and tanks want to do the same - hell i hope that everyone want to make the most out of their char - i know i do.

So the point is that i wont just sit back and relax with my hunter on autoshot while i grab a coke and some peanuts. I want to make as much contribution to the the raid as possible - and as a hunter that means damage. The more we all do our best - the quicker we will get through the mobs.

And some of you might still be misunderstanding me - but when i say optimal i mean optimal - not uber aggro! It is all about finding out how far you can go - when to feign - when to stop - when to auto etc.

It is not a race to see who can pull aggro off the tank first - but to do as much as possible, while still making sure that the raid goes as smooth as possible - ie. not causing wipes!

I hope that clears things up a bit... :eyebrow:

Claw · September 30, 2006, 12:23:09 AM

Quote from: TeaLeaf;153087I'd add to that question the following caveat:

"without pulling so much aggro that I wipe the raid"

Pumping out high DPS is easy.
Pumping out high DPS and not wiping the raid due to your inability to manage aggro or using FD to 'save yourself' is not the way forward if you plan to raid.

The Guild already has enough 'Learner' hunters trying to out-DPS a certain T2 hunter's build and pulling HUGE aggro at the same time and causing untold deaths.

Aggro management FTW.

TL.

Amen!! :clap::worship::clap::worship:

TeaLeaf · September 30, 2006, 07:42:25 AM

Quote from: DonnieKingo;153101I can only wonder why people allways take things the wrong way?:g:

I don't think I did. I merely added a caveat as a reminder to *all* readers (both SOG and non-SOG) because unknown to you we have had recent problems within SOG with hunters pulling aggro that Field Marshalls (specifically me at the time) had to deal with. Hence I thought a timely and anonymous general reminder to those out there that had seen and found the DPS message to remind them of the accompanying aggro management responsibilities. For the record it was neither an RG1 nor an RG2 hunter.

And Nefrion, please refer me to the post where we stopped you discussing DPS in here, because "Frankly Im getting tired of people hallucinating not being able to discuss DPS in an open forum".

I hate it when people imagine restrictions that do not exist and then post them as if they were a rule :sad:

Padding, yes I agree, but that assumes you then change your pattern of play to avoid that situation again. The case in point was a hunter who just repeated the same attack pattern, with entirely predictable results. Personally I'm interested in the DPS discussion here as I have a hunter I am levelling and know little about the class, but I was just adding a common sense comment as it seemed relevant.

Max DPS FTW with caveat

TL.

Nefrion · September 30, 2006, 10:01:35 AM

"In an open forum" I was thinking just as much in gc. Its just that when you mention the word dmgmeters people start to get real cranky

TeaLeaf · September 30, 2006, 12:31:31 PM

Quote from: Nefrion;153282Its just that when you mention the word dmgmeters people start to get real cranky

Err, I didn't. And yes you did.

TL.

Gorion · October 01, 2006, 10:04:59 AM

well, ive got a lvl 30 hunter MM spec. and ime getting 498 ish aimed shots.. thats sometimes enough to kill a lvl 29 enemy.. ^_^

Manny · October 01, 2006, 10:12:02 AM

i personally use on long fights, aimed, multi, 2 auto shots rotation.
When i run out of mana i'm mostly doing autoshot + multishots when i have mana. And rapid fire ofcourse.
For short fights arcane, multi, autoshots with rapid fire.

A small trick for mana, grind some demonic runes and whipper root tubers.
You they are on different cooldowns and wont decrease to much hp.

Sandrion · October 01, 2006, 01:18:03 PM

Just wanted to clear up some stuff about aggro and such :g: :

Pulling aggro should only be a problem if either the tank is having trouble building up rage or if your fighting bosses with aggro reducing abilities like Onyxia or Broodlord.

In an unlimited rage situation a protection specced warrior will generate somewhere around 700 threat per second; which means that a hunter with BoS would need to do 700 * 130% / 70% = 1300 DPS to pull aggro of the tank. (I have to admit that the only 'real' unlimited rage fight is Vael; but even on MC trash mobs I see the tanks have a full rage bar at the end of the fight, so it's not entirely unrealistic). As a comparison: a hunter with the best gear that is currently available can get a sustainable DPS of about 500 maximum. So if you give the tank enough aggro time there is no way you're gonna pull aggro. Additionally you have FD, which you can use to prevent pulling aggro.

As an illustration: in an experiment I did some time ago with 'uber aggro' Manny, I discovered that when I tanked a mob the only thing that could get it of me is when he critted for more then +/-1600 damage right after I landed my first blow. After getting 2 mauls it was impossible for him to get it of me even though he didn't even have BoS.

As a hunter you only need to do 3 things really:
1. Respect da aggro time.
2. Stay below 90.1% of the MT's aggro at all times, 130% will pull aggro but it's better to be on the save side (bosses with 'weird' aggro are exceptions ofc). FD when you get to high on the threat list. And get KTM if you don't already have it, it's really usefull when the master target is set.
3. DPS your ass off :biggrin: (without breaking rule 1 and 2).

Hmm, it sounds nearly as boring as healing :narnar: .

To awnser the question about how to do as much DPS as possible:

Multi shot is on a 10 second timer and aimed on a 6 second timer + 3 second cast, so you want to do 10 second cycles otherwise you'll get problems with not being able to do a multishot because you're casting an aimed shot (which you obviously don't want). The trick is, when you do an aimed shot the 'swing timer' keeps running; so you should casting aimed shot right after an auto-shot to maximize DPS, when the aimed shot cast is done your next auto-shot should fire instantly after it as well. Additionally get a slow weapon that matches this cycle as closely as possible, since you want to be able to cast you next aimed shot as soon as possible after those 10 seconds (when selecting a weapon keep in mind that quivers and such increase your attack speed). Hope this is of help to anyone :smile: .