Race Talk

[vobler]

Good work Doorz. Nice to see you are racing the Advanced Solstice now. :yahoo:

[Doorman]

Just put in a few laps time trial at Summit point. Getting there.

[vobler]

Just put in a few laps time trial at Summit point. Getting there.

I just had a race there. I was beaten by a girl. (Judith) :crying:

[vobler]

BTW, I forgot to mention a second place at VIR in the Skip Barber just before joining you at Aston Club yesterday.

I just love the Skippy! :yahoo:

But how people can do 2:10 is a complete mystery. But it does not matter how fast you are. The system sometimes gives you a chance to win and sometimes you are supposed to loose regardless of your rating.
Thats the beauty of this.

[Doorman]

Just had a very good race. Advanced Solstice, 6th, same lap as winner.
A cracking battle between three of us with me as the filling in the sarnie. Talk about pressure! Oh and most important, no collisions or 'offs'

[vobler]

Just had a very good race. Advanced Solstice, 6th, same lap as winner.
A cracking battle between three of us with me as the filling in the sarnie. Talk about pressure! Oh and most important, no collisions or 'offs'

Good job Doors. I see todays number is 3.75.

If you want to prepare for the Skippy here is the setup I am currently using:
Brake bias 58%
Front cold pressure 179kPa (26psi)
Spring perch offset -1
Rear cold pressure 158kPa (23psi)
Rear antirollbar 3

I have found this to be a very stable but still agile setup. Further adjustments are done by adjusting front pressure. That adjusts how it turns in. Less pressure, more turn in, more pressure less turn in.

[Doorman]

Tried it-liked it. Unfortunately I went from 3.94 to 3.86 because, you guessed it, I was run into again. :taz: Multi car pile up at T3, I managed to slow down and was picking my way through the debris when BOSH! So I was not only hit up the bum, I was pushed into someone else's bum, then off the track. You can imagine the points built up there! :angry:  Steering kaput, I reset and only suffered one minor 'off' from then on at the bloody corkscrew . :doh:

[Doorman]

4.47! :woot2::yahoo::yahoo::woot2:

[Doorman]

A nice win Verner. :thumbsup2:

http://members.iracing.com/membersite/member/EventResult.do?&subsessionid=162082&custid=16961

[vobler]

A nice win Verner. :thumbsup2:

http://members.iracing.com/membersite/member/EventResult.do?&subsessionid=162082&custid=16961

It was my most exciting race ever. Me and Robert was bumper to bumper for seven laps. I did all I could to pass but I could not make it stick (safely). Then on the brake in to T1 I was on the inside line, but not beside him. He was braking too late, I quickly got behind him again and as he slid out wide I overtook on the inside on the way out. Like a switchback maneuver. If you see the times after that I managed to go from 24.2's to 23.7's. So I slowly pulled away. I was pushing max and it felt great. I had one time I nearly lost it when I was thinking that this can be my first Skippy win. So this game reads your mind too...

Congrats with the SR Ron. Good job. Now get in the Skippy and sweat a little...

[Romus]

I had my first race this night. Though I felt that I should practice a bit more, I wanted to get the experience of being there among the strangers. After the lights turned to green I started accelerating, as the car ahead of me, but then suddenly it stopped and I had to do the same, but the guy behind me had planned his T1 attack already, so I had my first collision. I was the ham in the burger. Then there was another collision, and I don't know whose fault it was, but those things rarely happen with dMr guys. Overall, my SR climbed from ~2.6 to ~2.7.

[Doorman]

I had my first race this night. Though I felt that I should practice a bit more, I wanted to get the experience of being there among the strangers. After the lights turned to green I started accelerating, as the car ahead of me, but then suddenly it stopped and I had to do the same, but the guy behind me had planned his T1 attack already, so I had my first collision. I was the ham in the burger. Then there was another collision, and I don't know whose fault it was, but those things rarely happen with dMr guys. Overall, my SR climbed from ~2.6 to ~2.7.

You're almost better to let everyone by and avoid the n00bs. Like I said, two clean races and you're home and dry. Apart from that, what did you think of the experience?

[vobler]

I had my first race this night. Though I felt that I should practice a bit more, I wanted to get the experience of being there among the strangers. After the lights turned to green I started accelerating, as the car ahead of me, but then suddenly it stopped and I had to do the same, but the guy behind me had planned his T1 attack already, so I had my first collision. I was the ham in the burger. Then there was another collision, and I don't know whose fault it was, but those things rarely happen with dMr guys. Overall, my SR climbed from ~2.6 to ~2.7.

I have had 62 starts in road cars, mostly races, and I have been lucky. No T1 pilups for me. I have had a few small incidents, but nothing to complain about.

The only advice I can give is stay out of trouble. I read a good post on that earier today.
Let me see if I can find a it on the Iracing Forum.

Here it is the "quote":

Racing Smarts AKA Savvy

There are a lot of ingredients in the recipe for winning races and series championships and all of them are crucial to success. That recipe includes a LARGE dose of racing savvy. You can do all of the right things preparing for the race but if you don’t do the right things during the race most of the time, your chances of winning it are very slim. Most people will preach about patience and after years of seeing it preached but very few people actually grasping the concept, I’ve decided to take a different approach. I’m not going to preach about patience; I’m going to preach about being smart.

First and foremost is to know your limitations and try your absolute hardest to never exceed them. You will, but you must try as hard as you can, not too. How do you know what your limitations are? Here’s an example, If you’re not absolutely positive that you can hold your line as you’re passing someone low going into a corner, you’ve exceeded your limitations. Even if you’ve successfully pulled off the maneuver, you still exceeded your limitations to that point. Every time you exceed your limitations but succeed, you’ll gain confidence until eventually you totally blow it and wipe out ½ the field which inevitably sets your confidence and your reputation way back, kind of like dieting by not eating. You lose weight for a while but put it all right back on because you’re starved. Confidence in racing should come just like everything else that provides true confidence, from your overall success, not individual instances of succeeding by exceeding. However, doing that offline against the AI is great practice.

Next, we need to discuss respect. Remember racing etiquette, if you don’t respect your competition, you’re not going to have much etiquette but even worse than that, you’re not very smart. There are lots of times when you’re going to have to have help from someone else on and off the track to win races. If you don’t respect anyone else in their endeavors to have fun with this, no one will respect or help you. If you think you can win races all on your own and enjoy this at the expense of others always taking and never giving, once again you’re not very smart and/or just plain masochistic. Now that we respect our competitors, and ourselves we can talk about the difference between being smart and being patient. If you’re a patient driver, you’re pretty darn smart. However, while you have to be patient, you also have to be aggressive. You’re a savvy driver when you know when and how to do both. I see lots of fast drivers, lots of very aggressive drivers, a few patient drivers, and very few savvy drivers. Most people rely on their own common sense when it comes to racing smarts but common sense to one person is not always common sense to another especially when it comes to racing online. A savvy driver realizes this and almost always does the smart thing without having to really think about it. Just like after hours of practice, you instinctively do the right thing if you get into the corner a little to hot, your reflexes take over and you deftly maneuver the car back to where you want to be. A savvy this by sizing up the competition. Forget how fast they are in practice. How smooth are they lap after lap? How nervous do they get when you get right on their rear bumper? How well can they hold their line lap after lap? How well can they checkup if you slow a little more than normal going into a corner. How aggressive are they when they want by? Do they move over easily if they can tell you want by or do they run as hard as they can to stay in front of you? All of these things can be found out during practice and if you don’t take the time to do this, you’re not very smart. This is why most pickup races are such a wreck fest; no one knows each other.

Lastly, let’s look at the smart thing to do in specific situations: A driver you don’t know very well gets up to your B pillar on either the inside or the outside going into a corner, back out of it and let them have it. Maybe you know you can hold your line but do you know if they can hold theirs? Sure you can blame them later for not holding their line and causing the accident but that doesn’t get those valuable points back does it? Conversely, a driver you do know that can hold their line in the same situation does this and you know you can hold your line, what do you do? This depends on what’s smart for you based on the overall objective of winning the race. Do you abuse your tires racing him/her through the corner, if you only have 5 laps to go, abuse those tires J If you have 50 to go, the smart thing to do may be to let then have the spot. This is a bit trickier, You’re in a pack of cars and you’re passing on the inside going into a corner with cars right above & behind you. You know you’re going to have to brake more to stay low and keep your line to pull off the pass. Do you go ahead and make that dive and take that chance? Almost never!!!! Why, have you ever heard of follow the leader syndrome? It’s difficult when cars are all stacked up to judge exactly where you’re at. If you brake later and harder than normal, the chances are good the person behind you is going to punt you into the upper deck even if he or she is a good driver. It’s imperative to be as smooth and as consistent as possible when in traffic especially going into the corners. If those around you want to take chances, back out of it and let them. You can wave as you pass low underneath that huge pileup. From the above 3 situations, you should get the idea that anytime you’re not sure what you, your car, or the other person is going to or can do, the smart thing for you is to be conservative or patient if you prefer to use that term. It doesn’t matter where you are at or where they are at on the track and how anyone else drives. There’s no rule that says you should be here or they should be there on any part of the track except during pace and caution laps. Regardless of what anyone else says, there is also no RULE that says anyone has to do anything on a racetrack except of course what’s mandated in the sim or by the league. Don’t ever assume anything. If you have to assume around drivers you don’t know on a racetrack, you’re exceeding your capabilities and even if it’s totally the other person’s fault when you get into a wreck, who’s really to blame if you ASSUMED they’d hold their line? You are!!! To drive this point home, say you’re leading the race and coming up on a lapped car really quickly going into the corner and you really don’t know this person, lets also say league rules state that lapped cars must let the leaders pass on the inside so you immediately move to the inside, go to pass and this person cuts right down in front of you and takes you both out causing you engine damage. Well, I hate to tell you this but you’re an idiot. You assumed this person read the rules and you also assumed that he saw you coming up on him 25 mph faster. Sure he was at fault but you don’t get your 185 points back for leading the most laps and winning the race. This is why I think a lot of people confuse patience with racing smarts. You can be as patient as a saint but if you expect or assume people you’re not sure of are going to do something, you’re just not very smart. Hmmm, this sounds a lot like defensive driving school. By gosh it is J Now the paradox, this is racing and if we drive patiently the whole race we’re probably not going to win. We have to drive agressively and take at some point in time but we have to be smart about it. The aboslute best way to do this is to do your homework and know the competition. Remember what we did in practice? We did some things to size up the other drivers. Take advantage full of that. Any time you can take and you’re almost positive that other person can and will do their part. Take! If you’re not sure of a person during a race, you have to take the time to size them up then. If you don’t have that time because you’re being pressured from behind, do what’s smart for you and your overall goals. Take the risk of passing or let the guy pressuring you from behind by and see what he can do with the guy in front. Do whatever is smart for you. If you take the risk of pushing a pass and the guy in front can’t handle it, he may be to blame but your decision wasn’t very smart. What it all boils down to is pretty simple, be aggressive when you know you can and be patient when you’re not sure. Even when we’ve done our homework and we’re certain that we can pass a driver that will give us room and either of us screws up, that’s not stupid, that’s truly one of “those racing deals” and it happens to all of us. Laslty, don’t play headgames with yourself. Don’t use warp or justify to yourself that you were sure you could get by and both of you would hold your line when you really weren’t sure of the other driver or your own ability at all.

Again, the above is a draft and needs to be proofed. One other thing I'm going to add to this is more on blame. Blame is irrelevant, blame is a lost cause and worthless, blame is not worth your time or anyone elses. Also, I'm adding a section on common courtesy. It's not a rule but it's common courtesy that if a driver gets upto your door handle on inside to give them room. If the inside driver does not get to the door handle, he should back out and expect the other guy to cut down. If you're a lapped car and the leaders get upto your door handle on the outside, it's common courtesy for you to backout and give them the low line at apex. Having said that, if you don't know what the other guy is going to do, it's always correct to be patient and backout, if you're aggresive and the other guy can't handle it by not doing the proper thing or holding his line, you can BLAME all you want but who really gives a poop? Be smart and be savvy by never having to blame anyone because of you getting caught up in thier mistakes

Bob Stanley

[Doorman]

Good read.

[Romus]

Yes a very good read.

If the inside driver does not get to the door handle, he should back out and expect the other guy to cut down. If you're a lapped car and the leaders get upto your door handle on the outside, it's common courtesy for you to backout and give them the low line at apex. Having said that, if you don't know what the other guy is going to do, it's always correct to be patient and backout, if you're aggresive and the other guy can't handle it by not doing the proper thing or holding his line, you can BLAME all you want but who really gives a poop?

This was what happened in my second accident last night. I was already going for the apex but he hit my door. I did not blame anybody, I just knew that it would have not happened with guys I know and who know me. With strangers it would have been wise to be more patient. Then another thing that I realized only this morning: I was being lapped without understanding it, because I did not get blue flags! Why I was being lapped was because of the crash in the start line. I took a short breathing break after that and joined the race after other guys had done one lap already.

Overall experience was still ok. Most of the guys tried to be careful, though I saw from the stats that many of them had a few minor incidents. No one was very fast. Netcode of the iRacing seems good, cars are not jumping at all, it feels like I was driving a LAN race.