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Doorman

But how often would you get to race on them? :g:










     

vobler

Quote from: Doorman;298852But how often would you get to race on them? :g:

Well as you know they are on different schedules for different series but I understand your point. But isn't that the nature of any sim? Not all tracks is used in all series. But if you look in all series not many tracks are left unused.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/790534/TrackChart%202009S4.pdf
I would certanly not prefere to have less tracks just to be able to use them more often.

But for you my friend they have Hosted racing now, so you can pick almost any car and track at anytime. (currently some restrictions exist due to server capacity)
Create a practice or race session and invite your friends. Set up the rules, use passwords etc. It's like running a server. Sadly it costs $3 per 4 hour session. But 15 people chipping in could have us running Hosted sessions 5 nights a week for 50 weeks for $50 per racer.

Not cheap I know but renting a server like a LFS server will cost some money too. I would think about $10 per racer a year. Chat servers are additional here but included in iRacing.

I would love to pay for a small test league in iRacing over a few weeks using some of the slowest cars and most used tracks, just to get a feel for how it would work. We would need a few guys to do it though.

Possibly something like
Solstice
SRF
Skippy
Jetta

at
Lime Rock
Summit
Vir
Infineon

That would let most people in without having to invest much in cars and tracks.
One 4 hour practice one night and one race night a week. 4 weeks.

That would cost me $24 for that month. I can live with that. All driving is of course free. (You just need an iRacing subscription.)

Anyone interested?

Gnomie

Quote from: vobler;298861Well as you know they are on different schedules for different series but I understand your point. But isn't that the nature of any sim? Not all tracks is used in all series. But if you look in all series not many tracks are left unused.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/790534/TrackChart%202009S4.pdf
I would certanly not prefere to have less tracks just to be able to use them more often.
That's a nice chart, thanks. Looks like us roadies don't have much to complain about compared to the oval guys!

When all the announced road courses are released there will be 16 of them (not counting the ones included in the basic subscription). That's a pretty decent number actually, and the quality is (as we all know) way ahead of anything else out there.

About the iRacing hosted league idea Verner, I won't be up for that yet since I'll be moving soon.. but next summer I intend to rejoin iRacing! Then we'll see what happens. :)

The Moose

Quote from: vobler;298861Anyone interested?

 Sorry.  I may be re subbing soon, but the cars/tracks you've chosen are of no interest to me.  (Well, i love the Skippy but have no interest in the others)

 If i never drove Lime Rock or Summit point again it would be too soon :narnar:

That was one of the reasons i got bored of iRacing so soon....  same old tracks over and over, no imagination in the schedules at all from season to season.

 Has that changed?  Do they mix the tracks up a bit from season to season now?


Gnomie

Stu, the biggest change seems to be that the Skippy now uses seven tracks which are not included in the basic package. All the other road racing series use nearly all the nine tracks. Before, the Skippy series was a sort of gentle introduction, where you'd only have to buy a couple of tracks. Now, for new members who want to participate in all twelve weeks of a season it would make sense to get all the tracks at once. I can see why some would find that a bit daunting, even with the new reduced prices and stuff. :g:

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That's why I think iRacing would benefit from handing out the discounts at the end of the year.. so you'd pay the full price for all the content as you go, knowing that you'd get a 20% payback at the end of the year if you buy more than 6 items during the year)
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The Moose

Quote from: Gnomie;298870Stu, the biggest change seems to be that the Skippy now uses seven tracks which are not included in the basic package.

 Great, that's more like it!


Gnomie

Yeah I think it's great news. That car definitely deserves to be run at the best tracks!! :)

Romus

Quote from: vobler;298861I would love to pay for a small test league in iRacing over a few weeks using some of the slowest cars and most used tracks, just to get a feel for how it would work. We would need a few guys to do it though.

Possibly something like
Solstice
SRF
Skippy
Jetta

at
Lime Rock
Summit
Vir
Infineon

That would let most people in without having to invest much in cars and tracks.
One 4 hour practice one night and one race night a week. 4 weeks.

That would cost me $24 for that month. I can live with that. All driving is of course free. (You just need an iRacing subscription.)

Anyone interested?

I'm interested. Let me know if you make that happen.

vobler

Quote from: The Moose;298867Sorry.  I may be re subbing soon, but the cars/tracks you've chosen are of no interest to me.  (Well, i love the Skippy but have no interest in the others)

The tracks and cars was suggested  to attract those that does not have much content yet. I assumed that only Doors/Gnomie had much content beyond the basic package, I didn't know you had bought everything.

Anyway I think the Dallara, DP and C6R is too much to handle for new people even with some sim experience. But I agree, those tracks are a bit boring.

The Moose

Quote from: vobler;298874The tracks and cars was suggested  to attract those that does not have much content yet.

 Yeah, i understand what were doing there.

Quote from: vobler;298874I assumed that only Doors/Gnomie had much content beyond the basic package, I didn't know you had bought everything.

 I have a nice little track collection.    I kept buying tracks for the 24hours of fun races, just so i could get away from the basic content. :)  Crazy really as all i ever got out of them was...well, 24 hours of fun...never to be raced again.

Quote from: vobler;298874Anyway I think the Dallara, DP and C6R is too much to handle for new people even with some sim experience.

 The C6R is definitely a bit tricky for everyone, but i personally think it's because the tyre physics are flawed, though it could just be because the FFB is horrible with that car, power steering in iRacing feels awful..it gives you very little..err, feedback.  I cant feel what the tyres are doing at all, no matter what FFB strength i use.  I find driving on the limit with that car is pure guesswork.

 I really don't think the Dallara is hard to drive at all.  Tricky to drive it right on the limit for sure, but it's easy to get around the track without throwing it off.  Far easier than the Skippy or the SRF for instance.
 I cant think of one thing about the Dallara that i don't like. It's the best single seater in sim racing!


Gnomie

Stuart, it would be pretty awesome to see how you'd fare against the "top guns" in iRacing. I know a lot of them run the Dallara too! You pretty much dominate everything in nKP, but maybe you'd find more competition in in iRacing..? :)

Katsushika Matsumoto

I love to get in on some iracing action again, unfortunately I only have the basic content atm and I would need to resub first (which I can't do right now due to the credit crunch :crying:).

The Moose

Quote from: Gnomie;298881Stuart, it would be pretty awesome to see how you'd fare against the "top guns" in iRacing. I know a lot of them run the Dallara too! You pretty much dominate everything in nKP, but maybe you'd find more competition in in iRacing..? :)


From my last experience in iRacing i can safely say I'm a top 5%er.   I'll never beat the Towlers/Volker's/Huttu's of this world but i held my own against what i call the semi-aliens, Andre Gomes, Florien Goddard (sp?) etc.

 I could always get myself on the first page of the top times,and as long as i could avoid getting taken out i usually finished on the podium in races.  That's good enough for me :)

 If they change the car used in the pro series next time to a single seater then i really would be more motivated to give iRacing another go, as i have no doubt i can qualify for it and do fairly well.  

 Having said that i found the whole iRacing experience rather tedious last time.  Even though i was doing well at it there's something about it (that i just cant put my finger on) that didn't excite me in the slightest.  Never have i got so bored of a good sim so quickly.


Gnomie

Well with the fast track system in place you'd be Pro within no time at all, so that shouldn't be a problem any more. But yeah, it seems nobody really likes to drive the DP! Volker, for instance, stays away from the pro series just because he can't stand the car!

BTW I took a look at the laptimes for the Star Mazda around Silverstone, and it seems to perform very similar to the F2000. Have you tried the Star Mazda in iRacing? How does it compare in terms of feel? :g:

I think it's probably more likely that they'll use the Dallara in the Pro series than the Star Mazda, though. But I don't see them moving away from the DP any time soon!

vobler